Game for Russian speakers

Betsararie

Why not learn English?

Milvan

People fail to realize that translated games sells more than english-only games.

Most of triple AAA in the past 5 years came with fully translated to several languages, including voice acting.

It's a shame tha ESO falls behind in this aspect as well.

Ermiq

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

having them asking in zone chat in their own language and expecting someone to ever even bother to reply gets annoying after 1st year...and im here since launch...

Well, I think you should try to be a bit more tolerate to foreigners.

They all have their right to speak their language, -especially- if they can't speak English well. Imagine, they're trying to ask something in English. You probably wouldn't understand what they're talking about (just like if they were talking their own language), and even I wouldn't understand what that Russian guy wants to say.
When they ask in zone-chat in Russian/German/Chinese/whatever, there's more chance to find someone who will talk to them in their language.
This game has international servers. Servers are not English nor German. They are INTERnational.

logarifmik

Eremith wrote: »

When they ask in zone-chat in Russian/German/Chinese/whatever, there's more chance to find someone who will talk to them in their language.
This game has international servers. Servers are not English nor German. They are INTERnational.

By the way, is there a Russian zone chat, I wonder? This thought never crossed my mind before, even when I know about language-specialized zone chats for officially supported languages, such as French and German.

Linaleah wrote: »

@ Logarifmik - fan translations, possibly. official translations though tend to suck, though I will say, a lot of that is just awful AWFUL voice acting. I'm sorry, I don't know what the heck happened to russian actors recently but so many of them still filming in russia are just... godawful.

If you referring to films, which were translated lets say 15-20 years ago, when there was no teams of professional voice actors, I tend to agree. But now situation is completely different. Voice acting is on a very high level. Sometimes voice of a Russian actor fits character even better then native one. It's completely my opinion, but check out a Russian voice acting of Ulfric Stormcloack by Sergey Chonishvili, for example.

Ydrisselle

logarifmik wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

When they ask in zone-chat in Russian/German/Chinese/whatever, there's more chance to find someone who will talk to them in their language.
This game has international servers. Servers are not English nor German. They are INTERnational.

By the way, is there a Russian zone chat, I wonder? This thought never crossed my mind before, even when I know about language-specialized zone chats for officially supported languages, such as French and German.

Nope, there isn't. French and German zone chats exist (also Japanese), but I have no idea how many people are using them - I assume not that much since there are always German and French guild ads and questions in the English chat. Or the people simply don't know that they have their own version.

Seri

Ydrisselle wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

When they ask in zone-chat in Russian/German/Chinese/whatever, there's more chance to find someone who will talk to them in their language.
This game has international servers. Servers are not English nor German. They are INTERnational.

By the way, is there a Russian zone chat, I wonder? This thought never crossed my mind before, even when I know about language-specialized zone chats for officially supported languages, such as French and German.

Nope, there isn't. French and German zone chats exist (also Japanese), but I have no idea how many people are using them - I assume not that much since there are always German and French guild ads and questions in the English chat. Or the people simply don't know that they have their own version.

I see the JP zone chat used on NA a bit. On EU i see a a mix of the various language zone-chats and everything (plus additional languages) in the 'global' channel. I occasionally see some people use the EN zone channel as well but that is rare :P

Linaleah

logarifmik wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

When they ask in zone-chat in Russian/German/Chinese/whatever, there's more chance to find someone who will talk to them in their language.
This game has international servers. Servers are not English nor German. They are INTERnational.

By the way, is there a Russian zone chat, I wonder? This thought never crossed my mind before, even when I know about language-specialized zone chats for officially supported languages, such as French and German.

Linaleah wrote: »

@ Logarifmik - fan translations, possibly. official translations though tend to suck, though I will say, a lot of that is just awful AWFUL voice acting. I'm sorry, I don't know what the heck happened to russian actors recently but so many of them still filming in russia are just... godawful.

If you referring to films, which were translated lets say 15-20 years ago, when there was no teams of professional voice actors, I tend to agree. But now situation is completely different. Voice acting is on a very high level. Sometimes voice of a Russian actor fits character even better then native one. It's completely my opinion, but check out a Russian voice acting of Ulfric Stormcloack by Sergey Chonishvili, for example.

