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Should there be a CP catch up mechanic? Should we be able to buy them?
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pretty sure its a troll thread guys. But in case it isn't, flat no.
The day you can buy progression is the day I'm outta here.
You dont need CP anyway may all but the last 1% of PvE is a cake walk and the best PvP action is in NoCP hence Battlegrounds switching back.
I am being genuine and trying to provide helpful ideas for the game and its community.
You mentioned " like Eve", but this game is nothing like Eve. Eve has real time skill progression. It doesnt matter if i play 20 minutes a day or 20 hours a day, im not going to gain skills any faster in Eve, as long as i keep the queue full. And if i remember correctly, to "slow train" all the skills in Eve would take you something like 40 or 50 real years and you have to do it for every character AND until last year or the year before you could only train one skill on one character on one account at the same time.
So you are literally comparing apples and car tires. They are both round but thats the only thing they have in common. In ESO, how fast you level depends on efficiency and how much time you spend playing. And getting a character to level 50 is relatively easy with some people being able to do it under 6 hours. So if you can get that first character to 300 CP your pretty much golden. So maybe 2-4 months for your first character to reach that level depending on your efficiency and how much you play. Thats not bad.3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?
It's not that it should be in two weeks I think you are misunderstanding. Let me help.
A player that just starts the game and plays casually will take upwards of a year to catch up to CP cap. This is frustrating for two reasons. 1.) They feel like they are underperforming (which is true because of math) compared to others at CP cap. 2.) There is a lot of elitism that prevents people with less-than-cp-cap CP from joining groups.
I understand your point very well, but I still don't see why anyone should think that it should take them less than a year to do what others have taken 4 years to do, and I still don't see why they are in such a rush rather than just wanting to play the game like everyone else has done. It's not like there's anything special or rewarding about being in the "endgame", most people who think in advance that it's the only enjoyable part of the game soon change their mind when they get there!
If they're group players then they should be able to find decent guilds (they have 5 guild slots after all!) who will provide good support throughout the game, it's really only the PUGs that have a problem with elitist attitudes, and those problems would remain if new players could simply buy their way to a quick advancement, the elitists would dislike max-cp players who hadn't learnt the game fully and would find some other means of kicking them such as establishing how long the character had been played.
There aren't any short cuts in life, nor should there be. Why should someone expect a quick route to the top just because they were late to the party?
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?
It's not that it should be in two weeks I think you are misunderstanding. Let me help.
A player that just starts the game and plays casually will take upwards of a year to catch up to CP cap. This is frustrating for two reasons. 1.) They feel like they are underperforming (which is true because of math) compared to others at CP cap. 2.) There is a lot of elitism that prevents people with less-than-cp-cap CP from joining groups.
If you want to be competitive to end game players then you have to put in more time than just "casual play".
I'm a casual player. Started last May and I'm about cp315 right now..not even 1/2 of the CP cap.
Then again I have no desire to be competitive with those that have been playing for years.
With time comes skill and buying my way to cp cap won't do it.
Edited by Juju_beans on February 25, 2018 1:04AM2 -
Yubarius✭✭✭✭WhiteScythe wrote: »
I see your point here I do, I'm one of these people playing catch up however wouldn't people say it's pay to win? Granted someone always says "X is pay to win"As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
I just can't see it happening. 
Edit: I will also note that I don't like the Champion Point system, makes me feel like I'll never be able to compete or be "good" enough unless I'm at 720. Really kills the entire experience for people playing catch up like me ZOS.
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pretty sure its a troll thread guys. But in case it isn't, flat no.
The day you can buy progression is the day I'm outta here.
You dont need CP anyway may all but the last 1% of PvE is a cake walk and the best PvP action is in NoCP hence Battlegrounds switching back.
I am being genuine and trying to provide helpful ideas for the game and its community.I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?
It's not that it should be in two weeks I think you are misunderstanding. Let me help.
