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I just remembered why I don't help anyone
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Got pugged into fg2 (eww). It always turns into a progression run. Whatever, I thought I'd explain the fights and see if anyone can learn anything.
Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.
2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'
WHY is evsryone so dumb lol? Not knowing mechanics is understandable, we all start somewhere. But teaching people how to do veteran content really feels like throwing pearls before swine.
Edited by Ep1kMalware on February 5, 2018 9:16AM Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.
2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'
WHY is evsryone so dumb lol? Not knowing mechanics is understandable, we all start somewhere. But teaching people how to do veteran content really feels like throwing pearls before swine.
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Dr_Rektar✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Got pugged into fg2 (eww). It always turns into a progression run. Whatever, I thought I'd explain the fights and see if anyone can learn anything.
Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.
2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'
WHY is evsryone so dumb lol?
Are you on NA? never had such bad pug experience playing on EU....Engine guardian - best set ever13 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Got pugged into fg2 (eww). It always turns into a progression run. Whatever, I thought I'd explain the fights and see if anyone can learn anything.
Nope, teamates were too stupid. I got kicked because teamates killed spiders and I reset boss, explained it twice more.
2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'
WHY is evsryone so dumb lol?
Are you on NA? never had such bad pug experience playing on EU....
Yeh. Usually I bail out if I get fg2 as a random. They all end up taking 5 hrs to complete.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭2nd time I got kicked after getting pulled into mephalas realm after explaining portal mechanics for 'abandoning team'
I don’t believe this. Nobody can be that bad.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.13 -
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✭✭Getting kicked in that situation is probably for the best.
You waste 10 minutes on kick timer instead of wasting 40 on trying to drag the rest of them through the final fight.
Dumb people are dumb, and you did your best to help them. That at least you can feel good about.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
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✭✭✭✭Getting kicked in that situation is probably for the best.
You waste 10 minutes on kick timer instead of wasting 40 on trying to drag the rest of them through the final fight.
Dumb people are dumb, and you did your best to help them. That at least you can feel good about.
That's actually quite a good point, and something to take comfort from!GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.3 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Getting kicked in that situation is probably for the best.
You waste 10 minutes on kick timer instead of wasting 40 on trying to drag the rest of them through the final fight.
Dumb people are dumb, and you did your best to help them. That at least you can feel good about.
Yeh but now I feel lame for spending a half hr getting them that far. I coulda done writs and got gold stuff.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I had real nice PuG experiences with my low level char on NA though lately. Despite bring sub CP 200 no problems at all with vCoA II HM, vBC I, and vCoH II. If was time well spent.Edited by Feanor on February 5, 2018 9:26AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.9 -
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✭✭Yes it is frustrating your end that you have players who just don't get it...but hey let them carry on....they will learn..
....It might take them a 1000 years....but they will. lol@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots
EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)Edited by Epona222 on February 5, 2018 9:31AMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots
EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)
Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.
Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.
I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lolEdited by Ep1kMalware on February 5, 2018 9:36AM6 -
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✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
What they/we need isn't dungeon tutorials. You said you actually explained mechanics to them but there're some chosen people that simply never listen. I'm not sure what can be done, if anything, to fix that. I get the feeling people used to listen more back in original vet zones/old vet dungeons days when they were actually used to the idea of having to follow mechanics from the start, more or less. That's part of why I'd like harder content. And we definitely need a learning curve in general, the jump between light attack everything to death and "die for a single mistake" in (vet, especially vet dlc) dungeons is way too much. They don't know any better and they don't understand they actually need to listen and adapt.
Take the fun out of that though lol, it IS funny. Like c'mon, you can always find proper people and do a quick, easy and boring speed/no death/hm run of FG 2, but when else are you gonna get such a story?;) Totally worth it.1 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
What they/we need isn't dungeon tutorials. You said you actually explained mechanics to them but there're some chosen people that simply never listen. I'm not sure what can be done, if anything, to fix that. I get the feeling people used to listen more back in original vet zones/old vet dungeons days when they were actually used to the idea of having to follow mechanics from the start, more or less. That's part of why I'd like harder content. And we definitely need a learning curve in general, the jump between light attack everything to death and "die for a single mistake" in (vet, especially vet dlc) dungeons is way too much. They don't know any better and they don't understand they actually need to listen and adapt.
