A 6500 Word Solution for Set and Trait Imbalance

Arobain · January 2018

jesus christ you really dont know how to balance sets fairly, every single set change you mentioned except for a select few, you wanted to make them extremely OP ONE THOUSAND SPELL DAMAGE TO SUCCESSION? the ***?

Masel · January 2018

Arobain wrote: »

jesus christ you really dont know how to balance sets fairly, every single set change you mentioned except for a select few, you wanted to make them extremely OP ONE THOUSAND SPELL DAMAGE TO SUCCESSION? the ***?

What. I have put a lot of thought into all of them, and succession boosts only one element at a time. No build or class can utilise all three elements effectively, and if they use all three, only a small portion of their damage will get boosted by that amount. A sorcerer or magicka dk using shock and fire will get the most out of it, but even there it won't buff pets for example.Think about stuff before you claim I have no idea what I'm doing, I know how this game works.

Qbiken · January 2018

Remember reading your original post about this, loved it.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

A fair amount of these suggestions seem to disregard PvP.

Agility/Willpower are still the best 3 piece sets for PvP, for instance, where minor slayer doesn't really compete.

Iceheart, Eyes of Mara, Archer's Mind, Heem Jas, Overwhelming Surge, Armor of Truth, Wyrd Tree, and several others on your list absolutely already have uses, some more niche than others.

Just because you don't see a use for a set, doesn't mean there isn't a use--and that seems to be the case for many of these.

If there´s any player in this game that find usage of "underwhelming sets", masel is the one.

Masel92 wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

jesus christ you really dont know how to balance sets fairly, every single set change you mentioned except for a select few, you wanted to make them extremely OP ONE THOUSAND SPELL DAMAGE TO SUCCESSION? the ***?

What. I have put a lot of thought into all of them, and succession boosts only one element at a time. No build or class can utilise all three elements effectively, and if they use all three, only a small portion of their damage will get boosted by that amount. A sorcerer or magicka dk using shock and fire will get the most out of it, but even there it won't buff pets for example.Think about stuff before you claim I have no idea what I'm doing, I know how this game works.

The issue with Succession (last time I tested it) is that you´ll always get the fire-bonus first making it extremely potent for destrult bombing if done correctly. If a buff to succession (which would be nice according to your suggestions) ZOS would have to fix so the buff you get is somewhat random, even though that would make the set less useful in PvE.

Mojomonkeyman · January 2018

Love some suggestions, but theres some where I sincerely doubt OP is correctly assessing usage & strength in PvP. Prime examples are 3 piece IC jewelry sets, Truth and Overwhelming.

Other than that, great post and awesome effort.

Qbiken · January 2018

I wonder how Heem Jáas would work together with a werewolf group??

Need to farm that **** xD

Hutch679 · January 2018

If that change went live, can you imagine how good pelinals would be????

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

If that change went live, can you imagine how good pelinals would be????

Barely better than on live, with hybrids still being far from on par?

WrathOfInnos · January 2018

These are some great ideas! I hope many of them make it into the game.

Savos_Saren · February 2018

I like some of these ideas!

You forgot to mention:

Silks of the Sun: Change the Health piece to Spell Crit in order to bring it in line with Netch's Touch, War Maiden, and Ysgramor.

Hutch679 · February 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

If that change went live, can you imagine how good pelinals would be????

Barely better than on live, with hybrids still being far from on par?

It would essentially give you the option to choose whatever morph you want

kaithuzar · February 2018

Honestly if they just gave us gold agility/willpower jewelry I would probably wear it. We have it on PTS, I don't understand why I haven't seen it on the live game.

Toc de Malsvi · February 2018

kaithuzar wrote: »

Honestly if they just gave us gold agility/willpower jewelry I would probably wear it. We have it on PTS, I don't understand why I haven't seen it on the live game.

Gold jewelry doesnt matter. 30 stam/mag per piece, 50 stam/ mag and 4 weapon/spell damage for the set in gold. Maximum benefit 140 stam/mag and 4 weapon/spell damage, its irrelevant.

VilniusNastavnik · February 2018

i would suggest a second buff to Ice Furnace.

2 Items Increases your Maximum Magicka by 933
3 Items Increases Spell Critical by 688
4 Items Increases your Spell Damage by 129
5 Items When you deal direct damage with a Frost Damage ability, you have a 50% chance to deal an additional 2100 Flame Damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second.

As it stands there is only 2 direct damage Frost attacks in game and will basically require you to use Force Pulse or Destructive Reach to make the most of it. This set could be viable for a warden if it procced on all frost damage. It would only give out 1K DPS single target, however would be better on trash fights. Coupled with Winterborn it could make some decent builds to rival the BIS meta and help bring cryomancer wardens to a useable standpoint. It would give Magden's an extra much needed AOE that they sorely lack. Buffing Winter's revenge by 33% will also be nice to bring it inline with LL but that's a discussion for a different thread.

Faulgor · February 2018

Please don't remove recoveries from Pelinal's Aptitude. They are just as important for hybrids as anything else.
If anything, they could be combined in the 4pc bonus like Shacklebreaker, and a Weapon + Spell Crit bonus added in for the 3pc.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

If that change went live, can you imagine how good pelinals would be????

Barely better than on live, with hybrids still being far from on par?

