Dragon bones DLC - EXP "exploit" why are INNOCENT people getting banned, exactly?

buggeymanb16_ESO · February 2018

I think its even more ridiculous and somehow sad how this community is reacting against each other just to defend ZOS at this point. In any other company, when people would use "bugs" from their product it would always be blamed on the company. They dont seem to have any legit quality testing, because this one here is just ridiculous to oversee and exploits are just a proof that ZOS made mistakes in their code so the first one to blame is always ZOS.

Alcast · February 2018

The definition of "innocent" seems to have quite a huge range

buggeymanb16_ESO wrote: »

I think its even more ridiculous and somehow sad how this community is reacting against each other just to defend ZOS at this point. In any other company, when people would use "bugs" from their product it would always be blamed on the company. They dont seem to have any legit quality testing, because this one here is just ridiculous to oversee and exploits are just a proof that ZOS made mistakes in their code so the first one to blame is always ZOS.

Sure it is on ZOS. Especially because this bug was not present on the last PTS patch. Them also stating they have not made any major changes from the last pts patch yet the whole *** game broke.

I still condemn people for exploiting an OBVIOUSLY not intended mechanic. (I am also sure people that actually noticed it and reported the bug and then stopped grabbing EXP will not get punished at all)

I am just sad for little Alfred that just bought the game and went into IC not know wtf was going on and might get a 3 day ban

I member same happened when people bought Morrowind, in that new Public Dungeon and got a new skillpoint everytime they killed one of the bosses in there. Most newbies prolly did not even know it was a bug and still got "punished".

Palidon · February 2018

This was your screw up ZOS don't punish the players. This entire new DLC is packed full of bugs. Another real winning job on your part.

LadyAstrum · February 2018

Not a fan of rolling back and inconveniencing a bunch of people for a mind-boggingly ridiculous bug that some ZoS employee caused. Plus, I wouldn't trust ZoS not to mess up somehow.

Voxicity · February 2018

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I am going to be so salty if I get a ban because my characters were still in IC from yesterday's grind. I didn't get any unusual exp though, so I hope I am fine.

This is EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH ZOS

A poor innocent guy who was logged in IC is now waiting anxiously to see if he's been banned or not. Simply because all they say is 'we are dealing with bans on a case by case basis'

No. You tell us what you are banning people for. None of this beating around the bush nonsense. These are REAL PEOPLE AND REAL CUSTOMERS you are dealing with. It is not right or fair to make people worried for their own account like this. Even if they did nothing wrong, who's to say you wouldn't just ban ANYONE who was even in IC during the bug. I wouldn't put it past you.

It's just like the AS bug from before. I was in AS when it happened, absolutely terrified if my account was gonna be taken from me or not, because there is just no transparency.

Whatever, I haven't even logged into Dragon Bones yet, so I'm fine. But you could be upsetting a lot of people (like this guy) with your wishy washy explanations.

And I know we ask for you to tell us what's going on, you could have just been silent about it and not said anything. But don't you think it would be better if A.) You ban people, then tell us AFTER that you banned people. Or

Tell us you are in the process of banning anyone who, for example, gained over 50 million xp, over 10 million xp, was in IC at the time of the bug, etc. At least then people could have some idea of whether or not they hit such numbers accidentally

Idk, I'm just salty from the outfit slots

Voxicity · February 2018

Also wtf is that stupid glasses emoji doing following me around no matter what variation of a.,.)) i try, bugger off!!!!!

knaveofengland · February 2018

will say this long time ago they had banned many players who was reported for cheating/bots/farming nodes , many complained to eso and they reversed thier decision . so tell your friend and anyone else to let them know so they can reverse thier decision .

xeNNNNN · February 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

This isn't even exploitative behavior lol.

Go to IC, kill a mob...get banned? GOTTA BE A FIRM, HARD LINE!

You haven't been reading then have you, missed out on the part where each mob net you 2m xp

And? The only thing you have to do to 'exploit' is travel to a zone and kill an NPC.

Broken as that is how does that classify as exploitative behavior?

Because it gave you 1 1/2 cp per kill and any right minded person would know that wasn't legit

and why should you get banned for it? seriously give me a legitimate reason. It effects nobody else but yourself. You are the only one gaining that exp and if you're in a group its only you guys exp is not a currency either and the CP is capped so there is no justifiable reason to ban anyone for this. If it was earning AP sure because Alliance ranks are a merit of time spent, levels however in this game are not.

Was it achievements? no.
Was it a busted skill? no.
Was it a busted passive? no.
Was it a mount issue? no.
Trials? no.
Dungeons? no.

