If you are selling it for real money "RIP Kodi" then ban them if you are buying it with in game gold it should not matter I won't tell someone how to use there gold or what to buy with there gold.

I'd prefer it didn't happen. But if carries are being bought with in game gold and no glitching or exploits are being used then I guess its fine.

If a trial group can carry a player through a vtrial then I guess there's no problem charging gold for it.

Personally I'd prefer to earn it.

If they just want the skin but don't have the time to progress in the trial, I can understand.

I'm not going to say they should be banned, but I'm definitely not a fan of the practice. The skins are meant to be earned! They were meant to be worn to prove that you were able to progress through and complete some of the most difficult content in the game, now they prove you've got deep pockets. I honestly laugh at people running around Belkarth in a MoL skin, 9/10 times they're under 400CP.

I think this is a great practice. Without it, we would probably not be raiding. Raiding is expensive. Due to the fact that everything is BoP, the food, potion and repair costs cannot be covered by just raiding. Not even close. As a raider, you also have to always test new setups, create new gear, adapt to new tactics. What you get from raiding doesn't cover even 10% of those costs. It did before ZOS made all drops BoE.

For those of you taking out the pitchforks right now... no, there is zero shame in that. I don't know a single client who wanted the skin because he was "bad and wanted to look like he's good, like he earned the skin, so he paid for it." Most people who buy the skin are people who want it purely for the looks. They are usually 1. Roleplayers or 2. PvPers. They are all open about having bought the skin. They don't feel "ashamed" about it. They just don't PvE, they never ran trials and never plan to. It's just a look they wanted and they bought it.

Another kind of clients are achievement hunters. Those that are willing to pay 12M for a vMoL no death or vAS speedrun. But those are so rare, it's not worth mentioning. We get one of those like maybe once in 2 - 3 months. And we actively look for these people everywhere.

Most of our clients want to farm gear (golden jewelry). A vMoL/vHoF HM run or two, so that they get all the gear from all 12 people. Doesn't take long, definitely worth it for the buyer, covers our basic raiding expenses.

Oh yeah, we don't want to do it. Really. It's annoying. We wanna raid instead of having to do these carry runs. But it's necessary. If raiding covered the expenses, we would rather raid. We don't wanna get rich by raiding. We just want the rewards to cover the expenses, which they don't.

It's not an exploit, it's not uncouth. If someone wants to fork out the cash and there are people don't mind carrying someone who otherwise wouldn't be there, so be it.

I don't see the issue. Most people get carried in veteran dungeons and trials anyways.

Buying a skin with in game gold? If you are a PvP'er, roleplayer or a player who just likes doing dungeons.. go ahead, there is no other way to get the skin otherwise. A PvE player interested in trials shouldnt buy them in my opinion, he/she/it should ''earn'' them.

However one thing i am against is... People letting other people log in on their account for vMA runs because they cant do it themself but do want that cool title or the extra damage from the bow/magical sticks. Account sharing is even against TOS right? And yes, eventhough PetSorc + One Tamriel sets + CP excist now some people still have other people do their vMA runs for them. However if you need someone for vMA there is likely better ways to improve your gameplay than get that vMA weapon

madchuska83 wrote: »

I'm not going to say they should be banned, but I'm definitely not a fan of the practice. The skins are meant to be earned! They were meant to be worn to prove that you were able to progress through and complete some of the most difficult content in the game, now they prove you've got deep pockets. I honestly laugh at people running around Belkarth in a MoL skin, 9/10 times they're under 400CP.

This, note that if you show up in an skin in an dungeon doing LA only its just tragic like making an queue driving an Ferrari
if you carry your weight in an vet dungeon you could have earned it to.

Can't say you earn something like buying emp title or skins with gold, but not really a bannable offence

madchuska83 wrote: »

Meld777 wrote: »

I think this is a great practice. Without it, we would probably not be raiding. Raiding is expensive. Due to the fact that everything is BoP, the food, potion and repair costs cannot be covered by just raiding. Not even close. As a raider, you also have to always test new setups, create new gear, adapt to new tactics. What you get from raiding doesn't cover even 10% of those costs. It did before ZOS made all drops BoE.

For those of you taking out the pitchforks right now... no, there is zero shame in that. I don't know a single client who wanted the skin because he was "bad and wanted to look like he's good, like he earned the skin, so he paid for it." Most people who buy the skin are people who want it purely for the looks. They are usually 1. Roleplayers or 2. PvPers. They are all open about having bought the skin. They don't feel "ashamed" about it. They just don't PvE, they never ran trials and never plan to. It's just a look they wanted and they bought it.

Another kind of clients are achievement hunters. Those that are willing to pay 12M for a vMoL no death or vAS speedrun. But those are so rare, it's not worth mentioning. We get one of those like maybe once in 2 - 3 months. And we actively look for these people everywhere.

Most of our clients want to farm gear (golden jewelry). A vMoL/vHoF HM run or two, so that they get all the gear from all 12 people. Doesn't take long, definitely worth it for the buyer, covers our basic raiding expenses.

Oh yeah, we don't want to do it. Really. It's annoying. We wanna raid instead of having to do these carry runs. But it's necessary. If raiding covered the expenses, we would rather raid. We don't wanna get rich by raiding. We just want the rewards to cover the expenses, which they don't.

Did you seriously just say that you sell skins because you lack the funds to raid otherwise? You're doing something wrong, man.

If you only do vtrials I imagine you go negative, know I do just doing dungeons. People also want gold for housing and golding out new gear. Lots of gold is also an way to keep player commit to an trial group over time.
ZOS know this regarding the tradeale vAS HM skin

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

With gold? That's fine. With real world currency? Ban both the person buying and the one selling

What this guy said 100% ban for paying or selling with real money. But gold I don't care at all you can do as you please with the gold you make in game. And before anyone as "what about gold you pay real money for just to use to buy a skin" i don't even know how I would respond to that guess zos would just need to monitor accounts better then.