I'm actualy thinking of the more recent games. last one I tried was Uncharted 4 and I just.. i cannot do this to myself anymore. and acting is not much better. every time I visit with my parents, they usually have one of the russian entertainment channels on TV in a background, and just... kill me. I don't know what the heck happened but acting is ... not what it used to be. and to be honest, the vid you linked? not a fan either. I have to strongly disagree that the voice fits better. maybe the problem is that acting style has changed overall? but.. i DID enjoy some of the recent movies still, so... don't even know anymore.

funnily enough those old school clothespin on the nose so that you cannot recognize the voice since those translations were not exactly.. legal - often did a better job catching the gist of the dialogue than what I have seen lately. there are always exceptions. but so far, from personal experience at least, they are exceptions not the rule

in any case, I suppose I really don't have much of a stake in this, and I suppose it would be nice to have translation that doesn't require running a mod, especially for console players. /shrug just... not convinced that it would be any better then existing fan made stuff contrary to OP's hopes.

logarifmik

@Linaleah, well, I guess it's just a matter of a personal taste, so I can't add something reasonable here.

grkkll

Magdalina wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

No offense to the russian people, but I think its time you guys adapt more to the rest of the world. I live in the netherlands, and dont get a dutch translation either (nor do I want to but thats a different story).

It's still not that common here to speak English well. To be fair, part of the blame lies on the educational system, while technically most people study English for 10(!) years at school it's set up so badly most people barely know how to say "hi my name is N" after that.

I do agree with you though, there're many other ways to learn a language, especially one as simple as English It's a LOT easier than Russian lol.

I speak French and Italian (not fluently) and I find its a common miconception among brits (who do not speak any other language) that English is a difficult language to learn. It is not. No genders for nouns, regular verbs are so simple and regular tenses also. There is irregularity but for conversational (or gaming) purposes it is lemon squeezy. I've met people who have learnt to speak it well from watching Sky tv with their native subtitles. I think the mindset in the UK is generally everyone should speak English and that is so wrong IMHO.

GrigorijMalahevich

grkkll wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

No offense to the russian people, but I think its time you guys adapt more to the rest of the world. I live in the netherlands, and dont get a dutch translation either (nor do I want to but thats a different story).

It's still not that common here to speak English well. To be fair, part of the blame lies on the educational system, while technically most people study English for 10(!) years at school it's set up so badly most people barely know how to say "hi my name is N" after that.

I do agree with you though, there're many other ways to learn a language, especially one as simple as English It's a LOT easier than Russian lol.

I speak French and Italian (not fluently) and I find its a common miconception among brits (who do not speak any other language) that English is a difficult language to learn. It is not. No genders for nouns, regular verbs are so simple and regular tenses also. There is irregularity but for conversational (or gaming) purposes it is lemon squeezy. I've met people who have learnt to speak it well from watching Sky tv with their native subtitles. I think the mindset in the UK is generally everyone should speak English and that is so wrong IMHO.

Americans do it more than Brits. I have never met an English person (I live in London) that thinks similiar to your expression... Brits know that English is one of the easiest languages to learn...

Rosveen

Woeler wrote: »

It's time for people to stop pretending speaking English isn't a mandatory skill in the modern world.

Speaking English well enough to communicate in a professional environment and handle everyday conversations with strangers? Yes.
Speaking it well enough to understand and enjoy a complex work of fiction on the same level as you would if you experienced it in your native language? It would be great, but we aren't there yet.

The purpose of game localization isn't only to convey the most basic meaning of the text you read. Like every other literary translation, it should also convey the nuances of the language: tone, wordplay, cultural references. It is much easier to enjoy all these things in your native language and they often affect you deeper (people tend to have stronger reactions to identical words/phrases if they hear them in their native language). This is why translation is important: it allows everyone to enjoy the game equally, without missing any nuances or reaching for a dictionary every five minutes.

Some people prefer to play in English anyway and practice their language skills that way. Others are already fluent and don't need or want a translation at all. This is all fine. But denying the same experience to others only on the basis of the infamous "git gud" argument, that's just petty. No skin off your nose if Zenimax decides to add another language version, so why do you want to force everyone to play in English? There's no reason why people shouldn't ask for a translation to their native language. Maybe they'll get it, maybe they won't (and the reasons will be financial, not linguistic) - but generally speaking, the more languages available, the more people can enjoy ESO. What's so wrong with this idea?

