Should there be a CP catch up mechanic? Should we be able to buy them?

ssewallb14_ESO · February 2018

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Olen_Mikko · February 2018

Hell no.

Buy xp scrolls, grind with a partner in skyreach and you'll be max cp in no time.

Or enjoy the game and you still eventually will be maxed out

kyle.wilson · February 2018

Anybody that wants to pay money to level, there are plenty of PTW games waiting for you elsewhere.
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Skoomah · February 2018

Funny how the people who are ok with justifying the use of exploits as ZOS fault for having it in game are the same people who are ok with buying your way to more power, i.e. levels. The same people who are ok with cheating because ZOS hasn't blocked the program or exploit yet. Pay to win features would sink this game do fast.

Anotherone773 · February 2018

I am CP 175. Today i ran a normal random dungeon. First run so i had the quest plus enlightened. I entered the dungeon at CP 170. When i left the dungeon i had CP 175. That is more than a reasonable rate of catch up.

I play the game normally. If my Enlightenment gets to high, i grind XP running dungeons, questing, or dolmens. When i drop below a million, i do other things: make gold, work on unlocking shrines, collect shards, work on leveling NPC guilds, gather, fish, work on crafting,acquiring gear, etc etc.

If enlightenment drops below 100k, i switch to my second character, who is currently level 20 and work on everything on that character. I still have to do everything on that character i did on my first BUT gain champion points.

The system was intended for casual players. So lets look at it from a casual standpoint. Lets say the average casual player plays 2 hours a day. If you do one dungeon run with purple rewards, that will eat up a lot to all of your days enlightenment, but you are going to spend an hour doing a dungeon with queue and everything. That leaves you another hour to do all that other stuff you need to do to progress that character. Dailies, writs, skyshards, quests for skill points, etc.

On top of this, you only gain CP once whether you have one character or 15. You second, third, forth, etc character starts out at level 1 with your current CP level. So its a one time grind up and then you just have to top it up every 3 months or so.

The CP system sucks, but how fast you gain CP is fine the way it is.

Dojohoda · February 2018

No. Please no, this is pay to win.

Find some like minded people and do group dungeons every day along with other things that you do. That way, you would benefit, skill-wise, while earning a good amount of CP.

Velvelya · February 2018

No, and NO. Earn your stuff like everyone else had to.

klowdy1 · February 2018

jssriot wrote: »

The more ZOS makes it easier for people to level, the more people are going to demand it to be made easier. ZOS created this monster, which is why I continually complain about how easy it is to level up now, with xp pots, xp scrolls and xp events.

People are lazy and just want things handed to them. Meanwhile, those of us who have spent time getting to know how to play this game have to put up with these sorry people who level up a toon to cp160 in a few days, who don't know how to play their toon or have all their needed skills leveled but expect better players who have invested the time in getting good to carry them through a dungeon or a trial so they can get the monster helm or gear they want.Then they scream "CP elitist!!!"when you try to explain why they aren't ready and that they need to go learn how to play the game. I'm ****ing tired of this baby **** and I can't be the only one.

To be fair, *** parents looking to silence their children as opposed to create boundaries, or instill rules created the monsters. Entitlement starts at home, not in video games. The sentiment isn't lost on me, though.

KingYogi415 · February 2018

Thats a mechanic that a trash FTP game has.

Go play NeverWinter please and see how much u like it!

Tetrafy · February 2018

Honestly if it was the same rate all the way to 720 then sure. As it is now it takes a year to go from 400 to 500.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Well we already got research scrolls -p2w- imo i don't see why they can't add enlightenment scrolls a well.

You need more enlightenment? Log out for a couple of days, enlightenment still accrues on a daily basis up to the cap.

Huh, its almost like enlightenment is specifically designed for casual players who may only log in a couple days a week.

DoctorESO · February 2018

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?

All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days

4 days of how many hours per day? And how many Skyreach runs? Enough to make you want to quit the game out of boredom?

Im sorry to say it but literally four days 24 hours each day someone did a live stream after they where perma banned and they made a new account. They 100% no life the game for 4 days

No thanks!

Kalante · February 2018

pay to progress ≠ pay to win

if anything if you pay to progress you are most likely [snip] at the game because you did not bothered learning it. How is that pay to win? some people have no clue what pay to win is and they just throw the term out there making free to play games sound like the devil while there are actual free to play games that are good such as war frame and eve online, there was also dust 514 but it got shut down because the ps3 was old already.

if you don't know what pay to win or tell the difference from pay to progress just don't say anything.

