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✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Your screen will be spammed with level up animations or CP Earned messages with out noticing the xp still. No matter multitasking if you're that oblivious...
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭A big thank you to the community that blames fellow players instead holding the actual culprit, ZoS, and their lousy short sided deployment and testing. You are making their jobs and day much easier with your concentrated ire to ban players instead of holding your vendors feet to the flame for unprofessional delivery of a service.
FWIW: I have been cp 900+ for weeks and have not logged in today, just an inb4 “you are just trying to excuse yoursef out of a ban”11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »Perma ban everyone involved. This is on the same level of the VAS exploit.
The new standard was set then, "it was something obviously not intended, you should've known better".
So your trial group rolls up to the last boss of ZOS' hardest, newest trial and deliberately stands in this certain spot and proceeds to "fight" the trial boss in such a way that the trial boss doesn't fight back.
Obviously not intended. Correct response: Report the obvious glitch, don't continue to exploit the obvious glitch, don't whine when the rewards of said obvious glitch get taken away.
So you're in the Imperial City farming Tel Var when you realize "huh, that's not the normal level of exp gain." In fact, that's a huge rate of exp gain compared to every other content I've done (and no whining about new players, you have to be level 10 to go to IC).
Obviously not intended. Correct response: Report the obvious glitch, don't continue to exploit the obvious glitch, don't whine when the rewards of said obvious glitch get taken away.1 -
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✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Your screen will be spammed with level up animations or CP Earned messages with out noticing the xp still. No matter multitasking if you're that oblivious...
stop blaming players for playing a broken gameFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »It seems the Coldharbour house went on live priced 1 Crown, they forgot to change the price from the pts.
Now I wonder what will happen, are the people who bought the product for that price keeping it?
I have to say, had I seen that I'd have bought that house in a heartbeat and argued:
'Wait, what?? You mean that house wasn't 1 gold? No!!! C'mon, I was acting in good faith. I really thought, you know, Molag Bal, all the daedra, the smell ... I really thought that was the price.
I wasn't taking advantage of the Crown Store AT ALL."
LoL that's excellent :-)
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✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Your screen will be spammed with level up animations or CP Earned messages with out noticing the xp still. No matter multitasking if you're that oblivious...
stop blaming players for playing a broken game
Then definition of exploiting a bug is the same in every game. I've never played one with out bugs. You worried about a ban?
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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neverwalk✭✭✭✭I never see how much XP i gain, as it doesn't matter to me as i'm CP 938, what good does this expoit do me.0 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »There has been little investment, even some would say a blatant lack of investment in QA department in testing content before it is released.
Has been said, so many times, by me and many others. ZOS has constantly relied on paying customers to pay ZOS to work for them through buggy and exploited content and squander more time in documenting with videos and evidence to make ZOS job as easy as possible to address an issue with rushed out content.
There is/has been NO incentive for anyone who plays the PTS to tell ZOS anything they find. The majority of players have and will keep this information to themselves so they can solely profit off it for ass long as possible. This is not mere conjucture either, this is hard fact continually after every DLC release there has been mass exploitation.
Every title and achievement in ESO has been exploited at one stage. Poor platform ZOS had with the PTS setup/strategy.
To be fair, there is a thread stickied somewhere that is essentially an add for more Q&A folks because they are increasing the size of their Q&A team.
For trials
Anyways since when is it the customers job to report bugs? It's optional.
If you are merely playing the game and odd things occur..not our job and shouldn't be punished
If you do stuff that is beyond normal gameplay..then that's wrong..like leaving the map to dupe items..that's exploiting.
Getting to much xp playing exactly how you are supposed to play is not. Sorry to burst all the bubbles in here
I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?0 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds like most of you need to brush up on the TOS you agreed to. https://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms_us
There is no way any one of you can say you didn’t notice the XP gain was bugged. Instead of stopping, some chose to continue to take advantage of the bug. That is the definition of exploiting. That’s on y’all.6 -
Azarai✭✭Right. A lot of people in this thread keep calling this an 'exploit', which does not even seem to be correct. I am very hesitant to call people using the product in the intended purpose an exploit. It does happen, for instance a company putting up a 50% discount instead of a 5%. They might revoke the order and apologize, but punishing customers for an issue that occurs with normal use seems backwards.
And as for the VAS comparison, also not completely accurate. The exploit involved using a game issue NOT in the intended way, DPSing the boss from where it could not hurt back. Can anyone point out where people were using the system in a way not intended to be played? You are not 'exploiting' the game by playing it as you normally should be.2 -
Jadokis✭✭✭The bank left this money out on accident. I guess it belongs to me now because the bank messed up, I did nothing wrong in taking it.
The mentality of lots of people in this thread. ^
It's a basic concept and just because it's in an online game that doesn't change.
"Hey let me try to grasp at straws and try to make a relevant argument that isn't relevant at all because I fail to understand basic logic!"