Stannum

Not needed. Most adequate players knows english well. And uneducated russians are extremely toxic. Even now the most toxic players are usually russian-speaking.

Insandros

lenar40484 wrote: »

The game is amazing! I did not have to enjoy such a variety in the game before. She wants to come back again and again. The only thing that repels is the lack of translation into Russian. There is an amateur translation, but I'm sure that it will not be complete, the more you announced 4 DLS in 2018. Make a gift in the New Year to the fans of the game in Russia, translate it for us.

(Игра потрясающая! Мне раньше не приходилось пользоваться таким разнообразием в игре. В неё хочется вернуться снова и снова. Единственное, что отталкивает - это отсутствие перевода на русский язык. Есть любительский перевод, но я уверен, что он не будет полным, тем более вы объявили 4 DLS в 2018 году. Слелайте подарок в Новом году поклонникам игры в России, переведите её для нас.)

I know your feeling, reminds me when i flew in DCS Worl and all the russian Aircrafts *** where Russian only, cuz the company is russian and they modeled russian stuff first :P

ManDraKE

I agree that being able to speak english is a must skill in life nowadays, but i would love to see how many of the native english speakers that say "learn english dude" can speak more than 1 language.

Rosveen

ManDraKE wrote: »

I agree that being able to speak english is a must skill in life nowadays, but i would love to see how many of the native english speakers that say "learn english dude" can speak more than 1 language.

To be fair, most (if not all) people who said it in this thread seem to speak English as a foreign language.

boggo

Well, the english speaking world better prepares itself for picking up Mandarin. Welcome to the future!

lenar40484

In my opinion, the authors of the game made a big mistake by creating a game for certain languages. For example, the game Witcher 3 translated completely into Russian, than the fans of the world The Elder scrolls worse? TESO is several levels higher than the Witcher 3, so the TESO game simply has to be adapted for a very large number of players around the world. I hope the authors of the game will hear the fans and translate into Russian and other necessary languages.

(На мой взгляд, авторы игры сделали большую ошибку тем, что создали игру для определенных языков. К примеру игра Ведьмак 3 переведена полностью на русский язык, чем поклонники мира The Elder scrolls хуже? TESO на несколько уровней выше Ведьмака 3, поэтому игра TESO просто обязана быть приспособлена для очень большего числа игроков во всем мире. Надеюсь авторы игры услышат фанатов и переведут на русский и другие необходимые языки.)

Magdalina

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

if not english what about other languages that are easier for OP to understand? maybe german/french? idk what the standard second language taught in Russia is

They teach(well, try to - see my post above) us English at school here. And honestly, English is a very simple language in terms of grammar, much much easier than German and French.

lenar40484 wrote: »

In my opinion, the authors of the game made a big mistake by creating a game for certain languages. For example, the game Witcher 3 translated completely into Russian, than the fans of the world The Elder scrolls worse? TESO is several levels higher than the Witcher 3, so the TESO game simply has to be adapted for a very large number of players around the world. I hope the authors of the game will hear the fans and translate into Russian and other necessary languages.

(На мой взгляд, авторы игры сделали большую ошибку тем, что создали игру для определенных языков. К примеру игра Ведьмак 3 переведена полностью на русский язык, чем поклонники мира The Elder scrolls хуже? TESO на несколько уровней выше Ведьмака 3, поэтому игра TESO просто обязана быть приспособлена для очень большего числа игроков во всем мире. Надеюсь авторы игры услышат фанатов и переведут на русский и другие необходимые языки.)

Although it is common to more or less successfully translate games/movies/whatever successfully, we can't keep expecting the world to adapt to us. Sometimes we need to adapt as well. In modern world, English is a tool. It's a global language with which you can easily travel(I HATE Russian tourists who go abroad without knowing 1 word in ANY foreign language and expect everyone to somehow understand them. They give whole nation a bad name) and be understood. It's a way to communicate with job colleagues from other countries without them having to learn Russian and you having to learn all of their languages if you happen to work in an international company. It's a way to get a different view on the world, ru-net and global internet often have very different views on different things happening in the world, different information sources, etc - that goes for everything from political news to travelers' blogs. It is, after all, a way to enjoy many many beautiful songs, poems, books and games in the full beauty of their original language:)

And games are a great way to learn/practice the language. I know some people who have significantly improved their English over the course of playing and now have (almost) no issues communicating with English-speaking folks. So there's no translation and to hell with it, why lock yourself in the "ru" world?

