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Remove sneak passive on medium armor.
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LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭I suggested that they would make a passive that gives major evasion at all times, and maybe add something else for sustain to shuffle. Not need much of a coding for that..
Insert Standard Rebuttal:
"It would detract from the skill of the game by putting a heavier reliance on RNG when the game attempts to minimize such occurrences, hence the nerfs to proc sets that were relied on overly, the lack of passive block or dodge chances without applying buffs that other MMOs have, and the non-random damage hits that can calculated precisely. ESO was meant to be more skill based than other MMOs and as free from random chance as was reasonable."
Then they sort of backpedaled on that philosophy and we pray they do not alter the game further.0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Move it to legerdemain. Case closed, 'sneaky' roleplayers satisfied. Medium armor saved.2 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭joaaocaampos wrote: »No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.
Agility (Medium Armor Passive)- Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
- Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.
Hell no, we need LESS passive dodge mechanics in this game, not more.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So how are you planning to replace those sneak passives for those of us who play the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood and very much enjoy that sneak passive, hmm?3 -
MrGarlic✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, absolutely no.
Sneaking around and pinching people's property is one of the things I really enjoy about this game.
I can do it in-game so I don't have to do it in real-life.
So, no. Leave it alone.'Sharp Arrows'Mr.GarlicHidden by darkness, a shadow in the night,A sped arrow dissecting the gloom,Finding it's target, such delight.1 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭joaaocaampos wrote: »No need to "remove". Something needs to be added.
Agility (Medium Armor Passive)- Increases your Weapon Damage by 6%/12%.
- Increases your dodge chance by 3%/5%.
please no passive dodge chance. There have already been to many dodge exploits.
They just need to un-nerf the cost reduction and regen for medium that was done in the clockwork patch.
If they really want to promote medium, then scale down the armor pen in the champion system and give some armor pen to 5pc medium. but the first one is enough.
Medium armor was fine but got nerfed because of CP.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 28, 2018 9:29PM0 -
Getern✭✭✭Well, while it doesnt seem to be useful for everyone, I find it usefull for one-shot builds.
Although I can't really tell how big impact it provides.
Stop trying to ruin the game even more. Dont give Zenimax ideas, cause they come with theirs and for the love of god it never ended up good.1 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, I could care less about people sneaking. If some nonganker is using sneak, he is insignificant anyway. Plus they already CAN sneak. There is 40% cost reduction in legerdemain anyway and another in CP tree.Edited by SodanTok on January 28, 2018 10:16PM1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remove the sneak passive on medium armor and give us something more useful.
As someone who thieves a lot on his PVE toons, you need to be quiet and not speak ever again.
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Xithian✭✭✭LadyLavina wrote: »nope
yes like I said before it's useless once you get good
Not everything in the game is geared towards vet dungeons and trials. The fact that not everything in the game is geared towards endgame is one of the biggest selling points of the game.
As I pointed out in my previous post, light and medium are already pretty balanced against each other combat-wise. You can't get another direct combat buff in medium without giving something else to light.3 -
ll_Rev✭✭✭✭
Yes, I could care less about people sneaking. If some nonganker is using sneak, he is insignificant anyway. Plus they already CAN sneak. There is 40% cost reduction in legerdemain anyway and another in CP tree.
you're the only one here who thinks logically0 -
ll_Rev✭✭✭✭Well, while it doesnt seem to be useful for everyone, I find it usefull for one-shot builds.
Although I can't really tell how big impact it provides.
Stop trying to ruin the game even more. Dont give Zenimax ideas, cause they come with theirs and for the love of god it never ended up good.
ganking is dead. I don't see how getting rid of a useless passive and changing it "ruins the game" medium is underperforming and needs a buff.2 -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭To make medium armor useful they need to buff the weapon damage for wearing it. Light is for magicka damage, heavy is for damage mitigation and medium should be for stamina damage. There just is not enough extra stamina damage to offset the less than stellar damage mitigation.
Some players want to be as stealthy as possible and would not be happy about nerfing the stealth passives. Just buff the increase in damage so stamina characters can burn their enemies fast enough to survive the fight.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.5 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭nope, i like the sneak passive armor...
it helps my immersion!
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ll_Rev✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.
glad to know that I'm the one who cares about the stuff that matters, not someone's "immersion" this is the reason why medium is under performing, because of "immersion"0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam toons are still outperforming magicka toons in trials for DPS. Not sure what's the problem here exactly?1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »So how are you planning to replace those sneak passives for those of us who play the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood and very much enjoy that sneak passive, hmm?TheShadowScout wrote: »...and then add a "stealth" world skill line where people can spend skill points for getting the sneaking passive back regardless of armor, and some other perks for stealth characters (less stamina cost, faster movement, increased stealth detection, resistance to stealth breaking effects, whatever).
I for one would not mind sneaky sorcerors... though for the sake of immersion, I would want any new armor-unrelated sneak skill to take armor into account, and have a -huge- penalty for heavy armor when moving. Hey, if you clink and clank from all that metal, sneaking -should- be panalized, to an extent that is is actually -worse- then now!If you'd do that then everyone can sneak, in light, medium and heavy. Do you really want that in pvp?
How?generalmyrick wrote: »nope, i like the sneak passive armor...
it helps my immersion!
When leather armor makes you sneakier then ninja cloth would???
I agree the passive needs to remain, somewhere.
I do not think it -has- to remain tied to the medium armor...
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’d just make medium and light both just not have stealth penalties and heavy to have the speed and stam penalties and higher detect radius. Give medium some penetration in place.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
as someone who end games, it's useless, and so is your "thieving"
Glad to know you're the only person to whom the armor passives matter, while I'm laughing my way to the bank with Morrowind house motifs.
It may be useless to you, but that doesn't actually make it useless to everyone.
glad to know that I'm the one who cares about the stuff that matters, not someone's "immersion" this is the reason why medium is under performing, because of "immersion"
Oddly enough, medium armor is worn by PVE questers as well as PVPers and PVE end-gamers. Which is to say that either those sneak passives get moved to some other source - I've got no problem with moving them to legerdemain or something - or they stay on medium armor. You don't get to ask for them to be removed entirely.
Oh, and then you have to convince ZOS that stealth doesn't belong entirely to medium armor users. Good luck with that.1
