Mechanical Acuity set is underpowered!

silver1surfer69 · November 2017

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

Mojmir · November 2017

Not surprised, this updates sets are quite underwhelming.

MythicaLMeddLer · November 2017

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Gan Xing · November 2017

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WrathOfInnos · November 2017

It's definitely situational in its current state. The buffs you propose would probably make it best in slot for all builds. Maybe buffing the duration to 6s out of 18s or keeping it at 5s with a 15s cooldown would be more balanced.

With the 5s proc and the 18s cooldown, it is about as good as Mother's Sorrow or Leviathan when you have 50% crit chance. With lower crit chance acuity becomes better than the other sets listed. With higher than 50% crit acuity is not worth using. Since crit is easy to get above 50% I would like to see this break even point shifted to 55% or 60%. If the max theoretical uptime was 33% (both examples in previous paragraph) and the practical uptime became 31-32%, then this would make acuity equivalent to Mothers sorrow and Leviathan when at 60% crit chance.

All that being said, I've been comparing acuity to other crit sets for simplicity. Julianos and Hundings outperform Mothers Sorrow and Leviathan in most builds. Therefore Acuity would benefit from a buff if it is to surpass both crit sets and damage sets for even niche builds.

silver1surfer69 · November 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It's definitely situational in its current state. The buffs you propose would probably make it best in slot for all builds. Maybe buffing the duration to 6s out of 18s or keeping it at 5s with a 15s cooldown would be more balanced.

With the 5s proc and the 18s cooldown, it is about as good as Mother's Sorrow or Leviathan when you have 50% crit chance. With lower crit chance acuity becomes better than the other sets listed. With higher than 50% crit acuity is not worth using. Since crit is easy to get above 50% I would like to see this break even point shifted to 55% or 60%. If the max theoretical uptime was 33% (both examples at the start of this paragraph) and the practical uptime became 31-32%, then this would make acuity equivalent to Mothers sorrow and Leviathan when at 60% crit chance.

All that being said, I've been comparing acuity to other crit sets for simplicity. Julianos and Hundings outperform Mothers Sorrow and Leviathan in most builds. Therefore Acuity would benefit from a buff if it is to surpass both crit sets and damage sets for even niche builds.

have you been using it? Use it then tell me what your experience was.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

Yep, I use it on my mag warden, paired with necropotence (no crit bonuses). My base crit is 41.9%, so when it procs I get 58.1% additional crit chance. In dungeons and trials it has an uptime around 26%, so on average the 5 piece gives me 15.1% crit. This sounds high, but the weapon damage bonus is useless to me, so for comparison I account for this by subtracting a typical crit set bonus (3.8%) from the 15.1%, giving effectively 11.3% crit. Comparing this to the 8.8% from Mother's Sorrow 5 piece, Acuity is better by 2.5% crit, or roughly 1.5% DPS.

Now I will point out that this is a very specific build, created around maximizing acuity. If acuity was paired with any set with a crit bonus it would not look as good. It is crafted so it cannot be used with Julianos, but a single crit bonus from IA, Iceheart, or Slimecraw makes Acuity no better than Mothers Sorrow in trials (where minor prophecy is provided). Scathing Mage makes acuity even worse, as it has 2 crit bonuses. Really the only viable companion sets are necro, Moondancer, and Master Architect. Also forget about acuity if you have a precise weapon.

Edit: To be clear, I think acuity could use a slight buff. It should be BIS, not for all builds, but for a slightly larger slice of the DPS build pie chart than currently. There are just too many things that weaken the bonus by providing crit elsewhere. Theoretical max uptime of 1/3 would solve this problem without being OP or erasing other sets as valid options.

Kanar · November 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Yep, I use it on my mag warden, paired with necropotence (no crit bonuses). My base crit is 41.9%, so when it procs I get 58.1% additional crit chance. In dungeons and trials it has an uptime around 26%, so on average the 5 piece gives me 15.1% crit. This sounds high, but the weapon damage bonus is useless to me, so for comparison I account for this by subtracting a typical crit set bonus (3.8%) from the 15.1%, giving effectively 11.3% crit. Comparing this to the 8.8% from Mother's Sorrow 5 piece, Acuity is better by 2.5% crit, or roughly 1.5% DPS.