[Edited to remove profanity]

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?

This needs to be said about every single one of your threads.L2P.

altemriel · February 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?

nope

AhPook_Is_Here · February 2018

Let them grind or quit like everyone else did, it's up to them.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2018

no.

just play the game ffs.

Unfadingsilence · February 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

Honestly if it was the same rate all the way to 720 then sure. As it is now it takes a year to go from 400 to 500.

It does not take that long just a few weeks ago someone did a live stream on twitch and went from 0 to 690 CP I just started grinding on PC this week and im at 500 CP

Aeph · February 2018

No way, I'm fairly new to the game and if anything I think I levelled too quickly and that was without even trying to. Simply through working through the DC questlines in order I hit CP160 in a matter of weeks of getting the game, yet I had no real knowledge of how to play the game well with regard to PvP, nor PvE content aside from the overland questing stuff. I've since learned and got a lot better but I could have easily continued to quest and quest and quest and hit the CP cap pretty quickly, or even just grind but still with no real knowledge of how to play large parts of the game well and that's without any boosts. Max level should be a sign that you're a really good player and that comes with time, or atleast should. You shouldn't be able to get there by paying your way.

xaraan · February 2018

another "please just give me what others have worked for!" thread again

There are two catch up mechanics already. One you get enlightened and two you need less xp to get a CP level the further you are from the cap. And you can buy XP scrolls in the crown store. So you already have to do a fraction of the work that others have. Not to mention it's about 10x faster to level up without any of that than it used to be as well.

Stop whining.

Mazbt · February 2018

It's very easy to make cp especially at lower cp levels.

idk · February 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?

I certainly would not look to a game like EVE for ideas to add to ESO. The games are so different not to mention that EVE is a P2W game in the purest and truest definition. The idea OP suggests would also tell new players that do not have the cash tp purchase CP to shove off.

Plainly a very bad idea.

There is a CP catch up system in the game already. While I think it needs to be adjusted to speed things up for newer players during the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the CP grind, there is one in game. Each CP costs significantly less at the beginning and requires slightly more XP per point as they gain more. Additionally the enlightenment that was the original system to aid casual and new players still exists.

While Zos adjusts the scale every time they raise the CP cap, I think it should be made more favorable by either scaling enlightenment so low CP players get more enlightenment or further reduce the costs scaling at lower CP levels. An easy change that has no negative aspects.

Tetrafy · February 2018

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

Honestly if it was the same rate all the way to 720 then sure. As it is now it takes a year to go from 400 to 500.

It does not take that long just a few weeks ago someone did a live stream on twitch and went from 0 to 690 CP I just started grinding on PC this week and im at 500 CP

And how do you do that without spending 100 dollars in exp scrolls?

Beardimus · February 2018

Pretty sure its a troll thread guys. But in case it isn't, flat no.

The day you can buy progression is the day I'm outta here.

You dont need CP anyway may all but the last 1% of PvE is a cake walk and the best PvP action is in NoCP hence Battlegrounds switching back.

VaranisArano · February 2018

I'm going to go for some dark humor here.

There was a CP catch-up mechanic. Unfortunately, its users are currently enjoying a 2-week suspension.

Juju_beans · February 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?

If you are such a casual player why do you feel the need to "catch up" ? And "catch up" to whom ?

Knowledge · February 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Pretty sure its a troll thread guys. But in case it isn't, flat no.

The day you can buy progression is the day I'm outta here.

You dont need CP anyway may all but the last 1% of PvE is a cake walk and the best PvP action is in NoCP hence Battlegrounds switching back.

I am being genuine and trying to provide helpful ideas for the game and its community.

Tasear · February 2018

Nah money can't buy true experience. Also at co 300 you can be end game competitive. It's not that bad.

Tandor · February 2018

I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?

Knowledge · February 2018

Tandor wrote: »

I've never understood why people who for example have played a game for 4 weeks think they should be on a par with people who've played the game for 4 years. What would be the point of devoting time to playing a game if the next player to come along could just buy the progress that you've spent time achieving through playing the game? Why does it bother anyone that they need to take time to reach that level of progress, why don't they want to play the actual game but instead want to buy their way through it?

It's not that it should be in two weeks I think you are misunderstanding. Let me help.

A player that just starts the game and plays casually will take upwards of a year to catch up to CP cap. This is frustrating for two reasons. 1.) They feel like they are underperforming (which is true because of math) compared to others at CP cap. 2.) There is a lot of elitism that prevents people with less-than-cp-cap CP from joining groups.