Хотя многие игры/фильмы сейчас и переводят(с переменным успехом), мы же не можем всегда ожидать, что мир приспособится к нам. Мы должны сами приспосабливаться. В современном мире английский - это инструмент. Глобальный язык с которым легко путешествовать(меня безумно раздражают русские туристы, едущие за границу, не удосужившись выучить ни одного слова, а потом ожидающие, что все их как-то поймут. Из-за них потом на всех нас косо смотрят). Английский - это способ общаться по работе с коллегами со всего мира, и ни им ни учить русский, ни нам все их языки. Это способ увидеть мир с другой стороны, рунет и англоязычная Сеть очень разные, с разными взглядами на мир и разными источниками информации, и это ко всему относится, от политических новостей до блогов путешественников. Это, в конце концов, возможность насладиться многими песнями, стихами, книгами и играми во всей красоте их оригинального языка.

И игры, кстати - прекрасная возможность этот язык практиковать. Я знаю некоторых ребят, которые, пока играли, существенно подтянули английский, и теперь нормально общаются с англоговорящим народом) Это же здорово. Ну нет перевода и фиг с ним, зачем запираться в своём "ру" мире?

Tervyn

And I would love to buy a Russian language pack. Simply to returning home from work not to sit with a dictionary.
And I don't understand people who speak play English because it's an international language and you have to learn it. Everyone must decide for himself what language he had to play. Especially since the support of french and German is already there and no one makes them play with the dictionary in hand.

А я бы с удовольствием купил русский языковой пакет. Просто чтобы вернувшись домой с работы не сидеть со словарем.
И я не понимаю людей которые говорят играйте на английском потому что это международный язык и вы его должны выучить. Каждый должен решать сам на каком языке ему играть. Тем более что поддержка французского и немецкого уже есть и их никто не заставляет играть со словарем в руках.

Jayman1000

You should learn more english, I say that without meaning any offense, I really mean it.
I had english in school for 10 years, and I learned very little from it. My English skills were mostly learned through gaming english games, watching english movies and reading english books. At some point in my life I turned off movie subtitles for good since they were just a distraction. And I don't think I have ever watched a synchronized movie, except in the case of the only genre where it's appropriate: cartoons or shows for kids (which I, as a dad, naturally gets to see a lot of).

Jayman1000

Eremith wrote: »

Russian voice acting of Ulfric Stormcloack by Sergey Chonishvili, for example.

Dear god. I don't want to sound offensive, but that didn't sound very good. Sounded very much like a stereotype vulgar person talking russian. Im pretty sure that a danish (my language) voice actor would have been just as awful in this case. It might even be hilariously funny and stupid to hear, now I actually want someone to do a danish voice acting of Ulfric! XD

Naerri

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You should learn more english, I say that without meaning any offense, I really mean it.
I had english in school for 10 years, and I learned very little from it. My English skills were mostly learned through gaming english games, watching english movies and reading english books. At some point in my life I turned off movie subtitles for good since they were just a distraction. And I don't think I have ever watched a synchronized movie, except in the case of the only genre where it's appropriate: cartoons or shows for kids (which I, as a dad, naturally gets to see a lot of).

My story in a nutshell as well.

Onigar

Well some serious attention to other languages is a must for a 24 hour 7 day a week MMO that has worldwide appeal.

Russian is a very important language. It can in effect provide a larger marketplace that the US.

As for me, I still remember some Russian, particurlarly one phrase from my teacher

я не хочу водки

for me I always felt the "не" was optional

LadyNalcarya

I dont care about translations, but I'm 100% against the idea of "Russian reservation" server. Those always go downhill really fast with all the p2w and tons of angry kids.

duendology

logarifmik wrote: »

I bet you met a lot of Russian players, but didn't get it, because they spoke in English.

