Apply streak treatment to vigor?

Amdar_Godkiller · March 2018

No nerf

Not only does it not need a nerf, the "echoing" morph needs a buff. I think the echoing morph should apply some kind of minor sustain buff and remove one status effect, since stam builds have no minor staminasteal to use a crutch, nor do they have an efficient means of purging.

I can out-heal vigor on my STAMINA warden using the magicka morph of spores combined with corrupting pollen. Vigor has already received enough nerfs, and with the defile meta currently OP, I'd argue that non-classed based healing needs to be buffed across the board for both stam and magicka.

Vapirko · March 2018

No nerf

Anyone who thinks vigor is exiling healers is just wrong. If vigor is nerfed it will be the end of solo play.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Not only does it not need a nerf, the "echoing" morph needs a buff. I think the echoing morph should apply some kind of minor sustain buff and remove one status effect, since stam builds have no minor staminasteal to use a crutch, nor do they have an efficient means of purging.

I can out-heal vigor on my STAMINA warden using the magicka morph of spores combined with corrupting pollen. Vigor has already received enough nerfs, and with the defile meta currently OP, I'd argue that non-classed based healing needs to be buffed across the board for both stam and magicka.

I more than see your point in pvp...but I'm talking more generally than that- but yeah - everyone seems to agree with you- and fair enough.

QuebraRegra · March 2018

No nerf

ValkynSketha wrote: »

WTF

most legit response I've seen here

Vapirko · March 2018

No nerf

Anyone who thinks vigor is exiling healers is just wrong. If vigor is nerfed it will be the end of solo play. And here’s why having a cost increase on vigor is stupid. Vigor doesn’t do anything extra when spammed. There’s no burst on it. So spamming vigor only wastes resources.

wsmith97ub17_ESO · March 2018

No nerf

The votes are in, the op has no merit.

gepe87 · March 2018

No nerf

I rather see a Streak treatment on Cloak (not 50, but 25%).

Feanor · March 2018

It‘s funny you can anticipate the thread responses just by reading the title.

„L2P“
„Stop those stupid nerfs“
„Don’t Touch muh healz“

And best of all

„Sorc OP nerf plox“

Sanctum74 · March 2018

No nerf

We have game breaking bugs and performance issues, we have poisons, we have earthgore and zaan, but yet somehow vigor is op after it was already nerfed 2 patches ago! Silly post.

Amdar_Godkiller · March 2018

No nerf

Feanor wrote: »

It‘s funny you can anticipate the thread responses just by reading the title.

„L2P“
„Stop those stupid nerfs“
„Don’t Touch muh healz“

And best of all

„Sorc OP nerf plox“

Not to mention the inevitable "guy who mains a sorc fails to hide his persecution complex behind a veil of sarcasm" reply.

idk · March 2018

No nerf

It’s a dot and all of us are permitted to be able to heal ourselves regardless of our builds. It’s why each and every class has some sort of heal.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

I put a No Nerf option for a reason. *Edited to add, I even put no nerf as first option as to prevent accidental results due to other options being first.

Calm down.

I wanted to get a real idea of where the community stands.

If I was trying to bias things I wouldn't have.

Please just drop your vote - no insults needed.

It's fine with me either way - I am not all butthurt if people disagree.

So why are you?

Calm down, drop your vote and move along.

No need to be rude!

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Sixty5 · March 2018

No nerf

I will point out that Vigor is a heal over time, and that it's duration is about as long as the cooldown on streak.

All recasting Vigor does is refresh the heal, while you pay the full cost.

Spamming it is already inefficient, it doesn't need more nerfs on top of that.

Vapirko · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

Bros. Calm thy tittenbooben.
I put a No Nerf option for a reason. *Edited to add, I even put no nerf as first option as to prevent accidental results due to other options being first.

Calm down.

I wanted to get a real idea of where the community stands.

If I was trying to bias things I wouldn't have.

Please just drop your vote - no insults needed.

It's fine with me either way - I am not all butthurt if people disagree.

So why are you?

Calm down, drop your vote and move along.

No need to be rude!

Well it’s just fairly misinformed to ask for the streak treatment to be given to vigor. And these threads can be dangerous because ZOS tends to nerf a lot of things that don’t need to be based on how loud peoooe cry about it. I’m sure there’s a lot of people who get trashed by solo players that might lock into the idea that vigor is indeed OP.

Eirella · March 2018

No nerf

Wtf

MasterSpatula · March 2018

No nerf

This isn't a bad idea; it's a terrible idea.

Dymence · March 2018

No nerf

Maybe we should apply streak treatment on healing springs, mutagen and breath of life aswell then?

