Limited time timing...

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Davor · January 2018

Radiance wrote: »

Apparently They make more money from Impulse Buyers during Timer Sales than they do from Fiscally responsible individuals over an extended period of time... It is very User-Unfriendly and takes advantage of the layman's Bird-Brained compulsions...

Ooh shiny! ...

Sounds like Games Workshop.

badmojo · January 2018

This thread reminds me of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqtBm_oUpc

Sevalaricgirl · January 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Do people really get paid on the 1st and 15th? Never heard of that.

Happens a lot in the US. I used to get paid on the last day of the month and the 15th.

nimander99 · January 2018

Xithian wrote: »

If your finances are that tight, perhaps you should take a pass on this one anyway...

But yeah, limited time in general is pretty silly.

It may not be that finances are tight, could be that he/she is on a budget and sticks to it. Don't assume someone is broke just because they ask a fairly valid question.

Though in answer to the OP's question id say the very reason the limited time sales occur on off paydays is for that very reason... People spend less money.

Stinkyremy · January 2018

Not meaning to sound like a [snip] but if your financial life is that you are living payday to payday, broke by the next payday, you should probably skip on such petty things like cosmetics for a video game.
Save your cash, start having savings so you have money available for when you do want to be frivolous and buy something for yourself.

This is coming from someone who lived for the weekend for 15 years, paid on friday, broke by monday.

[Edited for bypassing profanity filter]

monktoasty · January 2018

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

They should make a list of upcoming items so you can plan accordingly instead of pop up out of nowhere and say surprise you havev2vdays to buy this. At least a list will let you know on what date an item will be up and for how long. Or do they do.this already

On the off chance you were being serious....

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26277

The showcase is released at the start of every month

Ahh if there is a list then there is little excuse..you can easily pre plan to purchase

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Nerouyn · January 2018

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

Here in Oz it's mostly weekly, though some do get paid fornightly.

I live in Oz and have only ever been paid fortnightly.

GiggleGoat · January 2018

Lol we have nice new mods that are making an effort to interact more with us, we shouldn't scare them off with our saltiness. Limited offers suck but at least we're (mostly) warned of them in advance with the showcases

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Do people really get paid on the 1st and 15th? Never heard of that.

Usually it is at the first day of the month, in the middle of the month and in some cases at the end of the month.

Elsonso · January 2018

Wraith66 wrote: »

Lol we have nice new mods that are making an effort to interact more with us, we shouldn't scare them off with our saltiness. Limited offers suck but at least we're (mostly) warned of them in advance with the showcases

This is how we break them in. If they survive being doused in gasoline, set on fire, run over by a truck, and then stabbed with a pitch fork... Welcome to the Forum!

Anyway, my attitude with Limited Time Offers is that it doesn't matter how long it is in the store. If I like something, can use it, and the price is right, then I buy it right away, whether it is in the store for a couple of days or "forever". If I miss something because I was away from the game

, or not paying attention, then "oh well".

Easily_Lost · January 2018

This may have been said before, but here it goes. Why not buy some Crowns whenever you can afford them, so you will have some for the pop-up sales.

Huyen · January 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Hey Zos, payday is the 1st and 15th. Your limiting time BS for the crow polymorph ends right before payday.

Did you think this through, or do you just throw darts at a calendar?

NIce...my payday is on the last day of the month. So not everyone can be lucky.

MornaBaine · January 2018

Radiance wrote: »

Apparently They make more money from Impulse Buyers during Timer Sales than they do from Fiscally responsible individuals over an extended period of time... It is very User-Unfriendly and takes advantage of the layman's Bird-Brained compulsions...

Ooh shiny! ...

This right here. Perfectly explains the whole thing. This isn't about treating customers well and courteously. It's about taking advantage of what we know about psychology to maximize profit. It's certainly not about making people happy or contributing to overall customer satisfaction. Otherwise "limited time" would actually mean an entire month at minimum.

MornaBaine · January 2018

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23

I completely understand your frustration with this offer ending right before you get paid. Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.
Specifically, people have wildly different pay schedules depending on who their employer is and how that employer chooses to set their pay schedules.

