Reasons for dynamic population caps Vivec EU edition:

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2018

Its all about the points tally for PvD'ing when no one is about and you have PvD'd the entire map.... Let them have the AP for doing so but don't give them the faction points until such a time the populations of two factions get closer together and can make an actual fight over it... Increasing the tally as the other factions get close in populations.

This way the campaign lasts much longer than a week and they only get small AP ticks from defending in large numbers against much smaller numbers. Also the emp buff should follow the same logic........ Base the buffs the emp gets in the same way.

Derra · January 2018

The first day since we started (admittedly i wasn´t able to get pictures at the same time of the day) where the emp ring isn´t fully yellow.
WOOHOO.

Hymzir · January 2018

Derra wrote: »

The first day since we started (admittedly i wasn´t able to get pictures at the same time of the day) where the emp ring isn´t fully yellow.
WOOHOO.

It's Saturday. During the weekends Red and Blue players (who do have a life) can stay up later without worrying about waking up for work. It's the reason why I pretty much only play during weekends anymore.

I've raged enough times against the yellow horde, taken our scrolls back from them, dethroned their PVDoor emperor, crowned our own Emperor with all populations locked, driven them to their spawn zones and looted their temples during the weekdays.

When we start without anything, facing twice our numbers, and who have all the buffs, it's exciting for the first time, and an interesting challenge to do few number of times more. But when everyday you start at a significant disadvantage, facing a a foe that fields twice your numbers, and has all the buffs... Where nothing you do during prime time, when none of your achievements or conquests, mean a lick of difference as to who will ultimately "win" the campaign... Well that *** got old.

All I want is to have nice large battles, where each side starts from roughly equal footing. And as it stands now, the only time that tends to happen, is during Saturdays. But there are lots of other things that also tend to "occur" on Saturdays, and thus I play less and less and less.

ZOS really needs to do something about this ***. But we all know that it isn't gonna happen. PVP just isn't important to them in the grand $cheme of thing$, and thus it gets no resources allocated whatsoever.

MLRPZ · January 2018

WeyounTM wrote: »

there is a red or blue emp since 2 AM and you are receiving a warm welcome from Zerg Squad or the likes who defend BlackBoot or Bloodmayne.

Zerg Squad is raiding from 20h to 23h CET

WeyounTM · January 2018

MLRPZ wrote: »

WeyounTM wrote: »

there is a red or blue emp since 2 AM and you are receiving a warm welcome from Zerg Squad or the likes who defend BlackBoot or Bloodmayne.

Zerg Squad is raiding from 20h to 23h CET

Yeah I didn't actually refer to one of your big groups...but a few of you are sufficient to stop any attempt to retake a keep by some AD randoms

In any event....this morning I came to cyro while EP and DC still had 2 bars and I was hoping for some nice action and fights. Alas it was the same old again. Everybody seemed to get their AD toons out and at 6 AM there was a yellow emp again. Really boring and makes me sad

Derra · January 2018

Today i was able to cap a nice screenshot of the reason why the map looks like it does:

I was able to find a total of 6 EP players in the keep.
15 AD on the screenshot - 6 more were on the way up to chase me in the tower.

SodanTok · January 2018

After spending week of mornings on Shor, I fully support this idea. Either force everyone to play in one campaign (when its not full) or cap population and force them to join other. This picking if I want to fight blue emperor in black boot 3v10 or defend Glademist from blue 30v10 is really making me dislike Cyrodiil that is btw unplayable after like 16 CET more and more.

Derra · January 2018

SodanTok wrote: »

After spending week of mornings on Shor, I fully support this idea. Either force everyone to play in one campaign (when its not full) or cap population and force them to join other. This picking if I want to fight blue emperor in black boot 3v10 or defend Glademist from blue 30v10 is really making me dislike Cyrodiil that is btw unplayable after like 16 CET more and more.

Yeah it´s a shame that people are actively avoiding each other during off hours on EU instead of fighting all on one campaign.

Just to reemphasize here: Vivec EU AD capping the map is just the chosen example because i happen to play there. The same thing happens for DC on Shor and EP on Sotha.

