Limited time timing...

Elsonso · January 2018

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Anyway, my attitude with Limited Time Offers is that it doesn't matter how long it is in the store. If I like something, can use it, and the price is right, then I buy it right away, whether it is in the store for a couple of days or "forever". If I miss something because I was away from the game , or not paying attention, then "oh well".

This is a good perspective. 1, 2, 3 years from now, after we've all moved on, this is going to be the last thing on our mind. Can you imagine being on your deathbed thinking, "Oh, I wish I bought that cosmetic item in that game I played 30-50 years ago!"

I bought the game 3 years ago. I still play it for a stretch of a couple months every year, til I get bored.

How then does this statement hold up?

You think you're making a valid argument but you're really just spouting B$. Of course no ones going to think about this on their death bed, but does that automatically mean it isn't a load of dog ish that they market their items like this?

I personally just started a new job a couple weeks ago. Money has been tight so I cant afford the $40 on pixels that I'd be required to buy, in order to pay for a $20 item.

But if the sale were about 5 days longer, or *not temporary* I'd be both able and willing to fork over the cash for it.

They're literally only hurting themselves.

I guarantee you that in five years, even if you're still playing, you're not going to really care about whether you bought this wraith of crows polymorph. You will have had the opportunity to buy much better things, and you will also have had great gameplaying experiences that overshadow any thought of having missed out.

Yeah excepting for the fact that I will see people in it and remember the time I got burned by the bunch of bozos that is the ESO team

Five years from now you might remember it, but I bet you don't care.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Ep1kMalware · January 2018

This thread should be deleted, and most here complaining need to see a financial advisor.

Here's an interesting fact: zos told you about this offer, and how long it would last at the beginning of the month. Now you're all here because you feel zos owes you one due to your impulsive near-sighted behavior and unhealthy spending habbits.

Yup, all their fault..

Ep1kMalware · January 2018

Here's an additional kikker. I pay for eso plus. This neat little addon feature gives me access to all downloadable content, some extra features, and a monthly allowance of crowns that roll over month to month. With all of the datamine threads and monthly crown store items I have little to complain about.

DMuehlhausen · January 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Do people really get paid on the 1st and 15th? Never heard of that.

Yep, it's how I'm paid at my job. The worst part of it is when holidays fall on pay day. Like this month with MLK day. That was on a Monday. So already I'm thinking I have to make my current money go through another weekend and then an extra day. However the bank ended up processing the pay check on the 11th so I got my money on the 12th. Now I have to go essentially 20 days between pay checks.

The 1st and 15th pay schedule model sucks.

Elrond87 · January 2018

hmm i get paid on the 28th or last friday

Duck · January 2018

Don't ya'll worry, the skelecrow polymorph will undoubtedly come back.

As a gem store item.

To fuel the addiction to buying loot boxes.

Thus generating them more profit.

Because random chance is the only way you're getting those gems.
Costumes you don't like? And will never, ever use? Nope you're stuck with em. NO GEMS FOR YOU.

Minyassa · January 2018

Making "limited" mean a couple of weeks to a month would fix this problem for everyone. And if they are worried about a lack of hype or pressure...more than half of the costumes, emotes, personalities and other regular crown store items I have bought when it was finally announced that they were going out of the store after they've been there for months. I've had months to decide I definitely want to get them, but have HAD to prioritize the urgent stuff because it's not going to be there waiting for me, and then when the stuff I never get around to getting starts to count down, I then "have to" get it. It would be nice to just get to pick which items I *want* first, instead of which items I will be upset if I miss.

SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23

I completely understand your frustration with this offer ending right before you get paid. Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.
Specifically, people have wildly different pay schedules depending on who their employer is and how that employer chooses to set their pay schedules.

Personally, I've worked jobs that pay weekly, bi-weekly, 1st/15th, once a month, and only upon contract completion and there's probably still a few variants I've never had to deal with. The point being, we'd love to make everyone happy all the time, but we accept that is not always possible and don't hold back offers because of it.

You could accommodate, don't make the offering a total of 3 or 5 or 10 days. If it were available for a month, this situation at the very least would have been accommodated, and I suspect many others. This is limited to instill a sense of rarity that you hope will entice people to impulse buy. Nothing more, nothing less. What, do the pixels have a shelf life on this particular polymorph? Give me a break.