Personally, I've worked jobs that pay weekly, bi-weekly, 1st/15th, once a month, and only upon contract completion and there's probably still a few variants I've never had to deal with. The point being, we'd love to make everyone happy all the time, but we accept that is not always possible and don't hold back offers because of it.

Really? If this company were truly committed to making people happy then a "limited time" offer would span an entire month precisely to take into account the way all players balance their personal budgets. Please take this suggestion to your superiors. We'd appreciate it.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

I also wanted to comment and point out at how tolerant zos is. Look at all of these pointless and inflammatory qq threads are allowed to persist, and don't end up in a forum ban.

I used to manage a store once, and the fastest way to get kicjed out was to insult and harass my employees. Zos tolerance and inability to interfere with game economy (it IS warranted at times) is its biggest downfall, and has cost them both reliable income (subscription model) and a more invested and dedicated playerbase. One that used to push for solid content creation and give the devs more to think about tha costumes.

OP is incarnate of the former group of players, the kind of whiny nincompoops that sent this game downhill. OP you're free to feel frustrated but this is how zos operates now in toleration to an undedicated casual playerbase that only cares about the 'me' and 'now'.

Uh..no..consumers have a right to voice Thier grievances.

There's nothing more selfish or me attitude than those who WANT limited time offers so only THEY have the items and can be l33t

This is correct . The term "the customer is always right" does not mean the customer is always right . It means the day you point out the customer is wrong in any way or do not listen to the customers concerns and lose a customer , you as a buisness person have made a big mistake . That is what that term means to the entrepreneur .

MornaBaine · January 2018

Also, yes there is the showcase so we DO know what items will be coming up on any given month. That much is helpful. As is stockpiling crowns when they are on sale. Then you're set regardless. So I'll give Zeni that. What really grinds peoples' gears is the artificial scarcity tactic being employed on digital items. They really need to stop it and just put everything out at the beginning of the month and leave it there til the end of the month with a special tag on those items that will be disappearing at the end of the month to be recycled into the gamble boxes at a later date.

CelestialSlayer · January 2018

I know I shouldn't say it but "first world problems". Literally people going to food banks and a grown adult is complaining he can't afford a polmorph during the sales because they aren't timed to his lifestyle. Wow!

Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

Xithian wrote: »

If your finances are that tight, perhaps you should take a pass on this one anyway...

But yeah, limited time in general is pretty silly.

That's a bogus mentality. I too am getting paid about 4 days afterwards.

If I could *Just* buy 2000 crowns it would be an issue. But the way they stagger the amounts, Im looking at having to throwat LEAST $35 at the game, just to spend $20 worth of crowns. That's almost a 100% increase in the amount.

I get it; they do it to increase their revenue. But that is beside the point. The point is that the "limited time status" should be, at the very least, lengthened for a time. I personally just came back to the game two days ago after a year+ hiatus to find it with only 4 day timer.

Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @srfrogg23

I completely understand your frustration with this offer ending right before you get paid. Unfortunately, this is a situation where it's difficult, if not impossible, to make everyone happy for the reasons many have stated in this discussion already.
Specifically, people have wildly different pay schedules depending on who their employer is and how that employer chooses to set their pay schedules.

Personally, I've worked jobs that pay weekly, bi-weekly, 1st/15th, once a month, and only upon contract completion and there's probably still a few variants I've never had to deal with. The point being, we'd love to make everyone happy all the time, but we accept that is not always possible and don't hold back offers because of it.

This is a bogus answer if I ever saw one.

The "time" alottment is inane and arbitrary and could easily be extended by a couple weeks on average.

How would ANYONE ALIVE possibly have cause to protest the item being accessible to players?

"But muh exclusionary access" So friggin what.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If this company were truly committed to making people happy then a "limited time" offer would span an entire month precisely to take into account the way all players balance their personal budgets. Please take this suggestion to your superiors. We'd appreciate it.

They're committed to making a profit, just as the employees, moderators, etc. are committed to making a salary. Happiness comes second.

How exactly do you figure extending the "availability" by a couple weeks would eat into profit?

They're going to lose out on profit because people won't be able to buy one of the few worthwhile things that show up on the crown shop.

Imagine a sandwich shop that only sells sandwiches one week of the month. How on earth is that a proper business model?