^ Your mentality
Is it wrong? The XP was bugged. Intentionally abusing a bug is an exploit. Just because you don't like being proven an idiot, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395122/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-2-12-18-3-20pm-est#latest
Dear ZoS,
It's time for you to hire an actual QA department to test these things and stop relying on your broken system of crowd sourcing beta testers from the player base. It's not working.
You screwed up the most basic and fundamental part of the game, which is gaining EXP. And because of YOUR screw up, now you're threatening players who did nothing but gain EXP on the new characters you effectively forced them to make due to your short-sighted decision to not make your new level up system retroactive?
This isn't an exploit. This is your screw up. And nobody's account should be in danger of having a bad mark on it or banned because of it.
If you kill a mob in IC and it grants you ONE POINT NINE MILLION XP and you don’t immediately report that, but keep on farming, that’s on you, sorry. Can’t chalk that up to sheer cluelessness.
Oh. Okay, yeah, that's... uh... that's a bit much.2 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As a premier VIP player I expect that I will keep the 892 CP I earned today as I am in fact the original champion of Imperial City and the 73x Lord Emperor of Cyrodiil.
I also expect some sort of crown compensation for this inconvenience of downtime.14 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As long as you report it you can still abuse it. Claim you were testing it. That is how most exploits go.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭✭✭I hate exploits , cheaters of all kinds, but ZOS, this is your screw up. You can't blame people for it.3 -
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Why is not paying attention deemed a valid excuse.Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
If this is how you really feel, you should get banned twice, just on principle. Think of all that extra time you'll then have to watch movies without the distraction of the game in your way.
Sorry, but if your IQ is at least in the high double digits, you knew something was off.
On a related side note though, how the hell does something like this accidentally end up in a live patch? Which part of the patching process is so off that this can ever occur?
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on February 12, 2018 9:47PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS4 -
GCVDJ11T✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »It seems the Coldharbour house went on live priced 1 Crown, they forgot to change the price from the pts.
Now I wonder what will happen, are the people who bought the product for that price keeping it?
I have to say, had I seen that I'd have bought that house in a heartbeat and argued:
'Wait, what?? You mean that house wasn't 1 gold? No!!! C'mon, I was acting in good faith. I really thought, you know, Molag Bal, all the daedra, the smell ... I really thought that was the price.
I wasn't taking advantage of the Crown Store AT ALL."
Not defending people buying it.. however remember when the daedric thrones came out for 1 gold. ZOS didn't say that was a mistake they said it was suppose to be 1 gold. That house is a flat piece of land with nothing but rocks on it. I can see it being worth 1.2 -
Jadokis✭✭✭A big thank you to the community that blames fellow players instead holding the actual culprit, ZoS, and their lousy short sided deployment and testing. You are making their jobs and day much easier with your concentrated ire to ban players instead of holding your vendors feet to the flame for unprofessional delivery of a service.
FWIW: I have been cp 900+ for weeks and have not logged in today, just an inb4 “you are just trying to excuse yoursef out of a ban”
No one should be banned, but that's not to say it isn't wrong and the XP should be removed. Also these things happen for every game, not just ZOS. Just because ZOS has been much more relaxed in their enforcement methods doesn't mean people somehow deserve to cheat the system.2 -
eirinnpryderi✭✭✭There's also the complicating factor of addons.
Many addons show the xp gain in a small sidebar, with truncated numbers. I use Dustman - all it shows is +4k gold, 1.9k XP, etc.
From the example screen someone posted here, it was a gain of 1.9 million instead of say 1.9k or 19k.
The problem is if you're past 690 CP already, it's not unreasonable to just ignore the side messages, especially when all it would say is 1.9Here come all the people with their excuses, claiming how they didn't notice because of bla bla bla.
To you the OP and the 14 ppl I saw Agree to this comment, let me ask a logical question -
Why should a player be punished for 'not noticing' xp gains when ZOS QA didn't either?
Now let me be clear - I'm positive there has to be -SOME- players that noticed, made the connection in brain this is clearly not intended or probably not intended, and either stopped or kept going. But point is they noticed, made the connection, and made a decision.
But what you seem to not be able to comprehend is the possibility that -SOME- players had the same or less observation that a paid staff of professionals who are presumably trained, expected, and is their job to spot things like this.
I agree re: punishing offenders of exploits. But you can't separate players in the same net in this case because of the magnitude of ZOS screwup.
The amount of XP awarded PER KILL was enough to get multiple levels on a single kill. At around current CP cap it was enough to award you roughly one CP per kill.
Some reported going from CP160 to 720 in a matter of minutes.
If you are too oblivious to notice this you have much bigger problems than the incoming bans.
As for QA, this was not happening on the test server, so when would they have noticed it?
The definition of exploiting is taking advantage of a bug to gain something. This is an exploit. End. of. Story.
I'll assume you've never been or have no experience with software development - that's fine and not a dig on you.
