Proc sets are cancer. Troll king, Earthgore, Skoria, Zaan etc etc.

Anything that is "casting" spells and abilities, some of them comparable to ultimates without you pressing any buttons, spending any global cooldowns, setting up any combos or otherwise even thinking about them is straight up cheese.

If ever there was a point of no return and no hope for PvP balance it was when they introduced proc sets.

We've got Stamdens circling rocks in fury while a horde of potatoes is unknowingly turning them into a 7k weapon damage god of dawnbreaker.

We've got Skoria Magblades/DKs spamming resto/corrosive ults on cooldown because they dont even need a *** damage ult. A meteor drops every 10 seconds for free.

We've got gankblades who never actually fight, they just alchemst ambush incap selene proc scrubs all day.

We've got permablocking magplars in the back mindlessly keeping their group of potatoes afloat with BoL, but when your outnumbered group takes a beating targeting them down, their earthgore procs and all hopes are lost.

The game could have been great, the combat system is like none other, yet this is what the game is now.

It's a bit stupid tbh.

The dmg goes through block right? Highest final tick i hit a magplar for in a duel with 6k~ it showed 24k on his recap.

Zos confuse me, they have to nerf proc sets twice in back to back patches because they was OP i pvp, then they decide lets introduce more.

Are there set designers so useless that they can't introduce sets other that random proc chance dmg sets? Just bring rng free proc dmg into the game, honestly.


Don't know about you but i've been running around with zaan on my stam warden, when it procs on something like a mag dk they quickly get melted. May try it on a magplar next.

Then again i've been back about 2 weeks and i'm already just about done with the game again. Still a laggy buggy mess, game performance seemed to have got worse, again. Seems like another patch of break more things than fix.

Most of cyrodiil seem to be magplars on my server, haven't had a fight in a week where there wasn't atleast 1 magplar in it. Usually more than one all with 25k-35k hp running sets like wizards, the healing monster set, reactive.

FInal fight today i was in a group of 6, we all had to switch to heavy builds in order to not get immediately melted by zergs and snipes and such. In a tower in a keep, a group of like 15-20 comes and we hold them second floor. I counted 8 different magplars in the group all of which had 25k+ hp. Their hp wasn't moving.

So we built ults and just survived until the dk dropped a standard for major defile + had the new monster set that has minor defile + had around 30 into befoul. Then we dropped all ults.

The groups hp barely moved. Straight back to full.


I'm just gonna go back to fornite, i look forward to fortnite patches.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

But you can boost zaan damage via concussion(8%), penetration(this just counters opponents mitigation but still impacts the damage they receive), major/minor berserk(25/8%), exploiter(10%), and the unique damage done buff from incap(20%).

Now, with spinners and infused+sharpened dw with berserker/shock glyphs and an infused crusher back bar on a mageblade you’ve got access to 20k+ penetration, 46% damage buff(71 with reapers mark, but that’s a crazy low uptime).

This more than overpowers your theoretical 30% mitigation against zaan and gives higher damage than you’re suggesting

You can add the dunmer passive (+7%) and the bonus vs vampires (+25%) to the list of things that increase the dmg from Zaan. It can reach crazy high numbers.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

But you can boost zaan damage via concussion(8%), penetration(this just counters opponents mitigation but still impacts the damage they receive), major/minor berserk(25/8%), exploiter(10%), and the unique damage done buff from incap(20%).

Now, with spinners and infused+sharpened dw with berserker/shock glyphs and an infused crusher back bar on a mageblade you’ve got access to 20k+ penetration, 46% damage buff(71 with reapers mark, but that’s a crazy low uptime).

This more than overpowers your theoretical 30% mitigation against zaan and gives higher damage than you’re suggesting

Sure, you can do that, but I can also say that I have 50k spell resist, while playing a Dunmer, with major and minor protection.

I was just using those numbers as a reasonable baseline for what Zaan damage is realistically like.

And it still doesn't change the fact that if you have that level of damage amplification, you don't need Zaan to kill someone.
If you are slapping someone with 20k penetration and 71% damage amplification, incap, assassins will and killers blade is going to leave them dead much faster than Zaan will.

4k Incap (was even a crit!). That's not the dmg you get when building for full dmg.
23k zaan dmg over 3 ticks. Luckily procs don't require you to build for full dmg ...

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

PvP players are talking nonsense about stuff they know exactly nothing about (PvE). I have zero respect towards PvP players who don't give a single *** about ruining PvE balance as long as they can still take on 15 people at the same time by themselves and not die. Ridiculous.

Fixed that for you...

zaan is way stronger than other sets. Like way stronger. Few lags and snares and it does more than 10 k damages while other set do much less.

It overperforms big time

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Blobs is running Zaan with 5 wizards front bar 5 lich back bar on a mageblade. The entire premise of the build is building as much sustain and survival as possible while relying on Zaan for burst.

Lots of people don't like the guy but I think it's pretty well known that he's good at PvP.

Soon the fights will be survive, wait for Zaan to proc , stick to your opponent

Thats not something fun

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

I see a lot of merit in both sides. I kinda wish the 1pc was max magic though. On a stamblade who is marked, they have little to no chance against zaans. To stamina builds it can be fairly deadly which presents and interesting issue. Yes I think it is fine but I also see a few cases where it is not fine and needs some fine tuning

That’s all I’m trying to say, tone down the outlier situations and fix the LoS bug.