Actually, I did. A) I am a Pole, B ) I like languages..SO, I can understand Russians quite well.

Don't judge the whole nation by black sheep.

You have a point there.

Twenty0zTsunami

Magdalina wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

No offense to the russian people, but I think its time you guys adapt more to the rest of the world. I live in the netherlands, and dont get a dutch translation either (nor do I want to but thats a different story).

It's still not that common here to speak English well. To be fair, part of the blame lies on the educational system, while technically most people study English for 10(!) years at school it's set up so badly most people barely know how to say "hi my name is N" after that.

I do agree with you though, there're many other ways to learn a language, especially one as simple as English It's a LOT easier than Russian lol.

I know what you mean, pal. Well, in a way-- I am a native english speaker, so not reallyfirst hand-- But I have plenty of "friends" from around the globe that I interact with in various games, some of whom I have kept in contact with for years. Many of them have tried ESO upon my recommendation and complained upon realizing their native language was not officially supported, even those fairly adept at the english language. Imagine how the fanbase might spread it if was officially available in more than 5 (?) languages.

But aside from that, I think you'll find the reason people haven't "learned", despite studying it for years in an academic setting is because it's not being used outside of that situation, and even then it's only being done to fulfill some requirement.

Anyone who studies a language and makes an effort to communicate with and use the language will inevitably come to understand it. I know of one particular Russian person, whom I I met through online games-- He speaks more sophisticated, and proper/formal English than most native speakers I know (And I am from the USA), but that was because on top of studying it for years, he made an effort to use it frequently--even going so far as hanging out at "english speaking clubs"-- Which I guess can be found in moscow-- Taking into consideration that this may not be an option for everyone, the internet is a also great tool for practicing it, you're practicing it right now by communicating with us and (hopefully) in trying to understand what we are saying in response.

Furthermore, fantasy universes, games, novels.. They often take words from a vast vocabulary so it can definitely be used as a resource for practice, although some of the better words, you will find, are a bit outdated.

Twenty0zTsunami

Stannum wrote: »

Not needed. Most adequate players knows english well. And uneducated russians are extremely toxic. Even now the most toxic players are usually russian-speaking.

funny, such shade, about toxicity of all things, being cast by a person making such an egregiously stereotypical statement.

LadyNalcarya

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

Not needed. Most adequate players knows english well. And uneducated russians are extremely toxic. Even now the most toxic players are usually russian-speaking.

funny, such shade, about toxicity of all things, being cast by a person making such an egregiously stereotypical statement.

Well its actually true. Teenage Russian gamers have a VERY toxic subculture, unfortunately.
Not everyone is toxic, of course, but there's a very noticeable tendency.

Twenty0zTsunami

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Stannum wrote: »

Not needed. Most adequate players knows english well. And uneducated russians are extremely toxic. Even now the most toxic players are usually russian-speaking.

funny, such shade, about toxicity of all things, being cast by a person making such an egregiously stereotypical statement.

Well its actually true. Teenage Russian gamers have a VERY toxic subculture, unfortunately.
Not everyone is toxic, of course, but there's a very noticeable tendency.

Okay but nothing about Russians make them incredibily moreso than anyone else. You're willfully overlooking even your own recollections to confirm your bias in this matter, guaranteed. You simply notice it more because it's more of an outstanding occurrence. The simple fact that it's an occurance with a foreign person, who sounds different and whose native language you don't understand marks it as so from the start.

I am an american, born and raised, and I can say for sure that I've had the more N words, F bombs, and jokes about my mothers purity thrown my direction from obvious native English speakers. But because that is so run of the mill we don't even consider that, it's the people with the thick accents who stand out like a sore thumb.. that stick otu like a sore thumb, in the average persons memory.

In fact if we're talking purely stats, I'd say I more frequently encounter outwardly and aggressively negative Americans than anything else out there. And I know I'm no exclusion from this, I have my moments-- go on plenty of obscene tirades. I seldom encounter Russians, and when I do it's not frequently a negative outcome. Maybe in f2p games which are like cesspools for toxic morons, but even then.. The turks are just as bad as the russians who are no worse than we americans but most of all it's the bolivians that *** ya off.

Twenty0zTsunami

or even triple post?