A player that just starts the game and plays casually will take upwards of a year to catch up to CP cap. This is frustrating for two reasons. 1.) They feel like they are underperforming (which is true because of math) compared to others at CP cap. 2.) There is a lot of elitism that prevents people with less-than-cp-cap CP from joining groups.
Why do you think a new player should even need to catch up to the CP cap? 95% of the game is solo content and easily playable at any level (in fact, I'd argue that CP ruins most solo content by making it way too easy).
It takes a long time to learn the game and its systems. I see no reason why any new or newish players should be at all concerned with being max level CP if they haven't mastered the rest of the game yet. They should be more concerned with learning the game and playing it. The only reason to be concerned about being max level CP is to have all your min-max bases covered for endgame veteran PvE and for veteran PvPers. Inexperienced players shouldn't be concerned with either.
Just to underscore my point: I myself know many under-cap CP players (in the 400-500 range) that outperform many at-cap CP players we've played with. CP does not make you better at the game, and being past the halfway point to max CP does very little to increase your performance and competitive edge. New players are better served by learning to play to their strengths, learning their builds and how they work, learning how to use skill rotations efficiently, etc. CP is the dead last thing that should be on their mind.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa4 -
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✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »
And how do you do that without spending 100 dollars in exp scrolls?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots and before you say OMG that would cost to much gold.. well it does BUT there is a way in the game where you can make 50k gold every 20 mins so golding out gear and buy the pots will be easy0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »
And how do you do that without spending 100 dollars in exp scrolls?
And without taking four days off work and sacrificing your health?0 -
SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Guild Wars 2 has boosts to max level.
This isn't Guild Wars 2 though.
Edit: Also, in Guild Wars 2, you aren't battle-leveled, and not every single monster is at the same level as you are.Edited by SilverIce58 on February 25, 2018 2:29AMPC - NACP 1125
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
GW2 is still a good game, though. Not ruined by the max level boosts.0 -
SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
GW2 is still a good game, though. Not ruined by the max level boosts.
I didn't say it was a bad game.PC - NACP 1125
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
GW2 is still a good game, though. Not ruined by the max level boosts.
It's ruined in other ways, though...
But yeah, what silverice said"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
MuchShock✭✭✭I am one of those people playing catch up at 550ish CP. I feel like if I could quickly get to 720 one of my main motivating factors to keep playing would be gone. Part of my daily routine is leveling up a few CP's, I like the grind as it keeps me logging in. Sure there is lots more to do at endgame but I don't feel like I have ever been excluded from doing desirable content at my level either.I have some characters, play the game and do stuff. It's fun sometimes.
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✭I am one of those people playing catch up at 550ish CP. I feel like if I could quickly get to 720 one of my main motivating factors to keep playing would be gone. Part of my daily routine is leveling up a few CP's, I like the grind as it keeps me logging in. Sure there is lots more to do at endgame but I don't feel like I have ever been excluded from doing desirable content at my level either.
So by your example you will quit at 720cp0 -
MuchShock✭✭✭I am one of those people playing catch up at 550ish CP. I feel like if I could quickly get to 720 one of my main motivating factors to keep playing would be gone. Part of my daily routine is leveling up a few CP's, I like the grind as it keeps me logging in. Sure there is lots more to do at endgame but I don't feel like I have ever been excluded from doing desirable content at my level either.
So by your example you will quit at 720cp
Definitely not, I just feel I will log in to do a few things then go, rather than the current do whatever for hours (because Xp is Xp). It is nice knowing that even if you aren't doing something specific, you are contributing towards a goal in some way.Edited by MuchShock on February 25, 2018 4:07AMI have some characters, play the game and do stuff. It's fun sometimes.
