Zaan Is Fine; Easy to Counter

pieratsos · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

It's the same for people who said soul assault was to OP. All you had to do was hold block. Yeah was Zaan the enemy can still do other attacks. But atleast it's better then the old viper/senele/something proc shet.

I never understood that claim either. The whole Soul Assault being OP bandwagon that was cruising through the forums for a few months. And what had me bugging was that a lot of those same people whining about Soul Assault being broken, were the same folks who often would tell people on these forums to gitgud and lrn2play. Lmao. These were the same dudes who’d ego flex on their Nightblades or Templars, and talk about how much skill they had. Meanwhile, any old random with Soul Assault would chew ‘em up.

You never understood that claim either cause you have no clue about game mechanics and how PVP is played.

@pieratsos I have no idea about game mechanics, NOR how PvP is played either? Is that right? Okay. Fair enough. But then I propose this question to you, bruh. If I am someone who lacks understanding of game mechanics, and how PvP is played... Why is it that I am unable to be bothered and or stressed by things like: Skoria, Soul Assault, Zaan, Infernal Guardian, Grothdarr, etc. when I am in PvP-based situations? Yet, others who apparently are so wise in the ways of ESO mechanics, and so hold such reputations in PvP struggle against them? Even going as far as to request nerfs toward those things, rather than developing a counter strategy? Or perhaps adapting, and overcoming?

I mean... Here I am... This “bumbling fool” like you all on these forums love to paint me as, that doesn’t struggle in the slightest against the things that such prestigious and great people like yourself and others who you value do. Doesn’t that raise a few eyebrows? Doesn’t it make you question things, when this “clueless buffoon” like myself, can just: Waltz into Auridon, Grahtwood, Wayrest, etc. and literally lay waste to tons of players which have way more hours spent in PvP than myself? I’m talking: Former Emperors, Grand Champions, 1-5 Stars, meta chasers, etc.? And on a class that has received nerf after nerf (MagDK)?

Just a few days ago, I uploaded a video on my YT of me dueling a guy who was hopping around Grahtwood’s dueling area all high and mighty. This was a person which was also quite strong apparently, as he was beating pretty much everyone who challenged him. Until I walked up, challenged, and killed him in under 8 seconds. He had a high PvP rank as well, and was at CP cap like myself. Yet... Got bodied by a non-meta MagDK, in extremely suboptimal gear. Lol. You guys here on these forums are hilarious.

You are clueless when it comes to game mechanics cause you have no clue about the issues with soul assault and what it actually did in a PVP scenario against medium armor builds. In short, it was prety much a guaranteed death sentence for medium armor.

You are clueless when it comes to PVP cause you actually think that PVP rank indicates player skill. You are clueless when it comes to PVP cause otherwise you would actually know that mDK is probably the strongest 1v1 class in the game.

And you are not getting stressed with all the PVP unbalanced things cause you dont give two [snip] about PVP in general. In fact im not even sure why this is an actual conversation. I mean, you dont have to take it for me. Just look at urself.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I haven’t set foot in Cyrodiil to just straight-up PvP in months. The only time I enter Cyrodiil is to go farm stones in IC

People in forums are indeed hilarious. You are leading the pack mate.

P.S. Who the hell is dueling in Auridon, Grahtwood and Wayrest. Last time i checked on PC EU the only duels going on in Auridon are between lvl 3 characters. In fact i would love to know ur YT channel just to see you laying waste to the big boyz of PVP.

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Baconfat79 · February 2018

Just Purge it, and you don’t have to worry about it again for 18 seconds (which is an eternity in PvP). What’s the problem?

Apache_Kid · February 2018

Baconfat79 wrote: »

Just Purge it, and you don’t have to worry about it again for 18 seconds (which is an eternity in PvP). What’s the problem?

