Rattlecage - Heavy?

Beardimus · October 2016

Only had a quick search but am I correct in saying the Rattlecage set only comes in Heavy Armour?

Is that not a bit odd considering its primarily a magic users set, this they will be running Light?

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

You could run jewlery, and staves, and one piece heavy for 5L 1M 1H undaunted mettle.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2016

Soulshine, Dragonguard, Ice Furnace--there's a fair few heavy armor dropsets that benefit magicka users.

Silver_Strider · October 2016

Rattlecage is the magic equivalent of Dreugh King Slayer, a primarily stamina based set that comes in Heavy armor

Beardimus · October 2016

I get that @Silver_Strider I guess I see Heavy & a Stamina / Melee build more alligned, Heavy and Magika are polar opposites, its just weird!!

I mean there are plenty of ways to get major sorc anyway, just be nice to not have to buff cycle and free up a slot on the buff bar but running heavy is too much of a compromise.

Beardimus · October 2016

I guess @Typhoios, good point on Jewellery. Does wipe out Willpower / another though. Maybe they think it would've been OP to offer it in Light. Lol at that, an OP sorc is rare these days tho lol.

I'm actually anti mettle, I think the gain from 7 LA passives outweigh's that extra 4%, however 6:1 at a push may work. I'll set about getting the Jewellery first, and a Sharp Inferno, then worry about it I guess! Ha.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

I guess @Typhoios, good point on Jewellery. Does wipe out Willpower / another though. Maybe they think it would've been OP to offer it in Light. Lol at that, an OP sorc is rare these days tho lol.

I'm actually anti mettle, I think the gain from 7 LA passives outweigh's that extra 4%, however 6:1 at a push may work. I'll set about getting the Jewellery first, and a Sharp Inferno, then worry about it I guess! Ha.

Unlike medium, there is very little benefit to running 7 light over 5, a little bit more regen and cost reduction that are greatly outweighed by the damage from 4% more mana. You can obtain arcane rings for this set if you get the special named rings, Gem of Curses is what its called I think, but afaik you can only obtain a healthy neck.

Rattle cage is basically a PvP set that will have little to no use in PvE, so if you are primarily a PvE player which it sounds like you are, the usefulness of this set will probably not stand out to you. This is a fantastic set for a magicka DK or templar in PvP.

code65536 · October 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I guess @Typhoios, good point on Jewellery. Does wipe out Willpower / another though. Maybe they think it would've been OP to offer it in Light. Lol at that, an OP sorc is rare these days tho lol.

I'm actually anti mettle, I think the gain from 7 LA passives outweigh's that extra 4%, however 6:1 at a push may work. I'll set about getting the Jewellery first, and a Sharp Inferno, then worry about it I guess! Ha.

Unlike medium, there is very little benefit to running 7 light over 5, a little bit more regen and cost reduction that are greatly outweighed by the damage from 4% more mana. You can obtain arcane rings for this set if you get the special named rings, Gem of Curses is what its called I think, but afaik you can only obtain a healthy neck.

Rattle cage is basically a PvP set that will have little to no use in PvE, so if you are primarily a PvE player which it sounds like you are, the usefulness of this set will probably not stand out to you. This is a fantastic set for a magicka DK or templar in PvP.

The neck is available in Arcane too.

"Forbidden Jewels" and "Gem of Curses" Add in a Rattlecage staff, and it'll be possible to do 5/1/1 with all-arcane jewelry. Still a lackluster set, though.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I guess @Typhoios, good point on Jewellery. Does wipe out Willpower / another though. Maybe they think it would've been OP to offer it in Light. Lol at that, an OP sorc is rare these days tho lol.

I'm actually anti mettle, I think the gain from 7 LA passives outweigh's that extra 4%, however 6:1 at a push may work. I'll set about getting the Jewellery first, and a Sharp Inferno, then worry about it I guess! Ha.

Unlike medium, there is very little benefit to running 7 light over 5, a little bit more regen and cost reduction that are greatly outweighed by the damage from 4% more mana. You can obtain arcane rings for this set if you get the special named rings, Gem of Curses is what its called I think, but afaik you can only obtain a healthy neck.

Rattle cage is basically a PvP set that will have little to no use in PvE, so if you are primarily a PvE player which it sounds like you are, the usefulness of this set will probably not stand out to you. This is a fantastic set for a magicka DK or templar in PvP.

The neck is available in Arcane too.

"Forbidden Jewels" and "Gem of Curses" Add in a Rattlecage staff, and it'll be possible to do 5/1/1 with all-arcane jewelry. Still a lackluster set, though.

Good to know! I hadn't seen that neck before. I wouldn't call it lackluster, it may be trash for PvE but for PvP it is a great set to have.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

If heavy armor was a viable option in PVE then maybe it'd be a great set. As such, the few people I see this being used by is magicka tanks like myself and Saptanks and the like.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If heavy armor was a viable option in PVE then maybe it'd be a great set. As such, the few people I see this being used by is magicka tanks like myself and Saptanks and the like.

Does it have to be useful in PvE to be a good set? As a PvP'r I think its a great set.

code65536 · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If heavy armor was a viable option in PVE then maybe it'd be a great set. As such, the few people I see this being used by is magicka tanks like myself and Saptanks and the like.