But wait, if you remember people supposedly "exploited" to get achievements before and have not been banned. Oh and then theres the fact that EXP is probably the least important offence you could punish for and there are way more important things going on that they should be banned for but they just dont.

hell they've let so many off the hook for exploiting in PvP ive lost count.

So. Exactly why again should an exp farmer get banned? Simple, they shouldn't so long as they get the exp they earned taken from them and CP. That should be enough. Seems they are really doubling down on this new system they put in place and get rather annoyed when people ended up exploiting it yet what about new players who just happened across it? just going to get banned for playing the game. They should think carefully before banning anyone for this to be honest and yes I read Gina's post I am aware they haven't actioned anyone yet.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

If he noticed he gained 1 cp from one kill he should have backed out immediately, but if he was so close to leveling and that 1 kill would have leveled you anyway, the 2nd mob you killed and got a full level you know somethings wrong

I can't speak for the guy in the OP or for you; but I can speak for me.

The ONLY time I am aware of how many new CP I have to spend is just before I log out of a session and check to see if I need to spend CP.

CP is not something I look at while actually playing, it is part of the end of session "house keeping" routine I have.

All The Best

Lord_Eomer · February 2018

You should know fair policy enforces zos to ban such players and they have done right job!

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

It is an exploit though, the mobs weren't supposed to give you 1 cp per level, the legit xp was supposed to be around .2-.5% of a cp level per mob kill I believe, not 100-150%

It is NOT and exploit.

An Exploit would be a Player taking unusual actions to game a mechanic to obtain an end result different to that intended by the Game Designers.

Killing Mods is NOT an unusual action - in fact it is core to every MMORPG I have ever played.
When a Player kills a Mob they have 100% NO CONTROL over how much XP is awarded.
The XP is awarded automatically, and changing how or where the Mob was killed does NOT affect the XP so awarded.
Players were NOT exploiting anything. They were playing the game - as delivered by ZOS - 100% normally.

The ONLY people at fault here are ZOS - are you seriously telling me on one at all caught that Mobs were awarding too much XP during internal testing?

There's ONLY one way that could have happened - ZOS test the game using "admin commands" and so deliberately avoid testing the game in a "normal live" environment.

That would be extremely stupid of ZOS - but would explain there permanent inability to deliver a hassle free patch AND their inability to properly balance the game.

If they are not testing the game "how we get it" then there are serious problems with their QA processes and personnel.

All The Best

themaddaedra · February 2018

That. Thread. So. Many. Points. And. Commas. And. Capitals. And. Everything. I. Just. Can't. Read. Dis.

DoctorESO · February 2018

pattyLtd wrote: »

How idiotic to even have the nerve to treathen banning people for this.
ZoS should be ashamed of themselves, how on earth are you always able to break more then that you fix.

New DLC and talk of the day is about moar bugs as usual, LMFAO!

They did the same thing for Clockwork City DLC as well (the vAS HM exploit).

DoctorESO · February 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I am going to be so salty if I get a ban because my characters were still in IC from yesterday's grind. I didn't get any unusual exp though, so I hope I am fine.

This is EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH ZOS

A poor innocent guy who was logged in IC is now waiting anxiously to see if he's been banned or not. Simply because all they say is 'we are dealing with bans on a case by case basis'

No. You tell us what you are banning people for. None of this beating around the bush nonsense. These are REAL PEOPLE AND REAL CUSTOMERS you are dealing with. It is not right or fair to make people worried for their own account like this. Even if they did nothing wrong, who's to say you wouldn't just ban ANYONE who was even in IC during the bug. I wouldn't put it past you.

It's just like the AS bug from before. I was in AS when it happened, absolutely terrified if my account was gonna be taken from me or not, because there is just no transparency.

Whatever, I haven't even logged into Dragon Bones yet, so I'm fine. But you could be upsetting a lot of people (like this guy) with your wishy washy explanations.

And I know we ask for you to tell us what's going on, you could have just been silent about it and not said anything. But don't you think it would be better if A.) You ban people, then tell us AFTER that you banned people. Or Tell us you are in the process of banning anyone who, for example, gained over 50 million xp, over 10 million xp, was in IC at the time of the bug, etc. At least then people could have some idea of whether or not they hit such numbers accidentally

Idk, I'm just salty from the outfit slots

One of the problems with telling the thresholds for banning people though is that exploiters will better know how to avoid thresholds in the future.

SquareSausage · February 2018

Disgusting how so many players are turning on their fellow players who experienced a 'bug' when trying to play the game to collect telvar which is now required for housing storage. This is straight up ZoS F** up.

