Do you believe a ranged taunt is needed for nMoL trial?

coop500 · January 2018

Just a curious poll inspired by a debate I saw in my guild the other day. I wasn't in the trial I just saw the aftermath. Frankly I haven't done the trial enough to know and only one time as a tank in a PUG group when I was bored.

MissBizz · January 2018

I honestly don't do this trial enough, but IMO from the times I've done this trial, our tactic really depended on that ranged taunt lol

ifDoubtNerfIt · January 2018

It helps but not vital

Nah, you really only need it for the last boss to taunt efficiently, but everything else, a sorc with taunt and a big shield can also do it tbh.

Pink_Violinz · January 2018

It helps but not vital

I mean, using a theoretical good group, a standard taunt should suffice.

On normal I'm used to just running one tank for the sake of speed. A ranged taunt helps greatly with some of the ads and the twins, but if someone was just poking them I don't see it getting that bad.

Unless of course, the group was terrible. There are some things not even the most amazing tank in the world could fix.

Jamini · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

There is zero reason not to have Inner Rage if you are tanking. Even if you don't normally use it, you want to have the skill as an option.

ifDoubtNerfIt · January 2018

It helps but not vital

Jamini wrote: »

There is zero reason not to have Inner Rage if you are tanking. Even if you don't normally use it, you want to have the skill as an option.

Tbh a tank has to have inner rage, regardless of the dungeon/trial, but that's not really the topic, is it?

Jamini · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

There is zero reason not to have Inner Rage if you are tanking. Even if you don't normally use it, you want to have the skill as an option.

Tbh a tank has to have inner rage, regardless of the dungeon/trial, but that's not really the topic, is it?

If you need it for your role regardless, then you need it for the trial.

Yes, you CAN do it without. You also can also tank in seven medium, or even can tank both of the twins at once (it was an unpleasant experience. Don't do this).

However, if you want regularly successful groups as a tank in multiple content (and yes, this specifically includes MoL.) you absolutely need Inner Fire. Doubly so for fighting the twins, which is a fight where that skill can make or break the fight.

Asmael · January 2018

It helps but not vital

You can do without it, tho I would not recommend it.

code65536 · January 2018

It helps but not vital

I really want to say that it's required, though, particularly for twins.

But this is nMoL, where you can blithely ignore the mechanics and still muddle through, so whatever. Yes, you can get through nMoL without a range taunt. No, I would not recommend it. And no, I would not waste my time in a group without it.

Stania · January 2018

It helps but not vital

It's not a big deal if more experienced tanks do it (though, those tanks already have that skill), but inner rage is a requirement for newer tanks when I organize nMoL runs. Each time a newer tank wants to give a try without having inner rage slotted, the run is a mess and a waste of time.

Runefang · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

Yes

xaraan · January 2018

It helps but not vital

You can do it without it, but you would just make your job a little harder and stress your group at times by not using it. And depending on how well you move around and taunt all mobs up and get them together on trash pulls you could be costing your group dps by slowing that down. Don't know why you wouldn't want it just in case, even on easy runs I always have inner rage on my back bar.

WhitePawPrints · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

If a tank has to kite in order to melee taunt the mobs then the tank sucks. DPS will drop drastically.

If the tank can’t properly separate the Twins then the tank sucks. Greatly increases the chances of a wipe and unless one side is all ranged damage then the DPS will drop drastically.

Sure you can have a crappy tank and have the DDs and Healers suffer through it but unless they are really patient, most won’t deal with that.

I don’t intend to spend a couple hours doing an easy trial because a tank is too proud to a lot a ranged taunt.

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

It helps but not vital

It's nMOL. You can get away with running one or both agro. But if the DPS is stacking and burning, you CAN'T, as a tank, leave that spot to puncture one add or boss. That is where a range taunt comes in (or chains).

I believe a tank should have both taunts and use when necessary. Puncture is cheaper too but if you have that "oh ***, Skinrai is on the other side of the room hitting a poor healer", you need to use the range so DPS can keep hitting the agro'ed and you don't take a chance at blowing each other up. So I would say it's situation based. I wouldn't recommend spamming the range and use puncture as the main taunt. Save resources.

hydrocynus · January 2018

It helps but not vital

I voted for it helps but actually am leaning towards "it's essential" for 2 reasons.

1) you wouldn't want the tank running around in twins to aggro both of them cos aura would kill other players
2) you may need to step off platform on Rakkhat to get the hulk aggro'ed

I am assuming since nMoL that it's players of all levels joining sip not organised group

Mazbt · January 2018

It helps but not vital

Unless you want a messy run then yeah have a range taunt.

jssriot · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

Why is this even a question?

Sure, you can do it without Inner Rage but you're making it harder for 11 other people and why would you do that? Do you want to be hated that much?

Do you want all the dps who got one-shotted by one of the twins because he was running around untaunted because you couldn't reach him in time go on to other raids and tell them not to invite you because you're a garbage tank?

Do you want healers to also hate you because instead of picking a spot and range taunting adds or the twins to you, you're running around and making to impossible to lay down shards or keep heals on you and so the healers just let you die when you get the Shattered Armor debuff because they just can't deal with your nonsense and heal everyone else too?

Do you want the raid leader to also blacklist you because now they know you're someone who either doesn't care about being a teamplayer or is blowing off the run because it's normal or you're just lazy and they do not have the patience for your BS?

Sure, go ahead. Be that guy. Have fun.