It would essentially give you the option to choose whatever morph you want

No, it wouldn't. Not more than it already does now. Weapon/ spell damage and crit chance are only a small part of where the damage comes from.

You will still have to split your CP between Elemental Expert and Mighty, between Precises Strikes and Elfborn, between Spell Erosion and Piercing.
Your maximum resources will still be below the ones on a pure build.

With Pelinal's you have stronger magicka skills on your hybrid build than on your stamina build.
With Pelinal's you have stronger stamina skills on your hybrid build than on your magicka build.
But you also have weaker magicka skills on your hybrid than on your magicka build.
And you also have weaker stamina skills on your hybrid than on your stamina build.

Crit chance or not, you still lack base damage. And now also regen. Therefore you can very well choose whatever morph you like, but you will still be not as effective as a pure build with it.

Ashamray · April 2018

The name is irritating. Make this an 8m AoE around you and then we’re talking!

2 Items Increases your Maximum Magicka by 933
3 Items Increases your Spell Damage by 129
4 Items Increases your Spell Damage by 129
5 Items When you activate a class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent tha deals 2365 Shock damage to all enemies in an 8 meter radius for 6 seconds.

Too strong, if you remember that this set can proc after proc after proc.

josiahva · April 2018

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This is one of the sets that I don't get. Weapon damage on a magicka set? Change it to spell damage And you’d have a fun build with Burning Spellweave. Ice – fire mage here we come. Oh and also double the damage because it’s aheavy set that forces you to sacrifice three jewels to be worth considering.

New Tooltip:

2 Items Increases your Maximum Magicka by 933
3 Items Increases Spell Critical by 688
4 Items Increases your Spell Damage by 129
5 Items When you deal direct damage with a Frost Damage ability, you have a 50% chance to deal an additional 2100 Flame Damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second.
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Actually, this isnt a bad set the way it is combined as weapons/jewelry with Med Pelinials for a hybrid build, though probably only viable for a Warden wielding a frost staff, any other class would be better off with Dreugh King Slayer for weapon damage stacking...and probably only viable as a PvP build anyway

TheDoomsdayMonster · April 2018

As someone who proudly wears Combat Physician, I am content with it as is, however, if they were to buff it, I think simply increasing the number of allies that can receive the Damage Shield would be sufficient...

It wouldn't hurt my feeling if they simply made the Damage Shield larger as well...

Toast_STS · April 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

As someone who proudly wears Combat Physician, I am content with it as is, however, if they were to buff it, I think simply increasing the number of allies that can receive the Damage Shield would be sufficient...

It wouldn't hurt my feeling if they simply made the Damage Shield larger as well...

I just tried this set out. It worked out pretty well healing in a 6 man in cryodiil but loses effectiveness with any more people then that. I think a good buff would be to reduce the duration and cooldown to 3 seconds each, it would proc twice as much but still only get 1 at a time.

Toast_STS · April 2018

josiahva wrote: »

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This is one of the sets that I don't get. Weapon damage on a magicka set? Change it to spell damage And you’d have a fun build with Burning Spellweave. Ice – fire mage here we come. Oh and also double the damage because it’s aheavy set that forces you to sacrifice three jewels to be worth considering.

New Tooltip:

2 Items Increases your Maximum Magicka by 933
3 Items Increases Spell Critical by 688
4 Items Increases your Spell Damage by 129
5 Items When you deal direct damage with a Frost Damage ability, you have a 50% chance to deal an additional 2100 Flame Damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second.
"

Actually, this isnt a bad set the way it is combined as weapons/jewelry with Med Pelinials for a hybrid build, though probably only viable for a Warden wielding a frost staff, any other class would be better off with Dreugh King Slayer for weapon damage stacking...and probably only viable as a PvP build anyway

Ugh, I just tried this set out last week. It doesn't proc on the chilled status effect like winterborn does, any warden skill or iceheart. No way to get it to proc every second in it's current state. Damage is one way to buff it but I suggest changing it to proc a unique burning status effect like burning spellweave does. It would add some cool synergy with BSW and ice builds.

Toast_STS · April 2018

They should make a set representative like they are doing for classes. I would nominate you @Masel92.

DosPanchos · April 2018

Arobain wrote: »

jesus christ you really dont know how to balance sets fairly, every single set change you mentioned except for a select few, you wanted to make them extremely OP ONE THOUSAND SPELL DAMAGE TO SUCCESSION? the ***?

Take it down a notch. This guy put a lot of time into making this post and it addresses a really big, persistent issue with the game. How about making constructive comments to "fine-tune" the suggestions instead of insulting him and his work?

Masel · April 2018

DosPanchos wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

jesus christ you really dont know how to balance sets fairly, every single set change you mentioned except for a select few, you wanted to make them extremely OP ONE THOUSAND SPELL DAMAGE TO SUCCESSION? the ***?

Take it down a notch. This guy put a lot of time into making this post and it addresses a really big, persistent issue with the game. How about making constructive comments to "fine-tune" the suggestions instead of insulting him and his work?

I'm iinda surprised this thread is still going

thanks for the defense. I won't adjust this anymore because i never received any feedback from Zenimax (and commetns like the one you quoted are also a reason). Some people don't know how to behave or how to express themselves adequately...