Remove their exp gain if it really matters so much, not ban, thats crazy.

idk · February 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We haven't begun actioning any accounts yet. If you're having an issue with your account (or if your friend is), you should submit a ticket on our Support page for our team to review.

No one has to defend Zos. This statement says they have not done anything yet. I would expect they would look at the impact this had and signs players deliberately chose to take advantage of the bug vs report it.

If it is anything so obvious as the vAS +2 exploit then I would expect bugs since that was clearly players deliberately and knowingly gaming the system. They certainly were not innocently doing something they felt was intended.

If this is significantly less than that I would expect Zos would take very different actions like maybe reducing XP on that character.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO · February 2018

Obviously, there is no friend, no one has yet been banned and this rant is purely over the principle.

Well my principle is that we all play this game and many of use choose not to exploit, so those that do exploit gain an advantage over those of us who don't.

"Ah" say the exploiters, "more fool you". Okay, we could have a free for all, just like we could allow drugs in sport, but we as a civilised society choose, or try to at any rate, not to.

I suggest that those who wish to choose the barbaric "free for all" do so elsewhere and not in ESO.

Beardimus · February 2018

I'd love to see this kind of data review and judgement on AP feeders / boosters...

gard · February 2018

Leandor wrote: »

Continuing to grind after noticing the amount of XP gained. And dinging a champion point every mob can't be overlooked.

And if first battle was a pack of trash? What, he's supposed to drop connection after the first kill?
You people are too much.

Things happen and bugs get introduced. How it's handled separates the good companies from the bad ones.

Slick_007 · February 2018

1.friend says they are banned. and that they were logged in today, exploited the xp bug - meaning they knew about it. though exactly when they knew we cant say.
2. ZOS havent banned anyone for the xp bug yet.

therefore friend has been banned for something else, or hasnt been banned at all

MrTtheDK · February 2018

I have over 1250 CP as a result of wasting months of my RL time playing content the traditional way. I dont care what others are doing with their account as the CP grind is terrible for new players and offers no benefits other than wasting time for people to even compete in end game combat. ZoS releases a bug and doesnt adequately test it to ensure said bug is not there. It is that Dev's problem and should be reprimanded as opposed to perma or temp bans on a player's account. The team leaders at Zenimax need to start taking responsibility for this game. Hire actual test teams. Compensate remote players to test your game (Dont pay thousands just to fly them to your studio as a PR Stunt). Invest in the game in a way that is not focused on just making a buck in order to prevent these bugs from being released. I can literally recite dozens of game breaking exploits from 1.6 on that were in the game for months/years for some. Rant over. Returning to RL.

gard · February 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If he wasn't logged on during the window then he has a legitimate grievence and could likely convince ZOS to unban his account.

If not, was his own lookout. Sorry. Cheaters are not tollerated.

But this isn't cheating?

Cheating, is typically involved with a 3rd party program, not something that for whatever reason was "programmed" into the game for a brief period of time.

Your confusing hacking with cheating, hacking is backdoor programs, cheating can be either hacking or exploiting

While cheating is apparently killing mob in IC.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2018

I do think it is sort of funny when you think about it. Say it was a bug that gave you 1 xp. Do you think they would have even fixed it by now? They certainly wouldn’t be talking about bans. Yet since the switch was flipped the other way it is the end of the world and these cheaters need banned.

Im not sure why. Oh no they leveled fast... I’m not sure why I am suppose to care. Or are we getting ready to sell max level characters in the crown store?

Tan9oSuccka · February 2018

Leandor wrote: »

Continuing to grind after noticing the amount of XP gained. And dinging a champion point every mob can't be overlooked.

I agree. It’s kind of like the wise guys that receive erroneous funds due to bank error. Then proceed to go spend like a baller.

Then they’re somehow surprised about the trouble they face.

Baffling.

Datthaw · February 2018

Let's be honest here. All you people who say "you should have reported it" I really, reeeally doubt you would have reported it either.

Valykc · February 2018

I don’t support cheating but can’t ZOS just reverse the content gains for the account? They created the problem, and I will not disagree that some may have exploited it, but I would much rather see any gains removed, rather than full accounts banned. It just gives me the feeling that we are all skating on thin ice and if we happen across some exploitable bug by accident, then we can still get accused of exploiting. I’m sure ZOS has data to separate those who continue to exploit and those that logged off. Who knows, I jut know what my opinion is and as buggy and laggy as this game is, I don’t think it’s worth the headache.

ZOS_Ragnar · February 2018

We are closing this thread, as it is perpetuating misinformation.

Just a reminder of Gina's post:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We haven't begun actioning any accounts yet. If you're having an issue with your account (or if your friend is), you should submit a ticket on our Support page for our team to review.