Take the fun out of that though lol, it IS funny. Like c'mon, you can always find proper people and do a quick, easy and boring speed/no death/hm run of FG 2, but when else are you gonna get such a story?;) Totally worth it.
That's true, when icp firsr came out I remember my first clear took 7 hours. And nobody was deluded enough to think it was the game's fault we were failing. Those days were definitely different.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots
EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)
Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.
Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.
I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lol
I think that kind of backs up my point, why would you expect him to react any different to an official mechanics tutorial? Zeni isn't his mum (and he probably reacts to his mum like that too anyway!)
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
Huh? Just google for dungeon mechanics - plenty of youtube videos and text descriptions with screenshots
EDIT to add: (people who can't be bothered to do that aren't going to look at a Zeni tutorial either)
Yeh but you got to holdem accountable somehow. I did a vet falkreath, we got to last boss and asked if everyone knew mechanics. 1 dd did not, so I toldem to look it up real quick and I'd answer any questions he had afterward.
Low and behold mr 'i dont have a mic' managed to produce a means of screaming at the group for treating him wrongly (literal screaming from a fully grown adult). We kicked him, told new dd same thing, and we got through it on the 2nd go.
I can't tell if there's entitlement issues or is almost everyone just insane lol
I think that kind of backs up my point, why would you expect him to react any different to an official mechanics tutorial? Zeni isn't his mum (and he probably reacts to his mum like that too anyway!)
'"But son, we're out of cheetos". When the game was fresh people put alot more effort into it. Nowadays everyone has an excuse for their shortcommings.
I'd bet one of my 'crown jewels' that 99% of this endgame pve toxicity we hear about is trial guilds holding people accountable for failing the group. Every good run has people the announce mechanics and tell you when you're fudging up. Improving yourself improves the group as a whole. That's what it comes down to.2 -
Bax✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Thermoluminescence wrote: »You can't fix stupid.
Zos needs to release dungeon mechanics every quarter. Give us 1 quarter to experience the mystery of new content. Then afterwards drop a tutorial for it. That way there's no excuse.
Each wiki about ESO, and there is like 2-3 major ones, has explanation of mechanics in all dungeons. It's usually the first link in google when you search for name of dungeon and add "guide" behind it. And it's up nearly in sync with release of the content (probably because of discovering mechanics already during PTR).
Since beginning I use it always when I get into a dungeon I either didn't play before or which I didn't play in a while. If there are people who cannot do such a thing, they won't do it even if there is guide directly from ZOS.1 -
ascan7✭✭✭Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game
Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.7 -
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✭Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game
Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.
A reasonable explanation is reasonable. I'm 100% guilty of allowing it to suprise me from time to time.2 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game
Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.
I see it differently.
1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game
I miss mandatory subscriptions.1 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game
Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.
I see it differently.
1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game
I miss mandatory subscriptions.
Hell yes! This is the only mmo I've played that didn't have one!0 -
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Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Simple:
1) there are many dumb people
2) even if they are dumb, these people often have money
3) gaming industry cater to those people to get their money
4) you get dumb people in your game
Never be surprised about people's stupidity. Every time you think there is a limit, someone can just surpass it.
I see it differently.
1) there are many dumb people
2) dumb people often don't have money
3) gaming industry reduces cost of playing their games
4) you get dumb people in your game
I miss mandatory subscriptions.
Honestly in response to that - most of the idiots I come across (whether they expect to be carried IRL or in game) are those actually from more well to do backgrounds, who have never had to work hard, get looked after and bailed out all the time. No appreciation for putting in some effort to get results.GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.5