Because purge is very costly for stamina characters. Also using a slot for purge can gimp your build hard but I'm willing to ignore that for now. Not saying you shouldn't have to build for counters but the one you're suggesting is completely biased towards magicka builds.

glavius · February 2018

It can be countered easily by some builds. But for the poor wardens and dks, it's either mist form or death (and I'm not sure you would survive zaan+5 seconds of me unloading on you, even in mist form)
The good thing is, few people will use it because half the classes have counters to it. But I'm not sure I'm a fan of the type of balance that leaves out 2 of 5 classes.

ecru · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Edit: I’m going to try and farm Zaan for myself to see what it is like from a user’s perspective, because on the receiving end of it? It looks incredibly tame compared to Grothdarr and Skoria. And it doesn’t make me want to give-up my Blood Spawn for it at all. The proc chance is far too low, with too high or a cooldown. Plus, the distance it has is too short for my liking. But, we will see. I’ll report back my findings once I get the set for myself.

maybe you should have, you know, actually used it before you make a thread defending it?

geonsocal · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Come on now. Stop it. You looking goofy right now. How is it the same guy who isn’t that experienced with PvP as some of you (or how you all like to make yourself appear as) can manage fending off Zaan players on a vampire MagDK, yet the lot of you can’t?

@Ch4mpTW must be nerfed - he's OP!!!

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ak_pvp · February 2018

glavius wrote: »

It can be countered easily by some builds. But for the poor wardens and dks, it's either mist form or death (and I'm not sure you would survive zaan+5 seconds of me unloading on you, even in mist form)
The good thing is, few people will use it because half the classes have counters to it. But I'm not sure I'm a fan of the type of balance that leaves out 2 of 5 classes.

I generally do survive in zaan easily in mist. CC the enemy, mist, profit.

glavius · February 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

It can be countered easily by some builds. But for the poor wardens and dks, it's either mist form or death (and I'm not sure you would survive zaan+5 seconds of me unloading on you, even in mist form)
The good thing is, few people will use it because half the classes have counters to it. But I'm not sure I'm a fan of the type of balance that leaves out 2 of 5 classes.

I generally do survive in zaan easily in mist. CC the enemy, mist, profit.

CC on the enemy will not work if he is CC immune. If you only use CC when Zaan goes off to play defence, I can assure you that you will not kill anyone even remotely competent. And root/snare will not work against a well thought out Zaan build thanks to forward momentum.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2018

@Mic1007 "If it kills you it needs a nerf, if you kill with it it needs a buff"- Casual Mentality.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@Mic1007 "If it kills you it needs a nerf, if you kill with it it needs a buff"- Casual Mentality.

@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO This community is becoming more and more like the Overwatch community by the week. Next update, watch how there begins to be an uprising of DPS angry at healers healing too much. And not letting them secure eliminations, even though their build and overall setup is questionable at most.

I can see it already.... “OMFG! Nerf the heals! I’m sick of this!” “But, weren’t 1 of those members of the herd asking for Zaan nerfs?” “STFU SCRUB! You know nothing! These heals are OP, and need a nerf! It’s stupid!”

Lexxypwns · February 2018

@glavius I’m curious how you “counter” something like Duroks+Spinners+Zaan w/VMA resto on Dw mageblade. He’s able to run 3x mag regen glyphs and atro mundus, tri-food. He has a gap closer, root, snare, hard CC which goes through block and a huge heal debuff.

Magplar can’t reliably purge zaan here because mark+incap+cripple+lotus+poisons+zaan+Duroks is like 3 GCDs to remove all effects, plus a CC break, in that time you’ve done effectively no healing and taken 15k+ from the proc.

Mag sorc gonna counter it? Have to Cc break, shield, streak twice. You’ve casted a 10k shield and eaten 20k+ damage

Non-Sorc/NB Stam specs can only hope to block cast heals and survive the proc, but there Duroks turns their offensive DoTs into a death sentence

The only class with a real counter is actually nightblade and that requires shadow image to already be set up.

Zaan is powerful because it can give you a very strong amount of concurrent damage without tying up any GCD, allowing you to increase your burst more than ANY other set in the game.

zyk · February 2018

The larger question from a PVP POV is who actually enjoys this kind of gameplay? Do a majority of PVP players enjoy sets such as this?

I avoided the original Viper's Sting completely. I didn't start using burst proc sets like Selene until around 3.2. I've experimented with a few of them since and found that while they're very strong and fun in a guilty pleasures sort of way, they are ultimately unfulfilling.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

zyk wrote: »

The larger question from a PVP POV is who actually enjoys this kind of gameplay? Do a majority of PVP players enjoy sets such as this?

