Zaan Is Fine; Easy to Counter

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

I’ve already dueled a few people who use Zaan, and encountered both people in BG and Cyrodiil with it. And honestly I can say, it does not deserve the amount of whining that people have for it. Seriously. And this is coming from a VAMPIRE MagDK who has these encounters against Zaan folks.

First of all, the duration is incredibly short. And you can mitigate the damage received from it. Or just flat out heal through it. My buddy who’s a StamPlar actually destroyed a few Zaan users numerous times in duels, by just healing through the damage. Then turning around and insta-gibbing the user immediately after due to the cooldown.

Which leads to the second point. The cooldown on Zaan is 18 seconds. If all of you StamBlades and other PvP folks who are such seasoned combatants can’t kill a player after within the time frame of 18 seconds or longer (the damage dealer’s), then I don’t know what to tell you. Because how is it that a player like me, who isn’t even a guy who PvP’s that much, can sit there and do so numerous times without fault? And in 1v1 or 1v2 situations?

Which leads to my third point. Zaan’s distance is hilarious. You can L.O.S. it, you can get away from it quickly, block cast through it, Mist Form away from it, etc. How do I know these things? Did it personally for myself. And actually the first few times I encounter someone wearing Zaan (in a duel setting), the opponent I was facing at the time was shocked that it wasn’t as good of a set you all here on the forums are hyping it up to be. And the person proceeded with going back to using Skoria on their MagDK.

But, please tell me this forums. How can you all sit there and whine about Zaan, but not whine about Troll King? How can you whine about Zaan, but not whine about Skoria or Grothdarr? How do you whine about Zaan, but not whine about Selene or Infernal Guardian? Especially Infernal Guardian on Sorcs. How do you complain and whine about Zaan, when we are literally in a meta of: Defile enchantments and builds, bleed builds, LagBlades, and StamWardens super ranks?

Come on now. Stop it. You looking goofy right now. How is it the same guy who isn’t that experienced with PvP as some of you (or how you all like to make yourself appear as) can manage fending off Zaan players on a vampire MagDK, yet the lot of you can’t? And I’m not even a 1vX super elite, nor have best-in-slot meta gear for MagDK in PvP. And recently ZOS hit perma-blocking, and nerfed my class for PvP AGAIN with the recent update. It’s oretty disgraceful, bruh-bruh. It’s pretty shameful.

Edit: I’m going to try and farm Zaan for myself to see what it is like from a user’s perspective, because on the receiving end of it? It looks incredibly tame compared to Grothdarr and Skoria. And it doesn’t make me want to give-up my Blood Spawn for it at all. The proc chance is far too low, with too high or a cooldown. Plus, the distance it has is too short for my liking. But, we will see. I’ll report back my findings once I get the set for myself.

Edit #2: After some thorough testing of Zaan (although I am still going to test it further), I am going to say that I will by no means be giving up neither Blood Spawn nor Skoria for this junk. If people are getting nuked by Zaan, you pretty much are a potato. Especially when in either BG or Cyrodiil.

ak_pvp · February 2018

/agree.

Just a note, you can't LOS it, its broken in that way.

Milvan · February 2018

For I moment I was like "Damn a Ch4mpTW's post which I actually agree with".

Then I saw the wall text

Mic1007 · February 2018

If it does damage, it must be nerfed. That's the logic of the ESO forums.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Milvan wrote: »

For I moment I was like "Damn a Ch4mpTW's post which I actually agree with".

Then I saw the wall text

@Milvan LOL! My apologies, comrade. But here, take this awesome for your pic. It made me smile.

SpiderCultist · February 2018

I've tested it and in all honesty it's not worthy to be run in any PVP scenario, the proc chance is very low. On my mDK I switched back to Skoria.

Knootewoot · February 2018

It's the same for people who said soul assault was to OP. All you had to do was hold block. Yeah was Zaan the enemy can still do other attacks. But atleast it's better then the old viper/senele/something proc shet.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

SpiderCultist wrote: »

I've tested it and in all honesty it's not worthy to be run in any PVP scenario, the proc chance is very low. On my mDK I switched back to Skoria.

@SpiderCultist Yeah? You are sounding like the guy I dueled in Grahtwood yesterday. Lol. Bro was sounding so damn let down by those duels we had, and was just sounding distraught in the chat.

