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Remove sneak passive on medium armor.
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Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Medium has :
Increase to stamina regeneration.
Decreased stamina cost of skills
Increased crit
Increased weapon damage
Increased speed while sprinting
Decreased cost of roll dodge
Decreased cost of sneak
Decreased detection size
It really has a ton of great passives in there with the first 6. I dont believe medium should gain any passive form of mitigation, its just not the role of the armor type. If you want that, go with heavy. A passive buff to mitigation would be a huge buff to medium armor that already is seeing more and more developed builds.
With a nerf to immovable pots incoming, medium will be able to stun and change the tide of the fight with its superior damage, like its meant to do, instead of going for a combo with a stun and it having no effect. That is an indirect buff to the medium play style.
There is an issue with the damage sets of medium being weaker than the proc'd damage sets of heavy, that needs addressing, and is one of the only things holding some individuals into heavy armor.
IF medium where to receive a buff to its passives it would have to be a buff to utility. Maybe increase the effectiveness of snares by 20% or when you snare a target, increase your speed by 10%. Something like that.0 -
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Really? the sneak passive is useless. No good players use it.
Um, The sneak passive is a given for medium armor, you would be silly not to pick it, not like there isnt enough skill points out there.0 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.
glad to know that I'm the one who cares about the stuff that matters, not someone's "immersion" this is the reason why medium is under performing, because of "immersion"
Oddly enough, medium armor is worn by PVE questers as well as PVPers and PVE end-gamers. Which is to say that either those sneak passives get moved to some other source - I've got no problem with moving them to legerdemain or something - or they stay on medium armor. You don't get to ask for them to be removed entirely.
Oh, and then you have to convince ZOS that stealth doesn't belong entirely to medium armor users. Good luck with that.
Yes, lets move sneak to ledgerman and have heavy armor stealth classes, thats ALL we need now.1 -
Getern✭✭✭Well, while it doesnt seem to be useful for everyone, I find it usefull for one-shot builds.
Although I can't really tell how big impact it provides.
Stop trying to ruin the game even more. Dont give Zenimax ideas, cause they come with theirs and for the love of god it never ended up good.
ganking is dead. I don't see how getting rid of a useless passive and changing it "ruins the game" medium is underperforming and needs a buff.
Well if u think one-shotting is dead u are clearly exposing ur l2p issue.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.
Agility (Medium Armor Passive)- Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
- Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.
dodge mechanic is cancer. no. just no.
Its not even gonna make medium good. just gonna make it even more cancer vs other stam builds.
So are shields.1 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why would medium armor need anything to help survivability when they have a skill that negates damage 100% evasion? Also dodge roll is very strong another 100% negate to damage.
Medium has advantages and weakness seems balance to me.1 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭If anything I would say either go for a small increase to penetration or 5/10% reduction in damage from AOE. Medium already has plenty of damage buffs though and AOE reduction would make blade cloak super powerful.
That said, this sounds like a pvp thing. In pve every stam DD will be wearing medium and not complaining. For damage output the passives are nicely balanced against light and they really help with resource management.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.
glad to know that I'm the one who cares about the stuff that matters, not someone's "immersion" this is the reason why medium is under performing, because of "immersion"
Oddly enough, medium armor is worn by PVE questers as well as PVPers and PVE end-gamers. Which is to say that either those sneak passives get moved to some other source - I've got no problem with moving them to legerdemain or something - or they stay on medium armor. You don't get to ask for them to be removed entirely.
Oh, and then you have to convince ZOS that stealth doesn't belong entirely to medium armor users. Good luck with that.
Yes, lets move sneak to ledgerman and have heavy armor stealth classes, thats ALL we need now.
Oh, I agree entirely. So its really a choice of do those stealth passives stay limited to medium armor where they are both a pro/con of medium armor or do you trade them for a better medium armor passive while still keeping the passives from another source?
Because those stealth passives are important for content in the game (there's two whole DLC and the Justice system based around stealth not to mention PVP) so they shouldn't be removed just because some combat-oriented people think they are useless. It becomes a matter of where do you want them.
