Apply streak treatment to vigor?

Mureel · March 2018

There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal.

I think it needs streak treatment applied.

I'm not saying I don't love vigor as it stands, I do!

But still, it's too strong- to the point of invalidating healer roles.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · March 2018

No nerf

...It's the only reasonable heal some classes can get, (ie. NB's)

ganzaeso · March 2018

No nerf

It is one of the primary stamina healer abilities. There is nothing wrong with it.

VaranisArano · March 2018

No nerf

Hi, I'm a stam character in solo Vet Maelstrom, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden.

Hi, I'm a stam character playing solo/small group in PVP, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden or requiring a healer in my group.

Sure, most PVE group content doesn't require a stamina heal like Vigor. I'll also grant that most PVE overland questing content doesn't require Vigor. But for PVP and VMA, both of those are places where a stamina build should be able to heal themself without relying on a healer or playing the few classes that do have reliable and powerful stam self-heals.

Tasear · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

I could say I am being reasonable and such issues are exiling healers from end game. This true. Though really my feelings are more is blot escape cost too much and you can run same distance in that time.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

...It's the only reasonable heal some classes can get, (ie. NB's)

Except it's too strong imo. I didn't say remove it, I said limit it so it's not spammable.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

VaranisArano wrote: »

Hi, I'm a stam character in solo Vet Maelstrom, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden.

Hi, I'm a stam character playing solo/small group in PVP, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden or requiring a healer in my group.

Sure, most PVE group content doesn't require a stamina heal like Vigor. I'll also grant that most PVE overland questing content doesn't require Vigor. But for PVP and VMA, both of those are places where a stamina build should be able to heal themself without relying on a healer or playing the few classes that do have reliable and powerful stam self-heals.

Still, too spammable. It's healing harder and taking less resources than it should.

I'm not saying remove it- I'm saying uncrutchify it.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

...It's the only reasonable heal some classes can get, (ie. NB's)

That's the point though- it's OP and *not* reasonable.

Again, not asking for remove it or super nerf - just a balance.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

Honestly I knew that Nerf Club would never see this fairly or in any truthful way - but I can dream lol.

It's OP as F, and if you really cannot see that...

There has to be some balance between best dps and this heal - but there isn't.

Vizikul · March 2018

it's a heal over time, there is no point in spamming it as it will only refresh the duration without giving you any extra healing. The healing radius is also like 5 meters. So no, it's not a spamable skill and it doesn't exclude legit healers in any way.

Leandor · March 2018

Oh, great idea. Make a 5 second HoT cost increase if you cast it before duration ends...

Someone has the confused looking guy to post?

umagon · March 2018

Vigor and health potions are the only healing a stamina tankblade has. Vigor’s heal was already lowered by 30% reducing the healing effectiveness even farther is not necessary. If people are having issues with another player’s healing output then they should utilize defile in their build.

greylox · March 2018

No nerf

Lol what? ....nope, lost for words.

KramUzibra · March 2018

No nerf

Apply Major defile to sheilds

JobooAGS · March 2018

No nerf

Buff stamblade, stam dk and stamplar heals then?

The_Brosteen · March 2018

No nerf

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

Asardes · March 2018

Other nerf

Decrease the amount healed but also decrease the cost proportionally. I wouldn't call it a nerf though, more a re-balancing.

Artjuh90 · March 2018

No nerf

if you do that you should treat all healing spells and shields on the same way. cause they have the same purpose

Tan9oSuccka · March 2018

No nerf

LOL. No.

Beardimus · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

Love this idea, fair is fair. Sorcs have a pony heal in Conversion and their mobility is costly spammed.

The Stamina boys gunna.hate on you tho

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

Asardes wrote: »

Decrease the amount healed but also decrease the cost proportionally. I wouldn't call it a nerf though, more a re-balancing.

Ok I can see that. That seems fair.

It's just a non heal class healed to full health in 3 taps is a bit over the top.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if you do that you should treat all healing spells and shields on the same way. cause they have the same purpose

Well then give all classes 3 damage trees and 1x heal with a Mag and Stam morph!

You're not seeing that there are classes with 1/3 skills devoted only to heals.

Artjuh90 · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Decrease the amount healed but also decrease the cost proportionally. I wouldn't call it a nerf though, more a re-balancing.

Ok I can see that. That seems fair.

It's just a non heal class healed to full health in 3 taps is a bit over the top.

yet a magica sorc should be a glass canon with the best damage mitgation and that ok

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

You assume incorrectly.

*Everyone* can kill me in PVP xD

I simply think vigor is OP - no matter how much I personally am grateful for it at times.

Apache_Kid · March 2018

No nerf

Alright we can talk about this when we add the same treatment to all shields.

I mean who could possibly think that vigor needs a nerf? The only way I could see this is if you have never played stamina characters like ever. It's a heal over time. Doing this would make maelstrom infinitely more difficult for stam builds.

This has to be a troll post. I'm mad at myself for even giving it this small amount of time.

Mureel · March 2018

Streak treatment on vigor

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

I am 100% talking about stacking vigor.

Is there a language I could write this in that could make that any clearer? I'd be happy to get someone to translate if need be. ❤️

josiahva · March 2018

No nerf

So let me get this straight...you want to nerf an ability because it doesnt fit your idea of gameplay? In PvE the only time I slot Vigor is when I am running with an unknown group and cant trust the healer to keep me healed. Vigor is one of the few stamina heals in the game not tied to a particular weapon(maybe the only one)

Wreuntzylla · March 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Decrease the amount healed but also decrease the cost proportionally. I wouldn't call it a nerf though, more a re-balancing.

Ok I can see that. That seems fair.

It's just a non heal class healed to full health in 3 taps is a bit over the top.

Three taps? One tap if you spec right... I agree that for PvP, defile is the counter, but there are threads on this board asking for a defile nerf. Both sides should meet in the middle and not have ZoS sledgehammer the two....

TarrNokk · March 2018

Mureel wrote: »

There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal.

I think it needs streak treatment applied.

I'm not saying I don't love vigor as it stands, I do!

But still, it's too strong- to the point of invalidating healer roles.

L2p and stop asking for stupid nerfs

starkerealm · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

You assume incorrectly.

*Everyone* can kill me in PVP xD

I simply think vigor is OP - no matter how much I personally am grateful for it at times.

Well, if you're relying on Vigor to keep you alive, no wonder you're annoyed with it. But, yeah, as others have pointed out, Vigor isn't spammable as it exists now. Sure, you can double or triple cast it, but that does nothing except extend the duration.

JobooAGS · March 2018

No nerf

Mureel wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Assuming this is about pvp.

Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"

Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.

Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.

What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!

I am 100% talking about stacking vigor.

Is there a language I could write this in that could make that any clearer? I'd be happy to get someone to translate if need be. ❤️

You do realize that 1 person cannot stack vigor on themselves? As soon as you recast it, the duration just resets, no extra heals, in fact per resource point, you lose potential heals/stam by recasting it early. If vigor gets a streak treatment, then so should all shields and all other heals that arent in the resto tree

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