Remove sneak passive on medium armor.

ll_Rev

Remove the sneak passive on medium armor and give us something more useful. Legerdemain already has sneak passives, we don't need more.

LordSemaj

I'd rather they remove Cloak from nightblades and make it the new Shuffle.

fosokles

Good points, do you have any ideas on mind.

Narvuntien

I would go with damage reduction after roll dodging or straight AoE damage reduction like blade cloak.

The problem with medium armor is that you get exploded by AoE undodgable damage in both PVE and PVP. While light armor has spell resist (and shields). There is a lot of pressure to use dual wield in PVE because of blade cloak (and having an extra set piece)

dsalter

or just nerf the strength of non-medium sneaking massivly so that having medium armor for stealth actually matters

Anotherone773

dsalter wrote: »

or just nerf the strength of non-medium sneaking massivly so that having medium armor for stealth actually matters

Or they could just make a new class of armor called medium-light inspired by the dark brotherhood family of assassins. Protects like leather, stretches like cotton, feels like silk, quiet as a summer breeze.

joaaocaampos

No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.

Agility (Medium Armor Passive)

• Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
• Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.

Turbotailz

fosokles wrote: »

Good points, do you have any ideas on mind.

hmmm..."strike a pose" to charm multiple of enemies while draining their hp?

O_LYKOS

Remove remove suggestions

SydneyGrey

Please no.
I like the sneak passive.

Gilvoth

i play stealth class, and use stealth passives, please don't remove the passives i need for my stealth class.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@LordSemaj invi detect pots are there for a reason...learn to use them and stop complaining.

LordSemaj

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@LordSemaj invi detect pots are there for a reason...learn to use them and stop complaining.

Who is complaining? My comment about moving Cloak stealth mechanics to all medium armor users instead of making it an exclusive nightblade trait? Where's the complaint? It'd be a buff to medium armor builds, cloaks for everyone. Learn to read.

Didgerion

ll_Rev wrote: »

Remove the sneak passive on medium armor and give us something more useful.

What about new players?

Sneak is their second best option to survive (after zerging).

Are you sir trying to promote zerg groups here?

Integral1900

Medium is pretty much in the bin for me, it gives so little protection that one time, when I was messing with the set up, I had taken it of while wearing a costume. Some friends asked me to join in a run in a trio of dungeons, two normal and one vet. I only realised after that I had done it without any armour on

In all honesty the dodge roll thing is all but worthless in pve as most of the stupid one shot and aoe mechanics simply ignore it, heavy is just right and so is light, medium is a mess. It’s meant to be armour, what kind of armour is worth lugging around if it offers such little mitigation

Ragnarock41

joaaocaampos wrote: »

No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.

Agility (Medium Armor Passive)

• Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
• Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.

dodge mechanic is cancer. no. just no.
Its not even gonna make medium good. just gonna make it even more cancer vs other stam builds.

Vapirko

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i play stealth class, and use stealth passives, please don't remove the passives i need for my stealth class.

There’s already a reduced sneak cost in legerdmain passives, it’s quite strong. It’s just redundant and unnecessary in PvE because of that and pvp for obvious reasons. Both light and heavy armor have passives that all contribute to battle fitness, medium armor, for some reason, has this passive that is completely useless yet it is the main armor type for stamina dps. Extra mitigation on dodge roll or aoe mitigation are very good suggestions. Particularly the aoe damage I think, since that’s a big issue for PvE boss fights where dps are pretty much required to run blade cloak and also for PvP where many of the strongest attacks are aoe.

MasterLenman

Let's move the passive over to heavy, so the choice gets even easier for PvP

Beardimus

More needs to be made of the difference in weights. And medium is sneaking, sorry but it fits.

There should be bigger resistance differences etc I think, but yes considering most of PvP is in heavy sneak / bank passives give this weight a reason

Ratzkifal

Is this a secret nerf magblade thread? Putting cloak on medium armor is not a good idea. Just imagine the stamsorcs now bring able to invisible too of all things. I do want to see medium armor buffed but not like this. The sneak passive should stay too.

Aliyavana

LOL

Ep1kMalware

ll_Rev wrote: »

Remove the sneak passive on medium armor and give us something more useful.

Like phys pen
Crit
Stam return
Dmg reduction
sprint/dodgeroll reduction
skill cost reduction
Increase in dodge chance
Increase crit damage

Literally anything

Vapirko

Beardimus wrote: »

More needs to be made of the difference in weights. And medium is sneaking, sorry but it fits.

There should be bigger resistance differences etc I think, but yes considering most of PvP is in heavy sneak / bank passives give this weight a reason

Except that sneaking is a niche activity that only affects a fraction of pve activities. And again, there’s a sneak cost reduction in legerdmain. No need for two.

Edziu

remove this passive only if it got replaced to get stam regen while sneaking and this would be better

Xithian

That is a terrible idea. Many people actually play stealth. Just because it doesn't fit your specific needs does not mean it is bad.

Medium armor gives us reduced cost, resource regen, crit chance, raw damage, reduced cost of dodge roll, sprint speed, and then the sneak bonuses. Light armor's only bonus is pen, but since light doesn't get the 12% base damage buff I'm more than happy to make that up elsewhere.

It's already pretty well balanced. Deal with having one optional passive that doesn't suit you. Or buy your armor at Build A Bear, I dunno.

efster

no.

jbjondeaueb17_ESO

Between Light and Medium, I don't think you can say Medium is crap.
Light got spell resist but even with that, their resists are lower than Medium (because of lower base values). Medium has to use Blade Cloak ? You know what, Light has to use shield. Light has penetration, very happy as healer to have that, would prefer spell damage, not every Light user is a DD.
Both armors have critical, regen and cost reduction.
Everything else is a bonus for Medium, since Light have nothing else.

LordSemaj

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Is this a secret nerf magblade thread? Putting cloak on medium armor is not a good idea. Just imagine the stamsorcs now bring able to invisible too of all things. I do want to see medium armor buffed but not like this. The sneak passive should stay too.

Why would that be bad? Just run detect pots.

Runschei

No thank you, I like my stealthy nighblades

TheShadowScout

joaaocaampos wrote: »

No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.

Agility (Medium Armor Passive)

• Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
• Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.

I would not mind this replacing the medium armor stealth passive, to make the armor 100% useful for all characters, even the non sneaking ones...
...
...and then add a "stealth" world skill line where people can spend skill points for getting the sneaking passive back regardless of armor, and some other perks for stealth characters (less stamina cost, faster movement, increased stealth detection, resistance to stealth breaking effects, whatever).

amir412

I suggested that they would make a passive that gives major evasion at all times, and maybe add something else for sustain to shuffle. Not need much of a coding for that..