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"Please note that anyone found exploiting will be handled on a case-by-case basis."
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SolidusPrime✭✭✭✭Translation:
"We won't actually be doing anything to these players, or investigating anything. But we don't want all of the people that didn't exploit to rage out."
Cmon guys. They have no way of telling if alllll of these people were there because they heard of the exploit, or just happened to be going through the dungeon multiple times. I NEVER pay attention to the amount of XP I'm getting. Nothing is going to happen besides a fix.12 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It depends on the severity of the exploit.
If the player killed maybe 1 or 2 monsters and then found out the experience gain is huge and backed away and reported it, maybe they can ignore this and not ban him.
But if the player continued to kill many monsters after realizing it is an exploit, he should be banned.
Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭Oh no, does this mean I'll get banned and lose all that XP I got for killing a whole three sabre cats before the server got flushed and went swirling?
...bollocks..."In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
Forsaken Red Mountain, Twisted Kin;
Hail the Mind, Hail the Stone;
Dwarven Pride, Stronger than Bone"
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »Were they getting more XP than normal?
I haven't had time to make a new character yet today, so I don't know. If so, then how would they know someone was "exploiting" it and not just playing normally like they always do?
People are always farming XP on those dolmens. If they were doing that today, they might not have noticed an extra XP gain. Although, if the extra XP was something really super obvious like getting a million XP per second, then they'd notice it after a time.
single kills were enough to gain multiple levels, it was so much it would be noticeable to anyone with the slightest clue how XP works normally in this game.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hopefully they don't sweep up players grinding telvar for the new storage containers.
Though I'm hard press to see how bad this exploit could have been, if the rumors are correct, you would need a fresh account of level 10s to maximize it for a fair amount of gold and mats. And after that you run into the delete limit.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭
Let me guess, when you saw the insane XP gain you just kept going. No, that is an exploit. It's one thing if you did it once, saw that, then stopped knowing it was not right. But if you try to get as much as possible before they fix it, yeah LOL. See you in a few days or a week or so after your ban time is up. They'll probably remove the XP too, and they should. Exploiters should not be allowed to keep what they exploited.This isn't an exploit. This is your screw up. And nobody's account should be in danger of having a bad mark on it or banned because of it.
Bc no one has a 2nd screen where they watch tv or movies while they are mindlessly grinding. Thats totally not a thing.7 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In the past, ZOS has given exploiters a slap on the wrist and allowed them to keep their ill-gotten gains.
As for the people that actually used cheat engine in PvP. Some of them got "permanent" bans but "permanent" only meant that their account was deleted and they were welcome back in the game under new accounts that flaunted their old names so they could still benefit from their past notoriety.
I think ZOS needs to be more transparent about what constitutes exploiting and the variety of punishments for it so we are all on the same page.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on February 12, 2018 8:50PM9 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭There has been little investment, even some would say a blatant lack of investment in QA department in testing content before it is released.
Has been said, so many times, by me and many others. ZOS has constantly relied on paying customers to pay ZOS to work for them through buggy and exploited content and squander more time in documenting with videos and evidence to make ZOS job as easy as possible to address an issue with rushed out content.
There is/has been NO incentive for anyone who plays the PTS to tell ZOS anything they find. The majority of players have and will keep this information to themselves so they can solely profit off it for ass long as possible. This is not mere conjucture either, this is hard fact continually after every DLC release there has been mass exploitation.
Every title and achievement in ESO has been exploited at one stage. Poor platform ZOS had with the PTS setup/strategy.7 -
Zipadeedoodah✭✭✭Case by case means if you breezed through the districts doing pre-quests and went on your merry way to your next task of farming caltrops in overland or something along that line... nothing is going to happen to you because you weren't deliberately trying to exploit.
If you saw that you were gaining massive amounts of xp and stayed there grinding for 3+ hours b/c you recognized ZoS messed up and you wanted to take advantage of it, then you deserve to have that xp removed AT THE VERY LEAST. Exploiters should never be allowed to keep their ill gotten gains. This kind of behavior is against the ToS, and I hope ZoS takes a strong stance against the players who are in clear violation.6 -
Buddheia✭✭✭Explain the exploit to me again... killing mobs? that was it? How is this in any way an exploit from the end user if the xp gains are screwed up in the code?11
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I suppose it's about NA players.
We EU players got 30 something minutes server uptime, not much to "exploit" ;-)5 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »Were they getting more XP than normal?
I haven't had time to make a new character yet today, so I don't know. If so, then how would they know someone was "exploiting" it and not just playing normally like they always do?
People are always farming XP on those dolmens. If they were doing that today, they might not have noticed an extra XP gain. Although, if the extra XP was something really super obvious like getting a million XP per second, then they'd notice it after a time.