I want them on medium armor because that fits the armor and helps limit the application of those stealth passives. If you want to be stealthy, you have to use medium armor with all the benefits and drawbacks that implies. But for anyone who wants those passives removed, I ask where you want those passives to go. You can't remove them from the game entirely, that's not fair to people who use them. So where do they go that you are willing to accept the consequences thereof, like heavy armor stealth users?2 -
Elvent✭✭✭✭I've recently came back after about a year break. I started doing the thieves guild and dark brotherhood questlines which I didn't bother with before, as a nightblade/medium armor breton and I gotta say Zenimax did a wonderful job on those guilds, I got addicted again.
Anyways, I noticed those sneak passives helped a lot for the missions and those solo scenarios, I would hate to see the passives removed since I noticed a big difference in sneaking as the more points I put in. And the Legerdemain only helps with reducing the cost of sneak which I don't really need since I put all my points into stamina and never seem to run out but if I get any extra points I don't need I'll fill it up eventually.
Hech, I'm even thinking about rerolling Khajiit for their bonus passives to sneaking for extra sneak!
Edited by Elvent on January 29, 2018 12:51PM0 -
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l2p? ganking is dead, I been hit by so many failed attempts at ganks, it isn't even lethal anymore. you clearly know nothing.Well, while it doesnt seem to be useful for everyone, I find it usefull for one-shot builds.
Although I can't really tell how big impact it provides.
Stop trying to ruin the game even more. Dont give Zenimax ideas, cause they come with theirs and for the love of god it never ended up good.
ganking is dead. I don't see how getting rid of a useless passive and changing it "ruins the game" medium is underperforming and needs a buff.
Well if u think one-shotting is dead u are clearly exposing ur l2p issue.1 -
ll_Rev✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.
glad to know that I'm the one who cares about the stuff that matters, not someone's "immersion" this is the reason why medium is under performing, because of "immersion"
Oddly enough, medium armor is worn by PVE questers as well as PVPers and PVE end-gamers. Which is to say that either those sneak passives get moved to some other source - I've got no problem with moving them to legerdemain or something - or they stay on medium armor. You don't get to ask for them to be removed entirely.
Oh, and then you have to convince ZOS that stealth doesn't belong entirely to medium armor users. Good luck with that.
Yes, lets move sneak to ledgerman and have heavy armor stealth classes, thats ALL we need now.
like any good player in heavy would sneak...1 -
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LioraValkyrie✭✭✭✭Make a leaderboard for solo TG heists with weekly rewards of 10k gold plus a random item from the master writ voucher merchant.
This will add a completely new dimension to endgame pve, and make the medium armour sneak passives relevant.
People will flock to anything with a leaderboard, and consider it part of 'the true endgame'.
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remove the sneak passive on medium armor and give us something more useful. Legerdemain already has sneak passives, we don't need more.I'd rather they remove Cloak from nightblades and make it the new Shuffle.
Nope and nope.
I like my passives and my cloak, thank you very much.The Moot Councillor0 -
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✭✭Stealth, sprint and dodge passives on medium armor are extras that light doesn't get. They can be useful, but they are no equivalents to light armor passives that would justify a replacement if they were to be removed and they have nothing at all to do with the reasons why medium armor isn't used a lot in PvP currently.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭✭Remove it and change to another competitive passive for PVE better .
There are too many restriction in PVP .
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✭✭✭✭✭it;s not a nerf if they give us something better. How ignorant can you be?
The point is that "something better" is in the eye of the beholder, and completely dependent on playstyle and player motivation. You think something that would help endgame is "something better". Other people view it differently.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
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it;s not a nerf if they give us something better. How ignorant can you be?
In true ZOS fashion, you mean, "This is a nerf if you used medium armor for sneaking and escaping detection and a buff if you did not."
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✭✭✭✭✭Meh. Sneaking passives should just be the nature I’d both medium and light armor.0 -
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✭I'd rather they remove Cloak from nightblades and make it the new Shuffle.
Yeah just completely remove what makes nightblades unique because you cant be bothered too use a counter ability that you likely feel is lackluster due to it not working 100% of the time. -_-Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0