Sixty5 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

But you can boost zaan damage via concussion(8%), penetration(this just counters opponents mitigation but still impacts the damage they receive), major/minor berserk(25/8%), exploiter(10%), and the unique damage done buff from incap(20%).

Now, with spinners and infused+sharpened dw with berserker/shock glyphs and an infused crusher back bar on a mageblade you’ve got access to 20k+ penetration, 46% damage buff(71 with reapers mark, but that’s a crazy low uptime).

This more than overpowers your theoretical 30% mitigation against zaan and gives higher damage than you’re suggesting

Sure, you can do that, but I can also say that I have 50k spell resist, while playing a Dunmer, with major and minor protection.

I was just using those numbers as a reasonable baseline for what Zaan damage is realistically like.

And it still doesn't change the fact that if you have that level of damage amplification, you don't need Zaan to kill someone.
If you are slapping someone with 20k penetration and 71% damage amplification, incap, assassins will and killers blade is going to leave them dead much faster than Zaan will.

To answer your last paragraph, that’s only true if you’re stacking other damage. With zaan you can get those things on a 28k hp NB that just stacks heavy sustajn. On a build like that, 46% damage increase is almost irrelevant because you’re not running a ton of max magika or spell damage, instead you’re relying on a (relatively)small amount of skill damage and the proc set that you’ve built around delivering enough concurrent damage to be lethal. It’s also not realistic to get the incap damage bonus on an incap do it only benefits the back half of your combo, which is where zaan shines

You are still running Spinners and dual swords in that situation, so you are still dedicating a good portion of your gear allocation to damage.

And then you are still relying on a combo to kill someone, but you need to get to get Zaan to proc to actually deal enough damage to secure the kill.
Your entire lethal potential is dependent on something that can

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

I see a lot of merit in both sides. I kinda wish the 1pc was max magic though. On a stamblade who is marked, they have little to no chance against zaans. To stamina builds it can be fairly deadly which presents and interesting issue. Yes I think it is fine but I also see a few cases where it is not fine and needs some fine tuning

That’s all I’m trying to say, tone down the outlier situations and fix the LoS bug.

Sixty5 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

But you can boost zaan damage via concussion(8%), penetration(this just counters opponents mitigation but still impacts the damage they receive), major/minor berserk(25/8%), exploiter(10%), and the unique damage done buff from incap(20%).

Now, with spinners and infused+sharpened dw with berserker/shock glyphs and an infused crusher back bar on a mageblade you’ve got access to 20k+ penetration, 46% damage buff(71 with reapers mark, but that’s a crazy low uptime).

This more than overpowers your theoretical 30% mitigation against zaan and gives higher damage than you’re suggesting

Sure, you can do that, but I can also say that I have 50k spell resist, while playing a Dunmer, with major and minor protection.

I was just using those numbers as a reasonable baseline for what Zaan damage is realistically like.

And it still doesn't change the fact that if you have that level of damage amplification, you don't need Zaan to kill someone.
If you are slapping someone with 20k penetration and 71% damage amplification, incap, assassins will and killers blade is going to leave them dead much faster than Zaan will.

To answer your last paragraph, that’s only true if you’re stacking other damage. With zaan you can get those things on a 28k hp NB that just stacks heavy sustajn. On a build like that, 46% damage increase is almost irrelevant because you’re not running a ton of max magika or spell damage, instead you’re relying on a (relatively)small amount of skill damage and the proc set that you’ve built around delivering enough concurrent damage to be lethal. It’s also not realistic to get the incap damage bonus on an incap do it only benefits the back half of your combo, which is where zaan shines

You are still running Spinners and dual swords in that situation, so you are still dedicating a good portion of your gear allocation to damage.

And then you are still relying on a combo to kill someone, but you need to get to get Zaan to proc to actually deal enough damage to secure the kill.
Your entire lethal potential is dependent on something that can be denied, and with limited control on behalf of the wearer.

You can't just slap Zaan onto a build and have it put in massive amounts of work like you van with Selenes, Skoria, Troll King and Bloodspawn. You actually have to make concessions elsewhere in your build to make it work.

Please enlighten us as to what concessions you have to make in a build for zaan to work?

Aren't most players weaving light/heavy attacks in between skills anyway? So what they might have to weave two light attacks instead to make sure they get a crit for a proc!

Wow that sure is a big concession to make for so much free damage!

The damage isn't going to kill anyone on its own unless you stack up amps from gear and skills.

The proc also has distinct counterplay that you need to work around, meaning that you need a way to keep a target next to you

I dropped bloodspawn for Zaan on my stam sorc and it didn't perform nearly as well, simply because without immobilisations or tools to buff the damage of the proc the set is mediocre.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

I've tested it and in all honesty it's not worthy to be run in any PVP scenario, the proc chance is very low. On my mDK I switched back to Skoria.

@SpiderCultist Yeah? You are sounding like the guy I dueled in Grahtwood yesterday. Lol. Bro was sounding so damn let down by those duels we had, and was just sounding distraught in the chat.

And by the way, to those curious what I was wearing. I was using: 5pcs. Seducer (body pieces), 5pcs. Alteration Mastery, and 2pcs. Blood Spawn. Literally the same exact setup that I mentioned in 1 of my threads a few months ago, that had people telling me to scrap it. Well... Come to find out... That same build, is what is letting me run Zaan user’s fades. It’s funny how things work out.

Bro that’s setup has no damage lol, ur better than this.