There’s a screenshot floating around where someone got 1.9m (million) XP from killing a mob in IC. That’s a bit more than could ever be considered normal lol. Even at CP cap that would be 2-3 points immediately.4 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I suppose it's about NA players.
We EU players got 30 something minutes server uptime, not much to "exploit" ;-)
It is
It was limited to specific zone(s) and it was an insane amount of XP (in the millions) per single kill
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Hadn't stepped foot in IC today so I have no skin in this game. Bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters and will get 8th one later leveling new char.
But imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.
1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage
2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave
3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.
How reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar they were just told is what new storage crates are locked behind because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?
ZOS handing out punishment when they screwed the pooch on QA, --AND-- tied a major new update feature to a resource they just told players to go farm, seems illogical when on day 1 of launch players naturally enough go straight to IC and start farming telvar like mad.
Bottom line - ZOS screwed up, the only punishments they need to hand out is whoever somehow missed the XP gains bug in IC.
**And lets just examine that in perspective --> if ZOS punishes a player for 'not noticing' they were getting larger than pre-patch XP gains, how do they explain their own QA 'not noticing' the same?20 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
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Didn't bother leaving Riften but you keep on with the assumptions
Then why do you care? Not buying it.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso1 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
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Ah. Yes, they'd definitely notice that.single kills were enough to gain multiple levels, it was so much it would be noticeable to anyone with the slightest clue how XP works normally in this game.
I'm CP 690, and did three undaunted delves today. I don't pay attention to how much XP I get any more, because there's no reason for me to pay attention to it. If I'd been on a new character, though, I definitely would have noticed that, though.
Edited by SydneyGrey on February 12, 2018 8:53PM7 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Sorry..zos fault..they don't punish themselves when they screw up.
They can't even follow through on thone daily box things people didn't get.
Should have just took the servers down..fix expmoit..roll back those who got it and move on
Why would you stop playing because there is an xp bug? They don't expect you to stop playing if the bug hurts you instead of helps you. I don't stop playing because an important rift quest isn't spawning the npc even after multiple abandons
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sigh. Time to pull out the TOS again.
"8. RULES OF CONDUCT
You agree not to use any Service to:
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Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;"
So was this a glitch/problem caused by ZOS?
Yes.
Does that in any way change the responsibility of players to report that glitch/problem and to cease to use it once discovered?
Nope. You sign the TOS, you agree to not exploit the game and to report glitches and exploits when you find them. If you don't report the exploits/glitches that you find and instead continue to benefit from them, you get to deal with whatever consequences ZOS dishes out (as in the recent situation with trials players cheesing the boss fight in Asylum Sanctorium, where these exact excuses were used, to no avail.).9 -
Jinazai✭✭✭Too few know what 'exploit' means.
Just because its there doesnt mean you can do whatever you want.Edited by Jinazai on February 12, 2018 9:10PMIf i can endure the inane prattle in chat, I can survive your assuredly erudite eluciations. Proceed.5 -
Taysa✭✭✭✭✭
Didn't bother leaving Riften but you keep on with the assumptions
Then why do you care? Not buying it.
Because I've watched ZoS not give two *** about legitimate exploiting in Cyrodiil for the past two years, allow previously banned cheat engine users to come back (sometimes on their old accounts), and to punish someone for something they screwed up that was discovered within the first couple of hours the servers have been back up is ridiculous.5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.4 -
crowfl56✭✭✭✭✭LOL the peeps that got all bent with fear of loseing some ill gotten way, u just tagged yourselves.
But, really isn't all that big of a deal.
Now if it been left hidden and now exploited, whole different story.
Go back to having fun.Edited by crowfl56 on February 12, 2018 8:56PM3 -
DivineFirstYOLO✭✭✭✭I don't want to go into depth but if you kill a single mob and get 400k exp or more.. that's how you know it's a bug.. and if people farmed massive amounts of XP (im not talking about people who killed some mobs by "mistake") then you deserve to get punished. In the 30 mins the server was up, most people where either at the dye station, in one of the new dungeons, buying motifs or in cyro.
If you haven't done one of those 4 things and if you got a load (a *** ton, not 1 mil) of XP then you are suspicious.Zerg Squad
Godslayer x 4
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Ah. Yes, they'd definitely notice that.single kills were enough to gain multiple levels, it was so much it would be noticeable to anyone with the slightest clue how XP works normally in this game.
I'm CP 690, and did three undaunted delves today. I don't pay attention to how much XP I get any more, because there's no reason for me to pay attention to it. If I'd been on a new character, though, I definitely would have noticed that, though.
