Game for Russian speakers

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

Russian voice acting of Ulfric Stormcloack by Sergey Chonishvili, for example.

Dear god. I don't want to sound offensive, but that didn't sound very good. Sounded very much like a stereotype vulgar person talking russian. Im pretty sure that a danish (my language) voice actor would have been just as awful in this case. It might even be hilariously funny and stupid to hear, now I actually want someone to do a danish voice acting of Ulfric! XD

to be fair ulfric was kind of a savage. Not surprising they might use a voice actor whose leaning into the villain-sound almost to the point of "caricature"

logarifmik · February 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

Russian voice acting of Ulfric Stormcloack by Sergey Chonishvili, for example.

Dear god. I don't want to sound offensive, but that didn't sound very good. Sounded very much like a stereotype vulgar person talking russian. Im pretty sure that a danish (my language) voice actor would have been just as awful in this case. It might even be hilariously funny and stupid to hear, now I actually want someone to do a danish voice acting of Ulfric! XD

It was my words, not Eremith's, so I'll reply. In my view, this particular voice is more suitable, than other Ulfric's voices I heard, partially, because of my understanding of let me call it "strong masculine leader voice", and partially because of the baby duck syndrome, which means it's first voice acting for this particular NPC I heard. Somehow or other, as I said before, it's debatable and there is no truth (in philosophical sense), because any judgment is based on a personal perception, alright? This example is out of topic anyway, so let it go for the... How it was? Ah, gods sake.

duendology wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I bet you met a lot of Russian players, but didn't get it, because they spoke in English.

Actually, I did. A) I am a Pole, B ) I like languages..SO, I can understand Russians quite well.

Можешь распознать русского, даже если он говорит только по-английски? Вот это воистину финт ушами! Научишь? Цены бы не было такому специалисту в службе госбезопасности.

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

Not needed. Most adequate players knows english well. And uneducated russians are extremely toxic. Even now the most toxic players are usually russian-speaking.

funny, such shade, about toxicity of all things, being cast by a person making such an egregiously stereotypical statement.

Well its actually true. Teenage Russian gamers have a VERY toxic subculture, unfortunately.
Not everyone is toxic, of course, but there's a very noticeable tendency.

Okay but nothing about Russians make them incredibily moreso than anyone else. You're willfully overlooking even your own recollections to confirm your bias in this matter, guaranteed. You simply notice it more because it's more of an outstanding occurrance.

I am an american, born and raised, and I can say for sure that I've had the more N words, F bombs, and jokes about my mothers purity thrown my direction from obvious native English speakers. But because that is so run of the mill we don't even consider that, it's the people with the thick accents who stand out like a sore thumb.. that stick otu like a sore thumb, in the average persons memory.

In fact if we're talking purely stats, I'd say I more frequently encounter outwardly and aggressively negative Americans than anything else out there. And I know I'm no exclusion from this, I have my moments-- go on plenty of obscene tirades. I seldom encounter Russians, and when I do it's not frequently a negative outcome. Maybe in f2p games which are like cesspools for toxic morons, but even then.. The turks are just as bad as the russians who are no worse than we americans but most of all it's the bolivians that *** ya off.

Hmm. I guess you're right, it all depends on personal experience.
I had a very bad experience with localized games. >.<

Thavie · February 2018

Nah, more reasons to learn English! A long time ago I was a translator on one of the fan-sites, now I do not care about translation whatsoever. Not that I don't have any issues with English anymore, but it was games that pushed me to try and talk to English-speaking people. ESO was a start, GW2 continued this work.

ssorgatem · February 2018

I wouldn't hold my breath for a Russian translation.

They clearly went for 2 most spoken languages in the EU (German and French), and later, and kinda surprisingly, Japanese.

Spanish and Portuguese would open a huge market over the Americas (and also Spain and Portugal, where the knowledge of English is far from stellar...), covering a population much bigger than French+German combined.

So I can't see them doing Russian before Spanish or Portuguese. Or even Mandarin, who knows.

And it doesn't look like they are going to do those translations ever, either...