Easily_Lost · January 2018

I will say it again. Buy Crowns ahead of time. So when a limited time offer comes up you will have the Crowns. They never go away.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2018

Agree with OP....
I really wanted this also when it was showcased on ESO Live months ago.
Planned on getting it, but it was in between my pay days also.
Please Zos, if your going to continue with these "Limited Items", can they be for more than 4 days???
Please??????

Sevalaricgirl · January 2018

I saw this white horse, from the winterfest. Fell in love, now I want a white horse with hearts. ZOS, make it so.

Really, I get most of the limited time items but this bird thing is quite awful. I understand, though, what the OP and several others are saying. Bring the limited time up to 7 days and only do them at the end of the month. That would make those who get paid at the end or beginning of the month able to get it. Limited items available from the 1st to the 7th. They could announce them by the 15th of the previous month then if people complain, "I have to pay my rent", then they shouldn't be buying into digital items.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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DoctorESO · January 2018

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SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

This is limited to instill a sense of rarity that you hope will entice people to impulse buy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly. And it seems to work. They are in it to make money, so I can't really blame them, though.

That doesn't make it ok, just because something is legal or in the TOS or whatever doesn't mean they should act in that manner. I am sure that ZOS employees a group of behavioral psychologists or their marketing firm does that has this down to a science. Just because it works doesn't mean we should be ok with it. Thus my statement.

QuebraRegra · January 2018

why make anything "a limited time" anyway?

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Ch4mpTW · January 2018

badmojo wrote: »

This thread reminds me of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqtBm_oUpc

Booty? This thread reminds you of booty

geng14159 · January 2018

I dislike the 3 day limited time items as well, but not due to money. Sometimes I have to travel for work or personal reasons. And, believe it or not, I don't bring my Xbox with me. It is frustrating to see cool stuff in the Crown Store Showcase and know I won't be able to buy them because I'll be out of town that week.

On the plus side, most items do seem to come back to the crown store eventually, even if it does mean waiting a whole year.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23
Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.

If your company just stopped using deplorable marketing tactics and limited time sales, yes, it would make everyone happy. It's very possible.

You know what would make the entire world happy? Less Marketers and more people that actually add value to the planet.

geng14159 · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

You can still buy the items even while you are away! It's called the Concierge System. All you have to do is create a support ticket and ask them to set it up. Then, you can just create another ticket and have the concierge buy the item for you while you are away! You can also use the concierge to gift items to another player. The Concierge System was only advertised to a limited number of individuals, but anyone can ask for it to be setup on their account!

My advice is to get it set up now. Build the shelter before the storm starts. Then next time, you can just have the concierge buy the limited-time item for you while you are away. You will have to have Internet access to send the concierge request, of course, but you won't have to log in to the game.

I had no idea this existed. Good to know. Thanks!

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23
Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.

If your company just stopped using deplorable marketing tactics and limited time sales, yes, it would make everyone happy. It's very possible.

You know what would make the entire world happy? Less Marketers and more people that actually add value to the planet.

Examples?

Also, without marketers, companies would not have the money available to actually create and introduce new products to the world.

That statement makes a ton of assumptions. First you are assuming that the product being sold doesn't have enough intrinsic value in the marketplace where it can be sold on its own merits, and still generate a profit. Secondly you assume that marketing always increases sales and generates revenue. Have you ever heard of a failed marketing plan? Ever saw and advertisement that made you NEVER want to buy a product from that company? Every heard of a marketing budget that was so huge it sunk a product? These are commonplace.

Something that is valuable to the world sells itself. It has intrinsic value. It doesn't need a professional liar to hype it up or pretend that it is more scarce or more valuable than it actually is by creating an artificial timeline in which to buy it.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

But remember that if someone creates the best product in the whole world, but no one knows about it, then it's not doing much good.

You are confusing advertising with marketing. I have no problem with companies using money to increase the awareness of their product. That isn't remotely similar to what I am saying.

But there is a dishonest and immoral branch of marketing that studies human behavior and seeks to exploit weaknesses in human psychology to coerce people to part with their money when they normally wouldn't. Here are a few examples used in this game.