And by the way, to those curious what I was wearing. I was using: 5pcs. Seducer (body pieces), 5pcs. Alteration Mastery, and 2pcs. Blood Spawn. Literally the same exact setup that I mentioned in 1 of my threads a few months ago, that had people telling me to scrap it. Well... Come to find out... That same build, is what is letting me run Zaan user’s fades. It’s funny how things work out.

Minalan · February 2018

Mic1007 wrote: »

If it does damage, it must be nerfed. That's the logic of the ESO forums.

More like... we’ve been through this proc set thing before. And it didn’t make the game fun or engaging back then. You’re killing people with an armor set, not a skill or ability.

I’ll just shut up about it and wait for half of the stamina nightblades out there to run it. Then watch how many people here think it’s “fine” when they aren’t a stamina nightblade.

Apache_Kid · February 2018

LOL total BS that you can break it with LOS. I was on console last night getting hit with it through rocks and trees. You can't get away from it unless you break the distance and if you try to get away your opponent can use a GAP CLOSER to re-position themselves directly next you. Yeah some classes have an easier time dealing with it than others, mist form is a way, but not everyone is a vamp. I saw DKs last night proccing it and then just spamming empowering chains every-time someone tried to get away.

Ragnaroek93 · February 2018

Rofl. Everyone who rates this set as balanced should be forced to duel @Draczo on Pc EU.

PvE players are talking nonsense about stuff they know exactly nothing about (PvP). I have zero respect towards PvE players who don't give a single *** about ruining PvP balance as long as their freaking dps gets boosted by 2-3k (don't tell me that your content couldn't be finished before Zaan). Ridiculous.

SpiderCultist · February 2018

@Ch4mpTW Hah man, it wasn't me I think. I've tested it in duels with some friends, in BGs (solo) and open world (solo/small scale) on a mDK. European PC Megaserver. The requirements and chance for that set to proc are too restrictive and it doesn't deal so much damage. Let aside the beam can be easily broken. I still find Skoria more reliable.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Apache_Kid wrote: »

LOL total BS that you can break it with LOS. I was on console last night getting hit with it through rocks and trees. You can't get away from it unless you break the distance and if you try to get away your opponent can use a GAP CLOSER to re-position themselves directly next you. Yeah some classes have an easier time dealing with it than others, mist form is a way, but not everyone is a vamp. I saw DKs last night proccing it and then just spamming empowering chains every-time someone tried to get away.

N’ah, you can definitely LOS it. Promised. Maybe you were trying to LOS through those small rocks, and those super skinny trees with little to no cover. But, any boulder or medium to large-sized tree can enable a LOS break of it.

If it were possible to upload a video showing you, I would. But damn near every time I upload a video (unless it is a dungeon/trial setting video, or solo video), it gets taken down for naming and shaming for some annoying reason. And I’m not about to buy video editing software for ESO. Lol. I am no streamer nor big-time YouTuber.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2018

But still... Zaan = free soul assault...

(more or less). We should not have a 2 pcs proc set that gives as much dmg potential as an ultimate...

But hey ! I am just saying...

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Knootewoot wrote: »

It's the same for people who said soul assault was to OP. All you had to do was hold block. Yeah was Zaan the enemy can still do other attacks. But atleast it's better then the old viper/senele/something proc shet.

I never understood that claim either. The whole Soul Assault being OP bandwagon that was cruising through the forums for a few months. And what had me bugging was that a lot of those same people whining about Soul Assault being broken, were the same folks who often would tell people on these forums to gitgud and lrn2play. Lmao. These were the same dudes who’d ego flex on their Nightblades or Templars, and talk about how much skill they had. Meanwhile, any old random with Soul Assault would chew ‘em up.

Tryxus · February 2018

A 2 piece monster set that can output over 20k damage is not smth I consider fine. It's basically a free Soul Assault that can't be blocked

And the counterplay? 10 m is too big of a distance, especially in a duel or bgs.

MaxwellC · February 2018

@Ch4mpTW
I heard its uninterruptible and if that's the case then I can't agree; I will say I haven't fought anyone with it thus far but I feel any proc set that provides a damaging beam that stays on the target should have a interrupt counter rather than just run for your life.
As a player who never uses sets that do their own damage, I really don't understand why players need a crutch like that in PvP; Anyway but that's a different matter.

Apache_Kid · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

LOL total BS that you can break it with LOS. I was on console last night getting hit with it through rocks and trees. You can't get away from it unless you break the distance and if you try to get away your opponent can use a GAP CLOSER to re-position themselves directly next you. Yeah some classes have an easier time dealing with it than others, mist form is a way, but not everyone is a vamp. I saw DKs last night proccing it and then just spamming empowering chains every-time someone tried to get away.