I avoided the original Viper's Sting completely. I didn't start using burst proc sets like selene's until around 3.2. I've experimented with a few of them since and found that while they're very strong and fun in a guilty pleasures sort of way, they are ultimately unfulfilling.

@zyk Do you enjoy this defile meta currently, and LagBlades stacking all types of crazy-strong bleeds and other DOT’s on you? Do you enjoy seeing damn near unkillable Wardens and Nightblades running wild with Troll King on? I’d take someone wearing Zaan or Skoria, over the defile bs and CheeseBlade DOT builds that insta-nuke you within a fraction of a second any day. Any day! Bruh, I’d even rather fight in the era of full-power Tremorscale and Viper combo’s over this defile and LagBlade crap. Zaan is dramatically tame compared to those things.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · February 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@glavius I’m curious how you “counter” something like Duroks+Spinners+Zaan w/VMA resto on Dw mageblade. He’s able to run 3x mag regen glyphs and atro mundus, tri-food. He has a gap closer, root, snare, hard CC which goes through block and a huge heal debuff.

Magplar can’t reliably purge zaan here because mark+incap+cripple+lotus+poisons+zaan+Duroks is like 3 GCDs to remove all effects, plus a CC break, in that time you’ve done effectively no healing and taken 15k+ from the proc.

Mag sorc gonna counter it? Have to Cc break, shield, streak twice. You’ve casted a 10k shield and eaten 20k+ damage

Non-Sorc/NB Stam specs can only hope to block cast heals and survive the proc, but there Duroks turns their offensive DoTs into a death sentence

The only class with a real counter is actually nightblade and that requires shadow image to already be set up.

Zaan is powerful because it can give you a very strong amount of concurrent damage without tying up any GCD, allowing you to increase your burst more than ANY other set in the game.

Don't even need the duroks for it to work on a mageblade. Wait for the proc, incap/soul harvest, apply pressure, and gg easy win.

Can't wait for people to start using this on stam builds with reverb/incap. I'm just going to avoid dueling for a while.

Sixty5 · February 2018

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

@Sixty5 Shhhh! The kiddos are still throwing a fit over how unfair it is, and some of which are even asking for Skoria nerfs to go along with Zaan nerfs. We can’t have you running about these forums, and trying to apply common sense and logic to some of these folks. Before you know it, they’ll label you a scrub too. And claim how you know nothing, and how bad you are.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2018

In my (relatively brief) experiences with it so far, it's only overpowered in situations where there are too many effects on the screen and/or lag that makes it difficulty to identify or execute the mild counterplay it requires.

The same is true of many other things.

pieratsos · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed and not doing anything? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

brandonv516 · February 2018

I'll reserve my opinion for when I encounter it or farm it myself (got shoulders already).

I think it will ultimately be nerfed though with all of the discussion surrounding it.

zyk · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

The larger question from a PVP POV is who actually enjoys this kind of gameplay? Do a majority of PVP players enjoy sets such as this?

I avoided the original Viper's Sting completely. I didn't start using burst proc sets like selene's until around 3.2. I've experimented with a few of them since and found that while they're very strong and fun in a guilty pleasures sort of way, they are ultimately unfulfilling.

@zyk Do you enjoy this defile meta currently, and LagBlades stacking all types of crazy-strong bleeds and other DOT’s on you? Do you enjoy seeing damn near unkillable Wardens and Nightblades running wild with Troll King on? I’d take someone wearing Zaan or Skoria, over the defile bs and CheeseBlade DOT builds that insta-nuke you within a fraction of a second any day. Any day! Bruh, I’d even rather fight in the era of full-power Tremorscale and Viper combo’s over this defile and LagBlade crap. Zaan is dramatically tame compared to those things.

I don't know what a lagblade is. There are many things I do not enjoy about ESO PVP. Regardless, I do not consider cheese to be a solution to cheese. Unfortunately, this is Wrobel's MO.