So re: "As for QA, this was not happening on the test server, so when would they have noticed it?" -
a) the test server which I presume you refer to PTS server is for the public facing audience, e.g. us (as well as QA that test in a live environment).
b) Devs, including QA, have internal staging / test / build servers - where various revisions are tested, including what used to be in the old days of actual hard copy CD-ROM sales of games the 'golden master' or final release build prior to printing out millions of copies.
c) The last PTS revision was v3.3.4. What came out on live today was v.3.3.5.
Therefore, prior to pushing out -LIVE- this revision v3.3.5, a reasonably competent dev team would have made a build of that 3.3.5 version internally, staged it somewhere, and tested it.
The reason to do full regression testing on the olden days of golden masters was obvious - back then a screw-up not caught before printing millions of CD-ROMS, packaging, etc was rather costly to correct. Now it is all digital downloads and lot easier t0 distribute fixes.
So when would they have noticed it you ask? On the last 'golden master' build they created and staged internally before doing a live push. If they did not do this, then double shame on ZOS.
re: punishing for exploiting and 'end of story' - you seem to be confusing that I agree with you that exploiting is wrong and should be punished. But what you've not adequately explained is how you separate in the same net of players those who made the connection of xp gain = exploit and those who just raced to madly farm telvar we were all just told is the shiny new resource we need.
You state and assume players would obviously notice these large xp gains that give 1 CP or more per kill. I disagree. I think it's entirely possible and logical that max cap CP players would barely notice how many CP gains they got because it has become entirely irrelevant long ago. Some would and did. Some didn't. You're excluding the possibility the latter can happen and lump everyone with the former.
Totally agree, my CP hit above 720 way before the patch, uninstalled all my exp tracking addons a long ago too, if i had go there with any of my characters and a group wouldnt have noticed it until who knows when1 -
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✭Well. Seems like I missed all the fun today lol. Logged in earlier and made an outfit and then went back to sleep. Wake up, grab some coffee, and the game is down. Was it really giving millions of xp per kill? That is actually really funny in a bad sort of way. I can't imagine not noticing something like that. I would panic, report it, and log off. I'm slightly too invested in this game to risk getting myself banned.PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts0 -
nathan_bri✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Your screen will be spammed with level up animations or CP Earned messages with out noticing the xp still. No matter multitasking if you're that oblivious...
stop blaming players for playing a broken game
No one is blaming players for a playing a so-called “broken game.” They are blaming players for exploiting a bug. I stand with them. Permanent bans for any cheaters found, just like with the VAS exploit. If you are one of them, then I hope you get banned too.Edited by nathan_bri on February 12, 2018 9:49PM4 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭nathan_bri wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Your screen will be spammed with level up animations or CP Earned messages with out noticing the xp still. No matter multitasking if you're that oblivious...
stop blaming players for playing a broken game
No one is blaming players for a playing a so-called “broken game.” They are blaming players for exploiting a bug. I stand with them. Permanent bans for any cheaters found, just like with the VAS exploit. If you are one of them, then I hope you get banned too.
Bruh, go outside take a breath and chill.1 -
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✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395122/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-2-12-18-3-20pm-est#latest
Dear ZoS,
It's time for you to hire an actual QA department to test these things and stop relying on your broken system of crowd sourcing beta testers from the player base. It's not working.
You screwed up the most basic and fundamental part of the game, which is gaining EXP. And because of YOUR screw up, now you're threatening players who did nothing but gain EXP on the new characters you effectively forced them to make due to your short-sighted decision to not make your new level up system retroactive?
This isn't an exploit. This is your screw up. And nobody's account should be in danger of having a bad mark on it or banned because of it.
It was the IC exploit not regular leveling0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Has anyone come forward with an honest account of how many levels/cp that they earned?0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a premier VIP player I expect that I will keep the 892 CP I earned today as I am in fact the original champion of Imperial City and the 73x Lord Emperor of Cyrodiil.
I also expect some sort of crown compensation for this inconvenience of downtime.
I love you... no *** but umm ya OMG someone should have told kodipvp about this bug.............0 -
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✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »It seems the Coldharbour house went on live priced 1 Crown, they forgot to change the price from the pts.
Now I wonder what will happen, are the people who bought the product for that price keeping it?
I have to say, had I seen that I'd have bought that house in a heartbeat and argued:
'Wait, what?? You mean that house wasn't 1 gold? No!!! C'mon, I was acting in good faith. I really thought, you know, Molag Bal, all the daedra, the smell ... I really thought that was the price.
I wasn't taking advantage of the Crown Store AT ALL."
Indeed...
Well I really want to know if ZOS consider this too an exploit
or they got screwed over this and are forced to leave the product to the ones who bought it.
Digital content market is still shady and much undefined but this time around they could get the shaft.
lll
"I really don't know who the **** came off with this change. Definitely somebody who does not play the game, that's for sure".
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