It's not an escape mechanic. Why does it need to be treated as one? Streak has increased cost on every subsequent cast, and so does dodgeroll. I don't think we need more of these. Especially not on healing.

TequilaFire · March 2018

No nerf

Not everyone runs around with a pocket healer. smh
Vigor's tick is so slow coldfire's first tick beats it.
If any thing Vigor needs some love.

Kuramas9tails · March 2018

No nerf

As a magic player and a healer, no.

Voxicity · March 2018

No nerf

Vigor is a DoT. Refreshing it before the DoT is over has no benefit. So it's not spammable like streak. So no.

starkerealm · March 2018

No nerf

Elsterchen wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Buff stamblade, stam dk and stamplar heals then?

Just interested, may I ask which "stamplar-heal" you refer to?

I main a stamplar I must have missed such an ability completely during the last years!

It was a joke, right?

Stamplars should have some heals in a post Warden world. I was having to explain this to someone last night, that, "no, really, if you want to make a stam healer, the Warden is the only class that really supports the idea."

NyassaV · March 2018

No nerf

This is literally funny

starkerealm · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Decrease the amount healed but also decrease the cost proportionally. I wouldn't call it a nerf though, more a re-balancing.

Ok I can see that. That seems fair.

It's just a non heal class healed to full health in 3 taps is a bit over the top.

Three taps? One tap if you spec right... I agree that for PvP, defile is the counter, but there are threads on this board asking for a defile nerf. Both sides should meet in the middle and not have ZoS sledgehammer the two....

And you rather make my point.

How should an Off heal thing be a one tap to full health?

You argue for no balance but you basically outline why it should be!

Over five seconds. You've got time to catch up and turn them into chunky salsa if you keep the pressure on.

It's the same thing a lot of classes do have, by the way. Yeah, Dark Deal/Conversion isn't the best anymore, but that's health AND resources. Green Dragon Blood is a shadow of its former self, but that's still more than a little significant. Templars have Templar things, including saying, "screw it," and slotting BoL on their stam build for PvP. Wardens have, you know, two options including a major ultimate heal. Nightblades do not have a click heal outside of going OoC for Momentum, or something that requires dealing damage, like Leeching.

starkerealm · March 2018

No nerf

Vapirko wrote: »

Anyone who thinks vigor is exiling healers is just wrong. If vigor is nerfed it will be the end of solo play.

There's always Rally, but, yeah, you're not completely wrong there.

Thogard · March 2018

No nerf

I have my pitchfork and my torch. Can we go to dinner at denny’s after we finish at OP’s house?

Thogard · March 2018

No nerf

JobooAGS wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

I am 100% talking about stacking vigor.

Is there a language I could write this in that could make that any clearer? I'd be happy to get someone to translate if need be. ❤️

You do realize that 1 person cannot stack vigor on themselves? As soon as you recast it, the duration just resets, no extra heals, in fact per resource point, you lose potential heals/stam by recasting it early. If vigor gets a streak treatment, then so should all shields and all other heals that arent in the resto tree

OP: are you saying that if person A has a vigor on themselves, and then person B casts vigor on person A simultaneously, you want to reduce the value that person B’s vigor heals person A for while leaving the value of person A’s own vigor alone?

Katahdin · March 2018

No nerf

Anyone that thinks vigor is invalidating healers sounds like a bad healer that has their panties in a twist because a stam character had to save themselves in a dungeon because of bad healing.

Solariken · March 2018

No nerf

Vigor is mostly fine as it stands, but a problem does exist in the scaling. It's kinda silly that when you stack weapon damage/stamina to the moon you get huge damage AND huge healing. This is insane game design - you should have to make a choice for stacking damage OR healing power (or a mixture of both). The 2-for-1 deal you get in ESO is just irresponsible design.

Nihility42 · March 2018

No nerf

So you're a healer salty that Vigor makes you feel useless? I'm honestly having a hard time following your arguments. They're all over the place and seem to bely a lack of understanding of how vigor even works. Streak treatment wouldn't change anything because you can't spam vigor anyway. Then you say this is about vigor stack? So you don't want vigor ticks from multiple players to stack? Maybe make that the basis of your argument then? None of your posts oiutside of the one have focused on this. And without vigor, how do you expect stam characters to be able to do anything solo?

Wrubius_Coronaria · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.

Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.

I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.

From my experience, I've never seen anybody heal to full health (with how much health missing?) with vigor only and instantly. It's just a heal over time, with an expansive cost. It require to be used carefully and not spammed without thinking.

But aside your "feelings" about how vigor is supposed to be op, what are your real arguments for justify a nerf?

Nerfing this skill would be a disaster for severals classes based on stamina, without good self heals. And big kick for solo players in pvp among many others things.