Though ball groups were stupidly OP then, I really miss the far less convoluted and less wrobel-wacky combat of 2.2 PVP. It's funny to think that one of the worst parts of 2.2 were camohunter ganks. The majority of players seemed to hate it and it was severely nerfed. But then ZOS reintroduced that gameplay in the form of burst proc sets...

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

zyk wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

The larger question from a PVP POV is who actually enjoys this kind of gameplay? Do a majority of PVP players enjoy sets such as this?

I avoided the original Viper's Sting completely. I didn't start using burst proc sets like selene's until around 3.2. I've experimented with a few of them since and found that while they're very strong and fun in a guilty pleasures sort of way, they are ultimately unfulfilling.

@zyk Do you enjoy this defile meta currently, and LagBlades stacking all types of crazy-strong bleeds and other DOT’s on you? Do you enjoy seeing damn near unkillable Wardens and Nightblades running wild with Troll King on? I’d take someone wearing Zaan or Skoria, over the defile bs and CheeseBlade DOT builds that insta-nuke you within a fraction of a second any day. Any day! Bruh, I’d even rather fight in the era of full-power Tremorscale and Viper combo’s over this defile and LagBlade crap. Zaan is dramatically tame compared to those things.

I don't know what a lagblade is. There are many things I do not enjoy about ESO PVP. Regardless, I do not consider cheese to be a solution to cheese. Unfortunately, this is Wrobel's MO.

Though ball groups were stupidly OP then, I really miss the far less convoluted and less wrobel-wacky combat of 2.2 PVP. It's funny to think that one of the worst parts of 2.2 were camohunter ganks. The majority of players seemed to hate it and it was severely nerfed. But then ZOS reintroduced that gameplay in the form of burst proc sets...

@zyk Even though I don’t find Zaan OP, I can definitely say that your post right here is easily 1 of the best posts I’ve read on these forums in s long time. Huge amounts of respect to you, bruh.

pieratsos · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

Yes its actually very funny when you think about it. We went from calling viper OP when it dealt 4k dmg to calling Zaan balanced when it deals 20k+ dmg.

Sixty5 · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

People who don't PVP man.

You know what hurts more than a Zaan proc? Masters Axes.
And there is zero counterplay to that.

Taking 3k non-crit bleed ticks every second is waaay more painful.

pieratsos · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

People who don't PVP man.

You know what hurts more than a Zaan proc? Masters Axes.
And there is zero counterplay to that.

Taking 3k non-crit bleed ticks every second is waaay more painful.

Yeah totally agree. People who dont PVP man.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I haven’t set foot in Cyrodiil to just straight-up PvP in months. The only time I enter Cyrodiil is to go farm stones in IC

I like ur logic tho. Master axes bleed OP therefore Zaan is balanced.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

People who don't PVP man.

You know what hurts more than a Zaan proc? Masters Axes.
And there is zero counterplay to that.

Taking 3k non-crit bleed ticks every second is waaay more painful.

LOL! That’s what I’m saying. But, that’s like the ultimate secret. That’s some Illuminati super taboo talk right there, that nobody is willing to mention besides us 2 apparently. Nobody refuses to bring-up, let alone acknowledge the bleed builds out here just straight-up wreaking havoc. And that’s BEFORE even defile is applied, or anything else.

But meanwhile, I’m considered clueless about things. And how I’m not aware of game mechanics, and what’s going on regarding PvP.

pieratsos · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

People who don't PVP man.

You know what hurts more than a Zaan proc? Masters Axes.
And there is zero counterplay to that.

Taking 3k non-crit bleed ticks every second is waaay more painful.

LOL! That’s what I’m saying. But, that’s like the ultimate secret. That’s some Illuminati super taboo talk right there, that nobody is willing to mention besides us 2 apparently. Nobody refuses to bring-up, let alone acknowledge the bleed builds out here just straight-up wreaking havoc. And that’s BEFORE even defile is applied, or anything else.

But meanwhile, I’m considered clueless about things. And how I’m not aware of game mechanics, and what’s going on regarding PvP.