Now I will point out that this is a very specific build, created around maximizing acuity. If acuity was paired with any set with a crit bonus it would not look as good. It is crafted so it cannot be used with Julianos, but a single crit bonus from IA, Iceheart, or Slimecraw makes Acuity no better than Mothers Sorrow in trials (where minor prophecy is provided). Scathing Mage is even worse, as it has 2 crit bonuses. Really the only viable companion sets are necro, Moondancer, and Master Architect. Also forget about acuity if you have a precise weapon.

Edit: To be clear, I think acuity could use a slight buff. It should be BIS, not for all builds, but for a slightly larger slice of the DPS build pie chart than currently. There are just too many things that weaken the bonus by providing crit elsewhere. Theoretical max uptime of 1/3 would solve this problem without being OP or erasing other sets as valid options.

Right, to build for mechanical acuity you want a low natural crit rating and instead focus all in on spell/weapon damage. You cover the two main problems: first the wasted set bonus, the set designers need to stop giving us these types of sets. If they want them usable by both builds then each bonus should benefit both. Example: change the 2p bonus to wp+sp damage and make 3p bonus either max stam+mag or stam+mag regen. Second problem is that set designers refuse to give us sets without +crit. Would be nice to have some (viable) sets that give just +dam and +max stat.

If those two issues are fixed then acuity could work without adjusting the 5p bonus.

Alcast · November 2017

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

I do not think the set is underpowered. Sure in PvE you will not see it being used that much. However, I use it on one of my Builds in werewolf form. The burst that this set allows you to pull out is completely insane. Damage and healing all crit for 5s. Maybe they could extend the duration to 6s or reduce the cooldown to like 15s or something like that. But I do not think they will touch that set for now.

You can also track the buff and combine your Ulti with other damage abilties that all crit. Buffing it would be very dangerous in my opinion.

The build I was talking about can be found here:
Written Guide: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-werewolf-build-pvp/
Video: https://youtu.be/_CwCY5Z8MHM

silver1surfer69 · November 2017

Alcast wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

I do not think the set is underpowered. Sure in PvE you will not see it being used that much. However, I use it on one of my Builds in werewolf form. The burst that this set allows you to pull out is completely insane. Damage and healing all crit for 5s. Maybe they could extend the duration to 6s or reduce the cooldown to like 15s or something like that. But I do not think they will touch that set for now.

You can also track the buff and combine your Ulti with other damage abilties that all crit. Buffing it would be very dangerous in my opinion.

The build I was talking about can be found here:
Written Guide: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-werewolf-build-pvp/
Video: https://youtu.be/_CwCY5Z8MHM

Thanks for your reply. Im familiar with your builds, i check your website and insights often and learned a LOT from you sensei. I got the idea to use this set from your new clockwork builds. Im a pvp player who likes and adjusts his build mainly for 1v1 fights. My experience was this: my duels ususaly last for lets say 30-75 sec +-. The set procs very good, it procs from everything eg DK spiked armour small ticks and even when you do a dot on your backbar which has not the set and then switch to frontbar with set, it even procs. So in this dueltime it procs about 3 times. In the time it procs, i get 2 dizzyswings and 1 reverce slash in and that is jsut not enough to kill. When the opponent can heal through it, all my advantage from this set is gone. Maybe when your able to get your ulti in in this time like you said, but thats hard and when you have an opponent you dont have to struggle with so you can hold back your ulti as long as you like, you dont need the set anyway. I see the benefits of this set and see that it contributes to burst, but my experience is, that it gives me not enough advantage compared to other sets. Because of this it made me coming back to viper which i was using a long time ago and abandond for other sets, so thats a good outcome for me in the end. I want to throw up the question if it just sounds good now because it is new and will it be relevant and used by many people in 3 months from now, with the stats like this.

cschwingeb14_ESO · November 2017

The usefulness of this set is blunted by impen of course. But for a heavy armor PvP build it sounds very good.

Also, soul assault/ballista is probably the best ulti to use with it in PvP

In pve, it can be a bit of a waste to hold certain ultimates or modify your rotation for it. WW would be an exception, as you could go into a Howl rotation for 5s, then back to LA-only once it's done to regen stam.