False Scarcity/Limited Time Offers: This game has digital assets. There is no Crow costume factory that's gonna run out of black feathers. There is no inventory cost for ZOS, no rarity. But we are used to associating value with rarity or difficulty of getting something. So ZOS created an artificial scarcity to make us think things are more valuable then they are.

Obfuscating the price or value of a product: Why buy "Crowns" first to buy things? Why not just advertise new items in Dollars in a Dollar Store? This costume costs 2000 crowns. Without looking, can you tell me how much real world money 2000 crowns represents right now if you were to buy the largest crown pack necessary to afford this item? Converting our real world money into fake money and constantly messing with the exchange rate creates a disconnect between real world value and how much money we are actually willing to spend on cosmetic items. How much is a digital crow costume worth? $5? $10? Is walking around like a digital crow going to give you $10 of value? Would you be surprised if I said it actually cost more than $10?

If something is valuable, I will pay money for it. But I am sick of the cheap psychological parlor tricks.

CelestialSlayer · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

But remember that if someone creates the best product in the whole world, but no one knows about it, then it's not doing much good.

You are confusing advertising with marketing. I have no problem with companies using money to increase the awareness of their product. That isn't remotely similar to what I am saying.

But there is a dishonest and immoral branch of marketing that studies human behavior and seeks to exploit weaknesses in human psychology to coerce people to part with their money when they normally wouldn't. Here are a few examples used in this game.

False Scarcity/Limited Time Offers: This game has digital assets. There is no Crow costume factory that's gonna run out of black feathers. There is no inventory cost for ZOS, no rarity. But we are used to associating value with rarity or difficulty of getting something. So ZOS created an artificial scarcity to make us think things are more valuable then they are.

Obfuscating the price or value of a product: Why buy "Crowns" first to buy things? Why not just advertise new items in Dollars in a Dollar Store? This costume costs 2000 crowns. Without looking, can you tell me how much real world money 2000 crowns represents right now if you were to buy the largest crown pack necessary to afford this item? Converting our real world money into fake money and constantly messing with the exchange rate creates a disconnect between real world value and how much money we are actually willing to spend on cosmetic items. How much is a digital crow costume worth? $5? $10? Is walking around like a digital crow going to give you $10 of value? Would you be surprised if I said it actually cost more than $10?

If something is valuable, I will pay money for it. But I am sick of the cheap psychological parlor tricks.

Well you do realise you don't have to buy anything right? Guess what i didn't buy the crow, because i didn't think it represented good value. Bought the tiger though. It's really that simple. By making something collectible it increases its value. But i don't need to collect, and i disliked the crow polymorth from a role-playing point of view. It's good that you don't get sucked in. If more people refused to pay so much maybe the prices would come down, but it would appear that eso players love exclusives. I work in the collectible industry, and the key is to keep feeding the habit. Give people a chance to realise how much money they are spending and usually they stop. Human nature.

Acrolas · January 2018

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Obfuscating the price or value of a product: Why buy "Crowns" first to buy things? Why not just advertise new items in Dollars in a Dollar Store? This costume costs 2000 crowns. Without looking, can you tell me how much real world money 2000 crowns represents right now if you were to buy the largest crown pack necessary to afford this item?

Zero.

Virtual currency is a lease that has zero monetary value. It's in the TOS.

1 crown is worth $0.
10,000 crowns are worth $0.
1,000,000,000 crowns are worth $0.

Crowns are a sunk cost we take on so that we can rent digital items.

starkerealm · January 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Whatever. The point is that the limited time crap needs to go. I absolutely would have bought that crow polymorph if they weren’t so effing impatient with their marketing tactics.

If only there'd been a way to know the exact dates it would be released back on the 3rd.

Ep1kMalware · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23
Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.

If your company just stopped using deplorable marketing tactics and limited time sales, yes, it would make everyone happy. It's very possible.

You know what would make the entire world happy? Less Marketers and more people that actually add value to the planet.

So you're going to hop off eso and do something productive? Or just sit here and market your opinion?

Besides, these limited time sales add variety to the game. It would suck of everyone ever was running around in that polymorph