Yes mate you are clueless and you dont PVP. The topic about people who dont PVP is spot on in ur case.
Still waiting for those videos with you wiping the floor with the best of PVP players btw.

glavius · February 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@glavius I’m curious how you “counter” something like Duroks+Spinners+Zaan w/VMA resto on Dw mageblade. He’s able to run 3x mag regen glyphs and atro mundus, tri-food. He has a gap closer, root, snare, hard CC which goes through block and a huge heal debuff.

Magplar can’t reliably purge zaan here because mark+incap+cripple+lotus+poisons+zaan+Duroks is like 3 GCDs to remove all effects, plus a CC break, in that time you’ve done effectively no healing and taken 15k+ from the proc.

Mag sorc gonna counter it? Have to Cc break, shield, streak twice. You’ve casted a 10k shield and eaten 20k+ damage

Non-Sorc/NB Stam specs can only hope to block cast heals and survive the proc, but there Duroks turns their offensive DoTs into a death sentence

The only class with a real counter is actually nightblade and that requires shadow image to already be set up.

Zaan is powerful because it can give you a very strong amount of concurrent damage without tying up any GCD, allowing you to increase your burst more than ANY other set in the game.

I actually only thought it took one streak to break the distance. Haven't tested it myself though.
Nb has a 100% counter though. One cloak will break the beam. Everytime. Regardless if you are marked/detected etc.

ol_BANK_lo · February 2018

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Rofl. Everyone who rates this set as balanced should be forced to duel @Draczo on Pc EU.

PvE players are talking nonsense about stuff they know exactly nothing about (PvP). I have zero respect towards PvE players who don't give a single *** about ruining PvP balance as long as their freaking dps gets boosted by 2-3k (don't tell me that your content couldn't be finished before Zaan). Ridiculous.

Well, I equally enjoy both PVE and PVP, so I am not one-sided, and get tired of either side, including PVPers, who whine about nerfs because something killed them. It is bursty; it's supposed to be. Stamblades are just as bursty, if not more, but we aren't running around nerfing them.

You want to nerf something? Nerf stam wardens....that's a stupidly OP class.

Everyone needs to chill on the nerf train.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Zaan is a set where it looks disgusting when you do the math, buy then you do more math, and it turns out that it isn't that bad.

3440 base damage ticks 6 times for a total of 1350% of base damage, or 46440 damage.

Battle spirit drops this to 23220, which is still massive. But this is pre-mitigation.

Lets assume you have 30% effective mitigation vs a Zaan user.
Eating a full proc will result in you taking 16245 damage. But if you block, that's going to get cut in half, to about 8122 damage, over 5 seconds.
You can heal through that.

What's more, if you break the tether before the last two ticks, still assumimg 30% damage reduction, you are only taking 8428 damage, without the need to block.

At this point, Zaan is being mitigated by a single cadt of Vigor, or two hardened wards. Which means, if you are dying to a Zaan user, you are either standing still like a potato, or you are eating a full combo from them in addition to the proc. In which case they probably would have got the kill anyway.

So in like one of the worst case scenarios for the Zaan user with base tooltip, no buffs and not doing anything else its possible to do 8k through block. From a 2 piece set? Doing 8k dmg through block while being naked and unbuffed? And thats balanced? Got to admit. Im speechless.

@Sixty5 See? I told you so.

@Vaoh @Rohamad_Ali Come look at this thread, fam’. Lmao.

People who don't PVP man.

You know what hurts more than a Zaan proc? Masters Axes.
And there is zero counterplay to that.

Taking 3k non-crit bleed ticks every second is waaay more painful.

LOL! That’s what I’m saying. But, that’s like the ultimate secret. That’s some Illuminati super taboo talk right there, that nobody is willing to mention besides us 2 apparently. Nobody refuses to bring-up, let alone acknowledge the bleed builds out here just straight-up wreaking havoc. And that’s BEFORE even defile is applied, or anything else.

But meanwhile, I’m considered clueless about things. And how I’m not aware of game mechanics, and what’s going on regarding PvP.

Yes mate you are clueless and you dont PVP. The topic about people who dont PVP is spot on in ur case.
Still waiting for those videos with you wiping the floor with the best of PVP players btw.

Check your page comments. Anyway, I’m off to farm Zaan for myself. That way I’ll be able to speak on using it. I’ve already experienced playing against it, and it was a breeze.