Derra · February 2018

So this is the closing post of this topic as today the campaign closes with about this score:

AD 41000
DC 29000
EP 27000

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the result of temporary population imbalance on Vivec EU. I´ve tried to document a complete campaign cycle in the first post of this topic. 14 out of the last 16 campaigns on Vivec EU looked similar (only 2 were won by DC).

Is this really how you want your largescale campaign pvp to play out? How do you expect players to be motivated about participating or winning the campaign when it ends up like this?
Is this the game you envisioned?

It plays out the same on sotha sil and shor for the other factions. Population imbalances are harming your pvp and sooner or later it will be beyond repair.
I sincerely hope you´ll do something to save it.

Custos91 · February 2018

Derra wrote: »

It plays out the same on sotha sil and shor for the other factions. Population imbalances are harming your pvp and sooner or later it will be beyond repair.
I sincerely hope you´ll do something to save it.

Actually Sotha was not won by EP, EP came last and all factions were only a couple of points from each other^^

Subversus · February 2018

Derra wrote: »

So this is the closing post of this topic as today the campaign closes with about this score:

AD 41000
DC 29000
EP 27000

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the result of temporary population imbalance on Vivec EU. I´ve tried to document a complete campaign cycle in the first post of this topic. 14 out of the last 16 campaigns on Vivec EU looked similar (only 2 were won by DC).

Is this really how you want your largescale campaign pvp to play out? How do you expect players to be motivated about participating or winning the campaign when it ends up like this?
Is this the game you envisioned?

It plays out the same on sotha sil and shor for the other factions. Population imbalances are harming your pvp and sooner or later it will be beyond repair.
I sincerely hope you´ll do something to save it.

That's one scary looking outfit

Qbiken · February 2018

Subversus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

So this is the closing post of this topic as today the campaign closes with about this score:

AD 41000
DC 29000
EP 27000

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the result of temporary population imbalance on Vivec EU. I´ve tried to document a complete campaign cycle in the first post of this topic. 14 out of the last 16 campaigns on Vivec EU looked similar (only 2 were won by DC).

Is this really how you want your largescale campaign pvp to play out? How do you expect players to be motivated about participating or winning the campaign when it ends up like this?
Is this the game you envisioned?

It plays out the same on sotha sil and shor for the other factions. Population imbalances are harming your pvp and sooner or later it will be beyond repair.
I sincerely hope you´ll do something to save it.

That's one scary looking outfit

Was thinking the same

What style options is that? (Sorry for off-topic)

Subversus · February 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

So this is the closing post of this topic as today the campaign closes with about this score:

AD 41000
DC 29000
EP 27000

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the result of temporary population imbalance on Vivec EU. I´ve tried to document a complete campaign cycle in the first post of this topic. 14 out of the last 16 campaigns on Vivec EU looked similar (only 2 were won by DC).

Is this really how you want your largescale campaign pvp to play out? How do you expect players to be motivated about participating or winning the campaign when it ends up like this?
Is this the game you envisioned?

It plays out the same on sotha sil and shor for the other factions. Population imbalances are harming your pvp and sooner or later it will be beyond repair.
I sincerely hope you´ll do something to save it.

That's one scary looking outfit

Was thinking the same What style options is that? (Sorry for off-topic)

I would assume the chest to be something along the lines of daedric or xyvkin. It has that feel to it... but then again I'm terrible with styles hahaha

Derra · February 2018

It´s the power of clownstore

Biro123 · February 2018

Well documented, Derra.

But unfortunately I expect it to fall on deaf ears as usual - both Dev's and players..

Imho, a game is broken when the majority of players (ie pop-locked primetime) does not dictate the campaign winner, and it is instead dictated by a handful of PVDoor heroes.

I'm not sure pop caps are the way to go, but certainly the rewards system should change.. Campaign points should be based on population somehow.. perhaps based on the difference of the average populations for each faction during that tick...

And also the simple AP rewards from PVDooring an empty keep should also be based on population at that time.

Rewards should promote combat, not avoidance of combat. And then secondly, combat with equal opposition (the best fights are the even ones, right?)