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2018

Nah it's not that big of a deal

I'd recommend to use it, especially if you are new to the trial. Additionally it will be almost mandatory for veteran, so you should become familiar to using it.
However, in an experienced and well organized group that is just doing nmol for fun, it won't hurt too much if the main tank doesn't have a range taunt.

coop500 · January 2018

Other

jssriot wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Sure, you can do it without Inner Rage but you're making it harder for 11 other people and why would you do that? Do you want to be hated that much?

Do you want all the dps who got one-shotted by one of the twins because he was running around untaunted because you couldn't reach him in time go on to other raids and tell them not to invite you because you're a garbage tank?

Do you want healers to also hate you because instead of picking a spot and range taunting adds or the twins to you, you're running around and making to impossible to lay down shards or keep heals on you and so the healers just let you die when you get the Shattered Armor debuff because they just can't deal with your nonsense and heal everyone else too?

Do you want the raid leader to also blacklist you because now they know you're someone who either doesn't care about being a teamplayer or is blowing off the run because it's normal or you're just lazy and they do not have the patience for your BS?

Sure, go ahead. Be that guy. Have fun.

Please read my OP before [snip], thank you.

[Edited to remove profanity]

rynth · January 2018

Other

Undaunted skill has a ranged taunt the fire ball thingy

Grabmoore · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

rynth wrote: »

Undaunted skill has a ranged taunt the fire ball thingy

That's what this topic is about.

Imo a range taunt is needed in many situations in Mol. Obviously Twins and Rakkath are much easier with a ranged taunt, but also the trash pulls are faster. Well, I did tank the twins in nmol in light armor, but that is not optimised at all.

Not using a proper ranged taunt to position the mobs only makes you a burden.

Jhalin · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

If you're solo tanking twins, no, not required.

Any other time you must use inner rage, because you will wipe the group by running face first into the other tank when trying to swap bosses.

WhitePawPrints · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

coop500 wrote: »

jssriot wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Sure, you can do it without Inner Rage but you're making it harder for 11 other people and why would you do that? Do you want to be hated that much?

Do you want all the dps who got one-shotted by one of the twins because he was running around untaunted because you couldn't reach him in time go on to other raids and tell them not to invite you because you're a garbage tank?

Do you want healers to also hate you because instead of picking a spot and range taunting adds or the twins to you, you're running around and making to impossible to lay down shards or keep heals on you and so the healers just let you die when you get the Shattered Armor debuff because they just can't deal with your nonsense and heal everyone else too?

Do you want the raid leader to also blacklist you because now they know you're someone who either doesn't care about being a teamplayer or is blowing off the run because it's normal or you're just lazy and they do not have the patience for your BS?

Sure, go ahead. Be that guy. Have fun.

Please read my OP before [snip], thank you.

I believe he is using "you" in an indirect way, not directing it toward the OP or anyone else. I wouldn't take it personally.

Many players who have done a lot of PVE content have seen all sorts of tanks. And tanks have one essential role: taunt mobs and bosses and hold them still. It doesn't matter what their health is, what their stats are, what their debuffs are, what their group buffs are - if they can't properly taunt, then they fail as a tank.

I have seen tanks wipe groups before because they haven't had the ranged taunt. The Twins are a great example of how the lack of a ranged taunt can mess with a group and cause a wipe. In vDSA I have seen a tank fail to taunt adds in aoe because they lack a ranged taunt, causing DD's to die and/or focus half their resources on self sustain. I have had to cast my ground AOE abilities half a dozen times because a tank couldn't hold adds or a boss in one place.

So having a tank fail at their essential job by not having a ranged taunt (which 90% of the time is because they're making room for a "selfish" buff or ability), makes a few PVE players passionate about what we accept and don't accept in someone who committed to a role in group content.

[Edited for quotes]

Tasear · January 2018

Other

Well... technically...no

You can just stack the bosses in middle on normal.

Casul · January 2018

It helps but not vital

I think no, but I've only been off tank for like 3 trials. I bet in veteran it would be more needed but I also haven't played main tank so maybe they would have more use for it.

obscure7 · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

This is silly. If you're a tank, please put the ranged taunt on your bar to make everyone else's life much easier, including your own.

Technically, you can do lots of content without a tank or without a healer, or with a tank who doesn't slot a ranged taunt. Technically, I could also drive my car in third gear on the freeway and dismiss all the angry looks I get along the way.

Iccotak · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

imo we need an Area of Effect taunt. Trying to taunt every single enemy one at a time is resource draining.

xSkullfox · January 2018

It helps but not vital

for nmol not rly, u burn most bosses anyway and there's no rl dmg

Princess_Ciri · January 2018

It helps but not vital

hmmm i recall doing nmol where we all brought below level 50 chars and one of our tanks didn't have undaunted high enough for the ranged taunt so they had to just go stab the other twins boss. wasn't ideal but it was ok. in normal there's not enough damage to make it such a big issue.

Grabmoore · January 2018

Yes it's needed, no exceptions

xSkullfox wrote: »

for nmol not rly, u burn most bosses anyway and there's no rl dmg

It's slower to clear the trash without a range taunt though. You theoretically could use meele taunt and shield charge, but a range taunt in combination with line of sight usage helps to clear the mobs efficiently. Also it's easier to burn the hulk on Rakkath fight using a ranged taunt.

Imo, there is no reason not to use it. I'd rather miss heavy armor than a ranged taunt.

Olupajmibanan · January 2018

Nah it's not that big of a deal

OP specifically stated for nMOL trial. For normal version, it is absolutely not necessary.

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