N’ah, you can definitely LOS it. Promised. Maybe you were trying to LOS through those small rocks, and those super skinny trees with little to no cover. But, any boulder or medium to large-sized tree can enable a LOS break of it.

If it were possible to upload a video showing you, I would. But damn near every time I upload a video (unless it is a dungeon/trial setting video, or solo video), it gets taken down for naming and shaming for some annoying reason. And I’m not about to buy video editing software for ESO. Lol. I am no streamer nor big-time YouTuber.

It's not breaking with LOS consistently then. Had a guildmate who said it was hitting him through the keep door. Idk if its a lag or latency issue or a bug or what but I can't even evaluate whether or not the set is OP or not because it doesn't seem to be working as intended. I would have a video as well but same reasons you stated

Ill try and upload one from my xbox drive tonight maybe. ive heard thats the way to do it.

Smmokkee · February 2018

I don't believe anything you say champ.

Nerf skoria too

TequilaFire · February 2018

What I find hard to believe is that the DLC released yesterday on PS4 and people have had time to farm the helm and shoulder and then found time to duel and PvP.
RNG gods must be in a good mood.

pieratsos · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

It's the same for people who said soul assault was to OP. All you had to do was hold block. Yeah was Zaan the enemy can still do other attacks. But atleast it's better then the old viper/senele/something proc shet.

I never understood that claim either. The whole Soul Assault being OP bandwagon that was cruising through the forums for a few months. And what had me bugging was that a lot of those same people whining about Soul Assault being broken, were the same folks who often would tell people on these forums to gitgud and lrn2play. Lmao. These were the same dudes who’d ego flex on their Nightblades or Templars, and talk about how much skill they had. Meanwhile, any old random with Soul Assault would chew ‘em up.

You never understood that claim either cause you have no clue about game mechanics and how PVP is played.

rfennell_ESO · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

7 paragraphs

Translation: I actually use it and it's ridiculously OP, so I'm going to pretend I don't and make a long detailed post about how it's actually very weak and useless. If you don't think it's weak and useless u r bad playar.

NordSwordnBoard · February 2018

Deja Vu:

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zann_Consortium/Legends

jssriot · February 2018

Milvan wrote: »

Then I saw the wall text

When I was in the 6th grade, I was taught how to speed read by my teacher who was using old '70 equipment. They don't teach kids to speed read anymore, but as an adult in the 21th century, there are few skills I use as often as speed reading.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

I don't believe anything you say champ.

Nerf skoria too

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or serious, but either way I won’t lose sleep over a random individual on an Internet forum believing what is read or not. I mean, here you are asking for a Skoria nerf. That alone speaks volumes as to where your “beliefs” lie.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

7 paragraphs

Translation: I actually use it and it's ridiculously OP, so I'm going to pretend I don't and make a long detailed post about how it's actually very weak and useless. If you don't think it's weak and useless u r bad playar.

That’s 1 heck of an interesting conspiracy theory you have there. But, sure. I’ll be more than happy to detail my findings upon obtaining the proper 2pcs. set. Not like it would sway your tinfoil theory at all.

Surak73 · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

LOL total BS that you can break it with LOS. I was on console last night getting hit with it through rocks and trees. You can't get away from it unless you break the distance and if you try to get away your opponent can use a GAP CLOSER to re-position themselves directly next you. Yeah some classes have an easier time dealing with it than others, mist form is a way, but not everyone is a vamp. I saw DKs last night proccing it and then just spamming empowering chains every-time someone tried to get away.

N’ah, you can definitely LOS it. Promised. Maybe you were trying to LOS through those small rocks, and those super skinny trees with little to no cover. But, any boulder or medium to large-sized tree can enable a LOS break of it.

Maybe it's just because running behind a boulder or a large tree you have already covered 10m (which is a very short distance indeed).

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

jssriot wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Then I saw the wall text

When I was in the 6th grade, I was taught how to speed read by my teacher who was using old '70 equipment. They don't teach kids to speed read anymore, but as an adult in the 21th century, there are few skills I use as often as speed reading.

@jssriot It’s not even that, but reading comprehension in a lot of cases. These forums (and other forums as well) have a really bad case of individuals browsing over something, and completely not comprehending at all what it is that they’ve read over. It’s pretty sad. People see a few paragraphs, and suddenly they behave as though they have a full-fledged novel on their hands. When in fact, it’s just a few paragraphs that expand upon a topic sentence.