It was enough your CP level up would have been popping up on nearly every kill
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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Marabornwingrion✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Remember when there was a bug in public dungeon in Bangkorai, everytime when you killed boss there you were getting 1 skill point?
There were people abusing this bug and killing the boss over and over, but there were also people who found this bug by accident and reported it immediately.
What Zenimax did? They banned EVERYONE. They didn't check who was exploiting it and who wasn't.
So I think in this case will be exactly the same. They will only check who got a lot of XP and they will ban everyone.
I don't believe in that "Please note that anyone found exploiting will be handled on a case-by-case basis." BS.
And that's sad because there may be new players who just started the game and didn't even know that they're levelling faster than they should. I hope ZOS will not punish innocent people, new players especially.8 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Here come all the people with their excuses, claiming how they didn't notice because of bla bla bla.
To you the OP and the 14 ppl I saw Agree to this comment, let me ask a logical question -
Why should a player be punished for 'not noticing' xp gains when ZOS QA didn't either?
Now let me be clear - I'm positive there has to be -SOME- players that noticed, made the connection in brain this is clearly not intended or probably not intended, and either stopped or kept going. But point is they noticed, made the connection, and made a decision.
But what you seem to not be able to comprehend is the possibility that -SOME- players had the same or less observation that a paid staff of professionals who are presumably trained, expected, and is their job to spot things like this.
I agree re: punishing offenders of exploits. But you can't separate players in the same net in this case because of the magnitude of ZOS screwup.2 -
Octopuss✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand what this part of the message even means. They are fixing XP not being received. What exploit are they even talking about? Am I missing something here?Edited by Octopuss on February 12, 2018 9:01PM0
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Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
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Didn't bother leaving Riften but you keep on with the assumptions
Then why do you care? Not buying it.
Because I've watched ZoS not give two *** about legitimate exploiting in Cyrodiil for the past two years, allow previously banned cheat engine users to come back (sometimes on their old accounts), and to punish someone for something they screwed up that was discovered within the first couple of hours the servers have been back up is ridiculous.
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OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Players should know by now that anything that is beyond normal is a bug and bugs cannot be exploited. Just like VaranisArano said, it's in TOS. If I had run into this XP bug and not read something about it in natch potes then I would have reported it and then either logged off or just did stuff that didn't gain me XP.
I heard players were posting this stuff on Discord and sharing how to get this glitch and all this. LoL, you can't post exploits on YouBook and FaceTube (on purpose, my poor attempt at humor) and all of that crap and expect ZOS not to notice you taking advantage of exploits.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hadn't stepped foot in IC today so I have no skin in this game. Bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters and will get 8th one later leveling new char.
But imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.
1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage
2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave
3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.
How reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar they were just told is what new storage crates are locked behind because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?
ZOS handing out punishment when they screwed the pooch on QA, --AND-- tied a major new update feature to a resource they just told players to go farm, seems illogical when on day 1 of launch players naturally enough go straight to IC and start farming telvar like mad.
Bottom line - ZOS screwed up, the only punishments they need to hand out is whoever somehow missed the XP gains bug in IC.
**And lets just examine that in perspective --> if ZOS punishes a player for 'not noticing' they were getting larger than pre-patch XP gains, how do they explain their own QA 'not noticing' the same?
Slow clap, right here.
I almost went straight to IC after doing my usual patch day "look around." I didnt because after spending an hour or so messing with my inventory and spending a good chunk of undaunted keys, I saw the server was coming down. Naturally, my guild chats were exploding. I have no idea what kind of XP gains were going on, but as a cap CP player, they would have to be absolutely enormous for me to notice them. Other than occasionally leveling a skill, I havent paid attention to XP in a LONG time.
It really does sound like ZOS created their own problem. Hey guys, grind here if you want the new cool stuff, but also, anyone that grinds here is in trouble...9 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There has been little investment, even some would say a blatant lack of investment in QA department in testing content before it is released.
Has been said, so many times, by me and many others. ZOS has constantly relied on paying customers to pay ZOS to work for them through buggy and exploited content and squander more time in documenting with videos and evidence to make ZOS job as easy as possible to address an issue with rushed out content.
There is/has been NO incentive for anyone who plays the PTS to tell ZOS anything they find. The majority of players have and will keep this information to themselves so they can solely profit off it for ass long as possible. This is not mere conjucture either, this is hard fact continually after every DLC release there has been mass exploitation.
Every title and achievement in ESO has been exploited at one stage. Poor platform ZOS had with the PTS setup/strategy.
To be fair, there is a thread stickied somewhere that is essentially an add for more Q&A folks because they are increasing the size of their Q&A team.0