Lysette · February 2018

duendology wrote: »

One of the reasons I don't play on EU server... rude and obnoxious Russian players..
I've got bad experience from other mmos

Hm, I am in a russian guild, whilst I do not speak russian at all. I came to that guild due to an invitation by a russian friend, whom I know from another game. Even I cannot talk much with these guys, I found them rather helpful and sharing and those, who want to learn english or better their english are quite nice to talk to - we communicate as well outside of ESO with each other about a variety of topics per email. I made the same experience in EVE with russians - I get along with them quite well, in the end we are all not that different, it is more a language barrier than anything else.

Serjustin19 · February 2018

EvilCroc wrote: »

Learn English already.

That's kinda un called for, Why do you think I adopted EU; if I from NA? No offense, but I just grew tired of other people. Whom Speaks English as Native language. Keep telling other people, whom don't speak English as there Native Tongue. To learn English, especially in County (12 1/2 years currently) I'm currently living. Which of course is mostly spoken in Español, Filipino, Chinese and English. In which English is the 3rd spoken language, whilst Español is main language. But also 4th language is Yakima language, which is not often spoken outside of the Yakama Tribe. Only rarely. http://www.native-languages.org/yakama.htm

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Learn English already.

No

I fully agree, I love playing EU (from United States) I love all the languages there and PvP. I've learned some French from both DC and AD. (20+words) but now since I adopted EP recently, in my campaign platform and server. I get to learn more words from 2, possibly 3 different language as well as English. German is mostly spoken on EP. But I heard learning German, is hard for us English Speakers. You know something? It's not gojng to stop me from learning German in PvP. Why, because I embrace all differint languages. I yern to learn, I'm an adventurer like you. Because I was meant to see the World and explore all cultures, beliefs, religon especialy the languages; to name the few.

ZeroXFF · February 2018

It would be great if it was done, but only if there was also a separate server for them. 50% of the time I see someone speak Russian in the dungeon finder groups, they turn out to be horrible players, both in regards to their performance and their attitude. Those who play well tend to know English well, and have no issue with the game being in English. Making a translation without making a separate server will make those players even more anti-social.

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

Lysette wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

One of the reasons I don't play on EU server... rude and obnoxious Russian players..
I've got bad experience from other mmos

Hm, I am in a russian guild, whilst I do not speak russian at all. I came to that guild due to an invitation by a russian friend, whom I know from another game. Even I cannot talk much with these guys, I found them rather helpful and sharing and those, who want to learn english or better their english are quite nice to talk to - we communicate as well outside of ESO with each other about a variety of topics per email. I made the same experience in EVE with russians - I get along with them quite well, in the end we are all not that different, it is more a language barrier than anything else.

Yes, Russian community is ESO is actually quite good. I was talking about dedicated RU servers of some other games.
My point is that maybe the lack of official ru servers/translation and EU prices keep the unadequate part of the community away from the game. This might be not very good for business as theres many Russian players, but... Well, its just an observation.

HappyLittleTree · February 2018

I'm ze german speaking player and zis is no problem for me zough.
Because ze german translations are very bad.

Nah for real the english version of games are most of the time way better than any translation...
Especially german...

drkfrontiers · February 2018

Yeah.

I support this - perhaps on a separate server too.

That way my chat window can be freed-up of eye-bleeding Cyrillic.

Meld777 · February 2018

lenar40484 wrote: »

The game is amazing! I did not have to enjoy such a variety in the game before. She wants to come back again and again. The only thing that repels is the lack of translation into Russian. There is an amateur translation, but I'm sure that it will not be complete, the more you announced 4 DLS in 2018. Make a gift in the New Year to the fans of the game in Russia, translate it for us.

(Игра потрясающая! Мне раньше не приходилось пользоваться таким разнообразием в игре. В неё хочется вернуться снова и снова. Единственное, что отталкивает - это отсутствие перевода на русский язык. Есть любительский перевод, но я уверен, что он не будет полным, тем более вы объявили 4 DLS в 2018 году. Слелайте подарок в Новом году поклонникам игры в России, переведите её для нас.)