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Bbsample197✭✭✭✭NO! whats the poing of grinding to 720cp anyway?? aside from being a pretentious dickhead and someone who couldnt even pull 25k dps just cause he grinded to 720 and doesnt know what the *** LA weaving even means..1 -
ewhite106b16_ESO✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There is a CP catch-up mechanic, it's called enlightenment, and the experience requirements for the lower CP levels are heavily reduced each patch to allow you to catch up.
As much as I love EVE, this is not EVE. EVE's business model does not belong in this game, and if you want that, you should go play EVE.
Earn what you have.
The current CP catch up mechanics aren't enough, enlightenment is too limited....and the XP costs for CP scale upwards too fast for new or returning players to "catch up" realiably. By the time you get to around 300ish CP, the reduction for each patch is barely noticable and it takes a long time to get CP once your enlightenment is gone. The only exception I can think of is mindless AOE grinding, but that's not "gameplay".
As for "earn what you have" this is a game not a job. And there's no skill whatsoever involved in earning XP faster, it's completely based on how willing you are to be bored senseless AOE grinding. The current inadequate CP catch up systems are nothing more then a barrier keeping people away from endgame content PVE or PVP.0 -
FoulSnowpaw✭✭✭The lower level CP you are the less points you need to get to the next CP level. The amount scales every time they increase CP.
So really you need to level up like everyone else.
Oh and in the past, leveling veteran ranks were much harder than is cp(when CP didn't even exist which made it even harder because no free perks right).0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭FoulSnowpaw wrote: »The lower level CP you are the less points you need to get to the next CP level. The amount scales every time they increase CP.
So really you need to level up like everyone else.
Oh and in the past, leveling veteran ranks were much harder than is cp(when CP didn't even exist which made it even harder because no free perks right).
Just as the Veteran System has failed so shall this one if a catch up mechanic is not introduced.0 -
DocDova✭✭✭I am all in for permanent enlightenment till I get to full CP. We latecomers already missed so much fun, it's kind of tiring to grind so much. I am like 2 months in game and still CP 260. It seems like mountain ahead to reach 690/720.1 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?
It's not that it should be in two weeks I think you are misunderstanding. Let me help.
A player that just starts the game and plays casually will take upwards of a year to catch up to CP cap. This is frustrating for two reasons. 1.) They feel like they are underperforming (which is true because of math) compared to others at CP cap. 2.) There is a lot of elitism that prevents people with less-than-cp-cap CP from joining groups.
They arent underperforming. Your first 300 cps are the most important, vet dlc content (like vMA) is designed around this level.
Not to mention that the majority of content in this game can be done with 0 cp.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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JasonSilverSpring✭✭✭✭✭I am all in for permanent enlightenment till I get to full CP. We latecomers already missed so much fun, it's kind of tiring to grind so much. I am like 2 months in game and still CP 260. It seems like mountain ahead to reach 690/720.
I guess it is all perspective. I started at release but took about a year break returning with 1T. I am at about 530 CP. I don't grind. I have done my alliance quests and main story. I am about 50% into Cadwell's Silver. I have done most of Vvardenfell but still have Clockwork City and Dark Brotherhood to complete.
There is so much to do along the way. Maybe enjoy the journey instead of racing to the finish line?5 -
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✭WhiteScythe wrote: »
I see your point here I do, I'm one of these people playing catch up however wouldn't people say it's pay to win? Granted someone always says "X is pay to win"As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space? I just can't see it happening.
Edit: I will also note that I don't like the Champion Point system, makes me feel like I'll never be able to compete or be "good" enough unless I'm at 720. Really kills the entire experience for people playing catch up like me ZOS.
It isn't our fault you suck. Or that you dont understand CP... Enlightenment + scaling xp +front loaded points + xp drinks/scrolls. It is fine as it is. They add CP to the crown store and Im done0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ewhite106b16_ESO wrote: »As for "earn what you have" this is a game not a job. And there's no skill whatsoever involved in earning XP faster, it's completely based on how willing you are to be bored senseless AOE grinding. The current inadequate CP catch up systems are nothing more then a barrier keeping people away from endgame content PVE or PVP.