I wouldn't use it for a saptank--at least not the full set. The 5p bonus is wasted because you'll have Major Sorcery up almost all the time thanks to Sap. Even on single-target boss fights, as a tank, you'll almost always be in Sap range and one Sap will last you a good long time.

clocksstoppe · October 2016

It is however the set is not designed to be competitive anyways. In any situation where people aren't bad, this set is useless:

Your group tank should provide the team with 100% igneous uptime anyways.
Your potion can provide you with major sorcery anyways.
Giving up 200 spell damage to Julianos or another equivalent set is just not worth it either.

mr_wazzabi · October 2016

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mr_wazzabi · October 2016

Does the jewelery come in both arcane and healthy?

I saw a screenshot of an arcane ring

Chairo_Kuma · October 2016

clocksstoppe wrote: »

It is however the set is not designed to be competitive anyways. In any situation where people aren't bad, this set is useless:
Your group tank should provide the team with 100% igneous uptime anyways.

Your potion can provide you with major sorcery anyways.

Giving up 200 spell damage to Julianos or another equivalent set is just not worth it either.

Ha....you do realize that tanks come in other flavors other then dragon knight. Oh and you could always go julionos 5p x rattle 2 plus jewelry. This set is a good set.

Peekachu99 · October 2016

Templars have to slot a Mage Guild skill if they want major sorcery (and the animation for that skill is soooooooo lame and silly). I'm quite looking forward to this set. DKs could use it to if they choose to be selfish with the molten buffs.

People forget that saving a slot is a major boon.

Peekachu99 · October 2016

clocksstoppe wrote: »

It is however the set is not designed to be competitive anyways. In any situation where people aren't bad, this set is useless:
Your group tank should provide the team with 100% igneous uptime anyways.

Your potion can provide you with major sorcery anyways.

Giving up 200 spell damage to Julianos or another equivalent set is just not worth it either.

It's five piece, including jewelry. You can run this with Kagernacs/ Julianos 5 piece and a monster set, too. It's hardly useless, unless your a crit stacking clothie. It's actually going to be a game-changer for heavy armor magika players.

NightRyder36 · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

It is however the set is not designed to be competitive anyways. In any situation where people aren't bad, this set is useless:
Your group tank should provide the team with 100% igneous uptime anyways.

Your potion can provide you with major sorcery anyways.

Giving up 200 spell damage to Julianos or another equivalent set is just not worth it either.

It's five piece, including jewelry. You can run this with Kagernacs/ Julianos 5 piece and a monster set, too. It's hardly useless, unless your a crit stacking clothie. It's actually going to be a game-changer for heavy armor magika players.

Best moniker yet

Going to have to bust that one out on the battle field in the heat of the moment one of these days...

jahkirb16_ESO · January 2018

I use 5 Rattlecage and a light monsterset and the willpower Jewelry set. With Food, my character has 45% spellcrit, 33K magica and 23K HP... so it is viable

DoctorESO · January 2018

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geonsocal · January 2018

rattlecage is a boss set...so's dreugh king slayer...

it's not just that they give you major sorcery or major brutality - their 2-4 piece bonuses (5th also for rattlecage) also add some decent damage...

Hurtfan · January 2018

Rattlecage is great for a tank version of magsorc...

I messed around with it in PvP but ended up going with light armor mainly (spinner) for the spell penetration.

exeeter702 · January 2018

jahkirb16_ESO wrote: »

I use 5 Rattlecage and a light monsterset and the willpower Jewelry set. With Food, my character has 45% spellcrit, 33K magica and 23K HP... so it is viable

Nestor · January 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Only had a quick search but am I correct in saying the Rattlecage set only comes in Heavy Armour?

Is that not a bit odd considering its primarily a magic users set, this they will be running Light?

I run 5 Light 2 Heavy on all my casters. Even if I have Undaunted Mettle. Heavy Chest and Legs really helps with the squishyness. Or you really want the look, you can go Heavy Legs and Head and hide the head. So, Rattlecage is perfect for that. Just round it out with Jewelry.

I use Storm Knight on my Orc Caster, that comes in Heavy, but I go 2 armors and 3 jewelry.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Eiagra · January 2018

Rattlecage is a good necropost set, too.

Though, if I want to stay on topic, I'm on the same page with those who do jewelry/weapons. My magicka Templar runs Julianos for armor, Rattlecage jewelry, dual-wield Omen's Edge (Rattlecage blades with Sharpened), and a Rattlecage helm for when I switch to the same-set staff so I don't lose the Major Sorcery bonus. Molag Kena shoulder.

It's kind of a lazy way to get 100% uptime on that buff, but it works for me

*puts thread back to sleep*

D0PAMINE · January 2018

My Magward runs 5 Julianos, 5 Rattlecage and 2 Slimecraw with DW and Destro. I dont have room for the jellyfish

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

Junk set. Will always think so as long as entropy is in the game. Or class buffs. If you can manage major sorcercy, then you need to practice.

Beardimus · January 2018

Thanks for the answers dudes, this was 18 months ago tho I got it sorted

PvP Templar healer enjoyed it a while.

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