What's the point translating the game into Russian? The majority of the player base doesn't speak it, and it's getting to know people from different cultures what makes MMOs special. If you wanna talk to Russians, you can find them on the street (considering you're from Russia). And, as someone else mentioned, it's a great opportunity to practice your English.

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DarkScatha wrote: »

I'm ze german speaking player and zis is no problem for me zough.
Because ze german translations are very bad.

Nah for real the english version of games are most of the time way better than any translation...
Especially german...

When I checked out the game in German, I was very impressed. They did a much better job than most single player games. Especially the voice acting is amazing. There are some translation exceptions, like "die gesegnete Feuerprobe" (Blessed Crucible), where it's like... wtf?

[Edited for profanity]

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Yeah.

I support this - perhaps on a separate server too.

That way my chat window can be freed-up of eye-bleeding Cyrillic.

Then there is an easier solution: /ru channel.
I mean, we even have Japanese channel, so why not.

logarifmik · February 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Yeah.

I support this - perhaps on a separate server too.

That way my chat window can be freed-up of eye-bleeding Cyrillic.

Then there is an easier solution: /ru channel.
I mean, we even have Japanese channel, so why not.

This! I already told about this solution in several threads. Can be done easily, I suppose.

Meld777 wrote: »

(Нахуя блядь?)

Не матерись, пожалуйста, камрад.

Lysette · February 2018

Serjustin19 wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Learn English already.

That's kinda un called for, Why do you think I adopted EU; if I from NA? No offense, but I just grew tired of other people. Whom Speaks English as Native language. Keep telling other people, whom don't speak English as there Native Tongue. To learn English, especially in County (12 1/2 years currently) I'm currently living. Which of course is mostly spoken in Español, Filipino, Chinese and English. In which English is the 3rd spoken language, whilst Español is main language. But also 4th language is Yakima language, which is not often spoken outside of the Yakama Tribe. Only rarely. http://www.native-languages.org/yakama.htm

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Learn English already.

No

I fully agree, I love playing EU (from United States) I love all the languages there and PvP. I've learned some French from both DC and AD. (20+words) but now since I adopted EP recently, in my campaign platform and server. I get to learn more words from 2, possibly 3 different language as well as English. German is mostly spoken on EP. But I heard learning German, is hard for us English Speakers. You know something? It's not gojng to stop me from learning German in PvP. Why, because I embrace all differint languages. I yern to learn, I'm an adventurer like you. Because I was meant to see the World and explore all cultures, beliefs, religon especialy the languages; to name the few.

Well, it is a bit like with french - there are more articles than just "the" - french has male and female - german has male, female and neutral. So basically things have a "gender" and that is not always logical and especially with stuff rather than people or animals this is just weird. I am a native geman speaker and I had to learn it as well, it is just not logical at all. Then there is the order of words in a sentence - it is not as strict as in english, and where you place the words will change the meaning of the sentence. That is why it is so hard to auto-translate to and from german - this "hidden" meaning is lost in translation. In german you can construct rather long words, which are generated by concatenation of words into one. The meaning of it comes natural to german speakers but might not be as obvious to those who want to learn the language.

Is it hard to learn it?- Well, I guess not really, if you have an open mind - and from your post, I think you will be fine learning it.

Enemoriana · February 2018

Но здесь же несложный язык... RuESO, опять же, пусть и не полное, но есть. Дополнения переводят активно, базу поменьше.
И это же шикарный барьер от агрессивной туповатой школоты. Ее и так многовато.

К тому же, хороший способ подтянуть язык. Я с ТЕСО стала читать/писать по-английски куда лучше, чем до этого.

But language here isn't difficult... RuESO, also, not full, but it exist. DLC are translated quickly, base game slower.
And that's great barrier to prevent game from aggressive stupid teenagers. There is already too much of them.

Also, good way to improve your english. I began to read/write much better with ESO, than before.

Enemoriana · February 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Yeah.

I support this - perhaps on a separate server too.

That way my chat window can be freed-up of eye-bleeding Cyrillic.