I earned my last 100 CP up to 660 at the time by working towards Cadwell's Gold. There is a ton of exp to be made by questing, and there are frequently double EXP events that many people use as an opportunity to "catch up" on CP.
Also, there's No CP PVP (so nothing is actually keeping you away from PVP entirely) and as long as you do decent damage/heals/tanking, you should be fine for PVE.
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Niobium✭✭✭✭How about just play and enjoy the game?
If you are complaining you suck because you're not max CP, I'll tell you right now - that's not your problem.
No amount of boosted CP is going to make a terrible player any good.
Side note: If you feel the generlized "you" is about YOU, that is also a problem.1 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JasonSilverSpring wrote: »I am all in for permanent enlightenment till I get to full CP. We latecomers already missed so much fun, it's kind of tiring to grind so much. I am like 2 months in game and still CP 260. It seems like mountain ahead to reach 690/720.
I guess it is all perspective. I started at release but took about a year break returning with 1T. I am at about 530 CP. I don't grind. I have done my alliance quests and main story. I am about 50% into Cadwell's Silver. I have done most of Vvardenfell but still have Clockwork City and Dark Brotherhood to complete.
There is so much to do along the way. Maybe enjoy the journey instead of racing to the finish line?
I couldnt agree more. People are in such a hurry to get to the end, they miss most of the game. Maybe a MOBA is more their style of game.It is the journey that is important not the destination. That end game content will still be there when you get there.
Im CP 175 and ive only really done stuff in 4 zones with visits to other zones for various reasons. I only collected maybe 10 or 15% of my skyshards. I still have tons to do on just my main. At some point i want to collect and furnish all of the houses. I have that as a side project.
So much to do and people just want to blow through content get to the end and then say " im bored, we need more to do!" How about some of the 95% of content you skipped?4 -
crjs1✭✭✭✭✭I would be in favour of permanent enlightenment or at least a very significant increase in it. Not in favour of being able to buy CP (though not 100% against) but I do think it the catch up is hugely penalising and frustrating for newer players.0 -
DocDova✭✭✭JasonSilverSpring wrote: »I am all in for permanent enlightenment till I get to full CP. We latecomers already missed so much fun, it's kind of tiring to grind so much. I am like 2 months in game and still CP 260. It seems like mountain ahead to reach 690/720.
I guess it is all perspective. I started at release but took about a year break returning with 1T. I am at about 530 CP. I don't grind. I have done my alliance quests and main story. I am about 50% into Cadwell's Silver. I have done most of Vvardenfell but still have Clockwork City and Dark Brotherhood to complete.
There is so much to do along the way. Maybe enjoy the journey instead of racing to the finish line?
That's What I am doing, Got rid of former armor set with Experience trait on every piece.
I Know my opinion has clear conflict of interest, But Maybe little more enlightenment would encourage us.
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✭✭JasonSilverSpring wrote: »I am all in for permanent enlightenment till I get to full CP. We latecomers already missed so much fun, it's kind of tiring to grind so much. I am like 2 months in game and still CP 260. It seems like mountain ahead to reach 690/720.
I guess it is all perspective. I started at release but took about a year break returning with 1T. I am at about 530 CP. I don't grind. I have done my alliance quests and main story. I am about 50% into Cadwell's Silver. I have done most of Vvardenfell but still have Clockwork City and Dark Brotherhood to complete.
There is so much to do along the way. Maybe enjoy the journey instead of racing to the finish line?
^^This. I returned at the end of October last year. I just "dinged" 333 and I was rather surprised to be that far along. I have just been, well, playing the game without hurtling along toward level cap. I learned years ago that was not a great idea.
Journey can be so much fun you end up not worrying about the destination. I'll get there all too soon but I'm sure having fun on the way (otherwise I'd be finding another type of game where I didn't have to "waste my time" getting to the "good stuff").
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