I don't know if any other classes have high-damage, high resource drain abilities like howl that would be worth it

Bladerunner1 · November 2017

A PVE build that should work best with Acuity would deliver lots of direct damage in well-timed bursts while the set proc is active along with DOT skills already ticking and any other damage buffs to coincide with the crits, basically Nightblades. They already maximize DPS around the 6 second Soul Harvest buff that comes every 15-20 seconds.

However on my Stamblade the DPS is approximately the same as running Night mother's or Hunding's in a sustained fight, there's more RNG to it when boss mechanics are involved. If the proc lasted 6 seconds instead of 5, it would be possible to time all procs of assassin's scourge and 90% of the surprise attacks for crits + the DOTs ticking at the same time while getting the soul harvest and War Machine buff. And don't forget killer's blade spam during the proc, that's insane.

For now this set is very good for short burst fights in PVE, like fighting trash mobs between bosses. This can be accomplished while dealing approximately the same single target DPS, so it seems decent enough. I wouldn't complain if the proc gained another second, but others might.

Apherius · November 2017

You mean underpowered like 85% of the set available?

silver1surfer69 · November 2017

Apherius wrote: »

You mean underpowered like 85% of the set available?

I think the sets are quite unbalanced, right. but we know it and life with it. but i think for a new set, where you need new contend for, i mean it should bring an advantage, which in my experience does not.

ezeepeezee · November 2017

I've been using it on a DoT focused stam sorc to great effect. Maelstrom DW, because rapid strikes damage stacks on itself and hits very hard when all hits are a guaranteed crit, works out quite nicely.

I think it's important to realize, and I think others have mentioned here, that the real benefit of this set is on lower crit builds. My latent crit on my stam sorc is quite low, but Acuity should be used in a simliar way as Ravaging. You drop your burst when the buff is up. I really think this was meant to be a PVP set. It allows me to build for defense and still have a reliable offensive window.

Edit: Wanted to make the point that I think it's most effective on DoT builds. A 5 second window isn't great for direct damage bursting, but with 2+ DoTs going on someone, it's really potent.

ToRelax · November 2017

I tried it with PvP mag Sorc, but the buff is too short. Might be very strong with about 7 second duration and respective cooldown increase.

silver1surfer69 · November 2017

want to add that in my oppinion the cooldown is that long that you dont build pressure adding the procs up. so if you not get the kill during proc you have to completely start over again next proc. opponent is not pressured any more after that long time. Below 7sec duration and 15sec cooldown im not tempted to try the set again.

glavius · November 2017

It's damn good in pvp

Aliyavana · November 2017

Agreed

Gulkrim-mur · January 2018

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

Im about to check it out with a magplar n see if dots proc it which i expect it should natrually with aderic they get 10% crit dmg bonus and im gunna run shadow* divines.

Jabs are hella fast spam i hope with that and tobbld charge stun i can get some nasty damage of in proc time then jbeam. However crit sucks this is just a fun kyne pvp build im thinking most dont use impen there.

Dungeons or vet pvp go damage and pen anyway.

Raudgrani · January 2018

Have and would only use it for werewolf in PVP. When that blurry vision kicks in, and Molag Kena gets up at the same time - fear and howl of agony, bye bye show-off unkillable tank.

WrathOfInnos · January 2018

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

Im about to check it out with a magplar n see if dots proc it which i expect it should natrually with aderic they get 10% crit dmg bonus and im gunna run thief divines.

Jabs are hella fast spam i hope with that and tobbld charge stun i can get some nasty damage of in proc time then jbeam. However crit sucks this is just a fun kyne pvp build im thinking most done use impen there.

Dungeons or vet pvp go damage and pen anyway.

@DrInsanity666 Magplar can use it well, but acuity combines poorly with thief stone. If you are using thief, then Mothers Sorrow or Julianos will give better results (or combine both of these). Acuity only shines if you have low crit chance (below 50% typically).

For PVE, 5 Acuity with 4 Moondancer and a 2 pc monster set seems to work well, with Apprentice Mundus.

Gulkrim-mur · January 2018

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

Im about to check it out with a magplar n see if dots proc it which i expect it should natrually with aderic they get 10% crit dmg bonus and im gunna run thief divines.