Then there is an easier solution: /ru channel.
I mean, we even have Japanese channel, so why not.

Yeah, that will be good. I want this for a lo-ong time.
Sometimes I'd also prefer less cyrillic in /zone : D

lenar40484 · February 2018

Гнилых людей везде много, как и американцев, так и немцев, французов. Гнилые везде! Школьников так же из любой страны много. Ваше обсуждение вообще ни о чём.
Я хочу наслаждаться игрой, а не пытаться выучить язык, спрятаться от дураков и школьников. Играя на родном языке можно понять игру намного глубже и шире. К примеру такие игры как Witcher, Fallout и Skyrim переведены, чем хуже TESO? ЧЕМ???

There are many stupid people everywhere, like the Americans, and Germans, the French. Stupid everywhere! Schoolchildren also from any country a lot. Your discussion at all about anything.
I want to enjoy the game, and not try to learn the language, hide from fools and schoolchildren. Playing in your native language you can understand the game much deeper and wider. For example, games like Witcher, Fallout and Skyrim are translated, the worse TESO? THAN???

Enemoriana · February 2018

lenar40484 wrote: »

Гнилых людей везде много, как и американцев, так и немцев, французов. Гнилые везде! Школьников так же из любой страны много. Ваше обсуждение вообще ни о чём.
Я хочу наслаждаться игрой, а не пытаться выучить язык, спрятаться от дураков и школьников. Играя на родном языке можно понять игру намного глубже и шире. К примеру такие игры как Witcher, Fallout и Skyrim переведены, чем хуже TESO? ЧЕМ???

There are many stupid people everywhere, like the Americans, and Germans, the French. Stupid everywhere! Schoolchildren also from any country a lot. Your discussion at all about anything.
I want to enjoy the game, and not try to learn the language, hide from fools and schoolchildren. Playing in your native language you can understand the game much deeper and wider. For example, games like Witcher, Fallout and Skyrim are translated, the worse TESO? THAN???

Объемом?

Школьников и, гм, неумных людей, конечно, отовсюду много. Но вот, честно говоря, большая часть оскорбляющих и матерящихся людей, которых я видела в чате - писали по-русски. Ну а чо, "тупые иностранцы" же не поймут, что их обложили матом.

И, серьезно, стоит подкачать язык - проблем с "наслаждаться игрой" не будет. Это не так долго и сложно, как может показаться.
Попробуйте не переводить текст (т.е. с поиском каждого слова и построением нормального русского предложения), а просто понимать смысл. Это очень разные вещи, и второе значительно проще - этот скилл качается куда быстрее и позволяет комфортно обходиться с текстом с энным количеством неизвестных слов.
Мне было сложновато читать, когда ТЕСО только вышла (играла с тех пор, но с огромными перерывами). Сейчас я лезу в гугл только когда пишу сама - проверить некоторые слова. Мой английской, конечно, не идеален, но его достаточно.

Amount of text?

And, of course, there are agressive and rude people from any country. However, most part of, well, not very good words I saw in chat was in russian. Those stupid foreigners will not understand it, yeah?

And, seriously, when you'll improve your english, there will be no problem with enjoing game. It is not so long and difficult as you think.
Try not translate, just understand - it is much easier and later it will not bother you even if you don't know some words.
It was a bit hard for me to read when I started play ESO. Now I use google translator only to check some words when I write. My english is far from being perfect, but that's enough.

Jayman1000 · February 2018

boggo wrote: »

Well, the english speaking world better prepares itself for picking up Mandarin. Welcome to the future!

I would think it quite reasonable to not see any English language support if I were to join a chinese MMO that were primarily played by Chinese speaking people. If Mandarin had the same international status as English, then your statement would be very precise. But as it is, this is not the case.

Jura23 · February 2018

Would be great if Russians didn't spam zone chat with long messages in azbuka. If you guys see these ppl online, can u ask them to stop? maybe they will listen to their countrymen.