Hmm... It’s strange how back when I was in school, I used to wonder why my Language Arts and English teachers stressed the importance of things like: Literacy, reading comprehension, speed reading, grammar, etc. Only for years later, it becomes abundantly clear just how many people lack those key components. Even if English isn’t a first language, one’s reading and overall literacy should be impeccable. But instead, even a person like me who uses slang like: “bruh” is often dumbfounded by what I see on these forums. Feels bad, fam’-fam’.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

It's the same for people who said soul assault was to OP. All you had to do was hold block. Yeah was Zaan the enemy can still do other attacks. But atleast it's better then the old viper/senele/something proc shet.

I never understood that claim either. The whole Soul Assault being OP bandwagon that was cruising through the forums for a few months. And what had me bugging was that a lot of those same people whining about Soul Assault being broken, were the same folks who often would tell people on these forums to gitgud and lrn2play. Lmao. These were the same dudes who’d ego flex on their Nightblades or Templars, and talk about how much skill they had. Meanwhile, any old random with Soul Assault would chew ‘em up.

You never understood that claim either cause you have no clue about game mechanics and how PVP is played.

@pieratsos I have no idea about game mechanics, NOR how PvP is played either? Is that right? Okay. Fair enough. But then I propose this question to you, bruh. If I am someone who lacks understanding of game mechanics, and how PvP is played... Why is it that I am unable to be bothered and or stressed by things like: Skoria, Soul Assault, Zaan, Infernal Guardian, Grothdarr, etc. when I am in PvP-based situations? Yet, others who apparently are so wise in the ways of ESO mechanics, and so hold such reputations in PvP struggle against them? Even going as far as to request nerfs toward those things, rather than developing a counter strategy? Or perhaps adapting, and overcoming?

I mean... Here I am... This “bumbling fool” like you all on these forums love to paint me as, that doesn’t struggle in the slightest against the things that such prestigious and great people like yourself and others who you value do. Doesn’t that raise a few eyebrows? Doesn’t it make you question things, when this “clueless buffoon” like myself, can just: Waltz into Auridon, Grahtwood, Wayrest, etc. and literally lay waste to tons of players which have way more hours spent in PvP than myself? I’m talking: Former Emperors, Grand Champions, 1-5 Stars, meta chasers, etc.? And on a class that has received nerf after nerf (MagDK)?

Just a few days ago, I uploaded a video on my YT of me dueling a guy who was hopping around Grahtwood’s dueling area all high and mighty. This was a person which was also quite strong apparently, as he was beating pretty much everyone who challenged him. Until I walked up, challenged, and killed him in under 8 seconds. He had a high PvP rank as well, and was at CP cap like myself. Yet... Got bodied by a non-meta MagDK, in extremely suboptimal gear. Lol. You guys here on these forums are hilarious.

Grabmoore · February 2018

Another bloated wall of text. Your only argument is "You can outrange it".

Do you know that a single streak is most of the time insufficient to get out? Also, a good player will snare, stun or use gap closers.

You can't LOS it and this set alone allows you to kill an enemy.

I did test it myself. Its damage is decent in PvE, but not too great. In pvp it's too good for a 5 piece.

Please do us a favour and only talk about stuff you tested and know about.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

New cheese for the cheesers.

Minalan · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

jssriot wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Then I saw the wall text

When I was in the 6th grade, I was taught how to speed read by my teacher who was using old '70 equipment. They don't teach kids to speed read anymore, but as an adult in the 21th century, there are few skills I use as often as speed reading.

@jssriot It’s not even that, but reading comprehension in a lot of cases. These forums (and other forums as well) have a really bad case of individuals browsing over something, and completely not comprehending at all what it is that they’ve read over. It’s pretty sad. People see a few paragraphs, and suddenly they behave as though they have a full-fledged novel on their hands. When in fact, it’s just a few paragraphs that expand upon a topic sentence.

Hmm... It’s strange how back when I was in school, I used to wonder why my Language Arts and English teachers stressed the importance of things like: Literacy, reading comprehension, speed reading, grammar, etc. Only for years later, it becomes abundantly clear just how many people lack those key components. Even if English isn’t a first language, one’s reading and overall literacy should be impeccable. But instead, even a person like me who uses slang like: “bruh” is often dumbfounded by what I see on these forums. Feels bad, fam’-fam’.

Posting arguments that are short, effective, and concise is also a lost art. Your posts are too much fluff, not enough substance.