Jabs are hella fast spam i hope with that and tobbld charge stun i can get some nasty damage of in proc time then jbeam. However crit sucks this is just a fun kyne pvp build im thinking most done use impen there.

Dungeons or vet pvp go damage and pen anyway.

@DrInsanity666 Magplar can use it well, but acuity combines poorly with thief stone. If you are using thief, then Mothers Sorrow or Julianos will give better results (or combine both of these). Acuity only shines if you have low crit chance (below 50% typically).

For PVE, 5 Acuity with 4 Moondancer and a 2 pc monster set seems to work well, with Apprentice Mundus.

I ment shadow lol my bad

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

Im about to check it out with a magplar n see if dots proc it which i expect it should natrually with aderic they get 10% crit dmg bonus and im gunna run thief divines.

Jabs are hella fast spam i hope with that and tobbld charge stun i can get some nasty damage of in proc time then jbeam. However crit sucks this is just a fun kyne pvp build im thinking most done use impen there.

Dungeons or vet pvp go damage and pen anyway.

@DrInsanity666 Magplar can use it well, but acuity combines poorly with thief stone. If you are using thief, then Mothers Sorrow or Julianos will give better results (or combine both of these). Acuity only shines if you have low crit chance (below 50% typically).

For PVE, 5 Acuity with 4 Moondancer and a 2 pc monster set seems to work well, with Apprentice Mundus.

I ment shadow lol my bad

Funny thing there, you will as least get just as high of crits, if not higher, with the apprentice but your noncrits will be higher then with the shadow. They are nerfed both shadow and theif too much and buffed apprentice too much.

Cinbri · January 2018

2 more seconds to proc duration and it will be OK.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

best way to use this set would be as a heavy armor build, in no-cp campaign.

For pve obviously this set is as useless as heavy armor is.

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2018

Agree, make it 8 seconds and a 16 second cool down (8 on 8 off that way)

Masel · February 2018

This set is one of the best you can get. Have you actually tested it? I do more damage with it than with any other set....

It is definitely good the way it is.

The benefit in critical chance you get is basically:

(100%-Critical chance)*Acuity Uptime.

On my stamplar it gives me from the front bar only (when paired with stormfist and war machine):

(100%-44%)*26%=14,56% critical chance.

Now you lose one stat bonus, Assuming it would be a critical bonus, that is 808/219=3.7%.

Therefore, Acuity gives me 10.8% critical chance from the front bar only, which is pretty insane.

altemriel · February 2018

yes, this set definitelly needs a buff

!!!

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

This set is one of the best you can get. Have you actually tested it? I do more damage with it than with any other set....

It is definitely good the way it is.

The benefit in critical chance you get is basically:

(100%-Critical chance)*Acuity Uptime.

On my stamplar it gives me from the front bar only (when paired with stormfist and war machine):

(100%-44%)*26%=14,56% critical chance.

Now you lose one stat bonus, Assuming it would be a critical bonus, that is 808/219=3.7%.

Therefore, Acuity gives me 10.8% critical chance from the front bar only, which is pretty insane.

So does the evil hunter skill or a weapon crit pot. How does the low up time compare to a flat value like Hundings Rage though?

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Alcast wrote: »

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

The cooldown is way to long and the duration is to short. Something like 8 sec duration and 12 maybe 15 sec cooldown (when i try not to be greedy). But like this it gives me almost no advantage. I get 2 maybe 3 hits in when it procs. Like this i think in some time there will almost be nobody left still using it. What you think?

I do not think the set is underpowered. Sure in PvE you will not see it being used that much. However, I use it on one of my Builds in werewolf form. The burst that this set allows you to pull out is completely insane. Damage and healing all crit for 5s. Maybe they could extend the duration to 6s or reduce the cooldown to like 15s or something like that. But I do not think they will touch that set for now.

You can also track the buff and combine your Ulti with other damage abilties that all crit. Buffing it would be very dangerous in my opinion.

The build I was talking about can be found here:
Written Guide: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-werewolf-build-pvp/
Video: https://youtu.be/_CwCY5Z8MHM

Alcast you don't know what you're talking about. Acuity is BiS for most stam/mag classes atm. ESPECIALLY on nightblades.

I've never liked your stamina builds, so I'll help you out a little.

Acuity + major slayer