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

lenar40484 wrote: »

Гнилых людей везде много, как и американцев, так и немцев, французов. Гнилые везде! Школьников так же из любой страны много. Ваше обсуждение вообще ни о чём.
Я хочу наслаждаться игрой, а не пытаться выучить язык, спрятаться от дураков и школьников. Играя на родном языке можно понять игру намного глубже и шире. К примеру такие игры как Witcher, Fallout и Skyrim переведены, чем хуже TESO? ЧЕМ???

There are many stupid people everywhere, like the Americans, and Germans, the French. Stupid everywhere! Schoolchildren also from any country a lot. Your discussion at all about anything.
I want to enjoy the game, and not try to learn the language, hide from fools and schoolchildren. Playing in your native language you can understand the game much deeper and wider. For example, games like Witcher, Fallout and Skyrim are translated, the worse TESO? THAN???

sorry about yoru luck, maybe get in touch witht he RUESO team and help them translate it

logarifmik · February 2018

Jura23 wrote: »

Would be great if Russians didn't spam zone chat with long messages in azbuka. If you guys see these ppl online, can u ask them to stop? maybe they will listen to their countrymen.

As it was several times said, ask Zenimax for a changes, /ru chat zone and fix of the Cyrillic script's font (a proper name for what you call "azbuka"). Don't blame the players, comrade. With such logic you can go further and blame saints Cyril and Methodius.

preevious · February 2018

Speaking from a french perspective, that allows me to have a translation in my native language.

Well, it would strike me as perfectly normal and fair to have a russian and a spanish translation. Actually, any player base big enough to justify the cost of a professionnal translation should get one. That's a nice gesture from a developper to his clients.

The issue at hand is not speaking russian in zoneChat, mind you (even if I don't see any issue with that .. if you want to see english, and just english, switch to the EN-ZoneChat and speak with nobody ^^)

The real issue is having all the quests, the storytelling, the ambiant NPC chatter, the bards's song in a language you can enjoy.
You see, I meet a lot of russian players .. most if not all of them are nice people, going to great length to try and talk to me in a language we both understand (and yes, the middle man is always english). And that, even if some of them are not very good at it.

So, I fully support having that russian translation (despite never using it .. russian seem like esoteric scribble, to me ^^).
I also fully support the right of the russians, frenchs, germans, japaneses, englishs to speak any language they deem fit in zoneChat. ZoneChat is not bound to a language .. regionalized zoneChat are.

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

Jura23 wrote: »

Would be great if Russians didn't spam zone chat with long messages in azbuka. If you guys see these ppl online, can u ask them to stop? maybe they will listen to their countrymen.

Well its actually not their fault that Russian font in ESO is so big and obnoxious and there's no /ru chat. Seriously, this font looks like its all in caps and theres a space after every letter. K I N D A L I KE T H I S.
Its especially weird since they only added Cyrillic font in DB update (I think?). It wasnt available from the start. So they could as well make a channel for it. Its not players fault that they didnt.
Anyway, there is a chat filter addon. I know its not a perfect solution but I hope that helps.

Morvane · February 2018

I'm ru user and I don't wanna more ru gamers here

ask why?
dont ask, you know

logarifmik · February 2018

Morvane wrote: »

I'm ru user and I don't wanna more ru gamers here
ask why?
dont ask, you know

Why?

Dromede · February 2018

Listening to english-speaking bands was a huge contribution to me learning the language. Playing this game taught me names of the trees and some crafting terminology (i.e. ingots - a word i'd never learn otherwise).

And I'll never forget the official translation of Sims Making Magic from 10 years ago that translated "Fire" as in to fire someone to "Flame" (Огонь). So original language for me from now on, unless it's a language that i'm completely lost at.

Morvane · February 2018

logarifmik wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

I'm ru user and I don't wanna more ru gamers here
ask why?
dont ask, you know

Why?

dont you know?

logarifmik · February 2018

Morvane wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

I'm ru user and I don't wanna more ru gamers here
ask why?
dont ask, you know

Why?

dont you know?

I have only one hypothesis, but it's based on the prejudice some dimwitted players have, and I don't want to spread such lies further. And you?