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Anyway, my attitude with Limited Time Offers is that it doesn't matter how long it is in the store. If I like something, can use it, and the price is right, then I buy it right away, whether it is in the store for a couple of days or "forever". If I miss something because I was away from the game , or not paying attention, then "oh well".

This is a good perspective. 1, 2, 3 years from now, after we've all moved on, this is going to be the last thing on our mind. Can you imagine being on your deathbed thinking, "Oh, I wish I bought that cosmetic item in that game I played 30-50 years ago!"

I bought the game 3 years ago. I still play it for a stretch of a couple months every year, til I get bored.

How then does this statement hold up?

You think you're making a valid argument but you're really just spouting B$. Of course no ones going to think about this on their death bed, but does that automatically mean it isn't a load of dog ish that they market their items like this?

I personally just started a new job a couple weeks ago. Money has been tight so I cant afford the $40 on pixels that I'd be required to buy, in order to pay for a $20 item.

But if the sale were about 5 days longer, or *not temporary* I'd be both able and willing to fork over the cash for it.

They're literally only hurting themselves.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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DoctorESO · January 2018

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Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Anyway, my attitude with Limited Time Offers is that it doesn't matter how long it is in the store. If I like something, can use it, and the price is right, then I buy it right away, whether it is in the store for a couple of days or "forever". If I miss something because I was away from the game , or not paying attention, then "oh well".

This is a good perspective. 1, 2, 3 years from now, after we've all moved on, this is going to be the last thing on our mind. Can you imagine being on your deathbed thinking, "Oh, I wish I bought that cosmetic item in that game I played 30-50 years ago!"

I bought the game 3 years ago. I still play it for a stretch of a couple months every year, til I get bored.

How then does this statement hold up?

You think you're making a valid argument but you're really just spouting B$. Of course no ones going to think about this on their death bed, but does that automatically mean it isn't a load of dog ish that they market their items like this?

I personally just started a new job a couple weeks ago. Money has been tight so I cant afford the $40 on pixels that I'd be required to buy, in order to pay for a $20 item.

But if the sale were about 5 days longer, or *not temporary* I'd be both able and willing to fork over the cash for it.

They're literally only hurting themselves.

I guarantee you that in five years, even if you're still playing, you're not going to really care about whether you bought this wraith of crows polymorph. You will have had the opportunity to buy much better things, and you will also have had great gameplaying experiences that overshadow any thought of having missed out.

Yeah excepting for the fact that I will see people in it and remember the time I got burned by the bunch of bozos that is the ESO team

Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If this company were truly committed to making people happy then a "limited time" offer would span an entire month precisely to take into account the way all players balance their personal budgets. Please take this suggestion to your superiors. We'd appreciate it.

They're committed to making a profit, just as the employees, moderators, etc. are committed to making a salary. Happiness comes second.

How exactly do you figure extending the "availability" by a couple weeks would eat into profit?

They're going to lose out on profit because people won't be able to buy one of the few worthwhile things that show up on the crown shop.

Imagine a sandwich shop that only sells sandwiches one week of the month. How on earth is that a proper business model?

They do a calculation, like the one below:

Gross revenue = (sale price) * (quantity)

Gross revenue = ($10.00) * (quantity)

If item is on sale for 3 days only, then we expect the quantity to be 10,000 due to hype and impulse buys. This equates to $10.00 * 10,000 = $100,000

However, if the item is on sale for 30 days, then we expect the quantity to only be 7,500, despite the sale going on for longer, because people will not be buying on hype and impulse. This equates to $10.00 * 7,500 = $75,000.

They can use that extra $25,000 to help pay for another forum moderator.

Okay so then logic would dictate that in the long run they would make more money by leaving the item up permanently. Even if they make 1k, even $500/month as oppsoed to 10k in a week. They're literally taking it off the market and thus restricting their ability to count it as a source of revenue.

It's ass backwards, and downright indefensible, try as you might to object and stand up for this bunch of jabroni's

Twenty0zTsunami · January 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Do people really get paid on the 1st and 15th? Never heard of that.

It's obscenely common, and if you're not from the states I understand, however if you are from the states I must assume that you've never held a job