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Was the Storm Atronach Ninja nerfed ?
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?Invictus
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Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
It's a niche ult. From a pvp perspective,Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I don't think that's exactly what she meant. She means, that it should apply compareable pressure. it's a medium range, immobile single target ult that is only dealing damage, when you use the daedric prey morph and is ccable. Yes, it should be much more powerful.Auri-El is my lord,
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
It's a niche ult. From a pvp perspective,Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I don't think that's exactly what she meant. She means, that it should apply compareable pressure. it's a medium range, immobile single target ult that is only dealing damage, when you use the daedric prey morph and is ccable. Yes, it should be much more powerful.
How can you expect an Ultimate that last 28 seconds to offer comparable pressure to an ultimate that last 7 seconds? Don't be ridiculous.Invictus
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Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
It certainly need to be feared more then it is now, when im fighting a magsorc who uses this pet I just make sure to focus a littlebit more on healing while its up. Its not a big danger atm. Id want to see atronach buffed via even more dmg, or slightly mobile.
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WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
It's a niche ult. From a pvp perspective,Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I don't think that's exactly what she meant. She means, that it should apply compareable pressure. it's a medium range, immobile single target ult that is only dealing damage, when you use the daedric prey morph and is ccable. Yes, it should be much more powerful.
How can you expect an Ultimate that last 28 seconds to offer comparable pressure to an ultimate that last 7 seconds? Don't be ridiculous.
I'll just throw my Two Cents in here.
If the Atronach did 1/4th of the Damage EoTS was capable of, it would still apply a reasonably intimidating amount of pressure on an area.
How odd - 28 seconds is 4 times longer than 7 seconds.
I'm assuming that would provide at least a measure of the "Pressure" that people would hope for from this Ult.
Either way, from an aesthetic perspective, having a large collection of stone and electricity vaguely shaped like a humanoid drop on to you and start blasting the area with an electric fury should cause a little more concern.. Let alone a little more damage.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It just looks cool, as long as it looks cool I'll use it in non Trial pve, cuz like you don't need ults lol0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really hope this is fixed by launch. Having a class ultimate that a stam sorc could use properly with max stam scaling sounded too good to be true. The same issue happens with Overload. Just doesn't scale as well with stamina. I'm surprised there is pushback against this idea in this thread but I guess that's what happens every time sorcs are teased with a cookie.
Why do some people not want ults to actually feel powerful? I think we need to rename them something else other than "Ultimates."
Maybe call them "just another skill, that you can only use occasionally but just hits as hard as base skills."
DK standards used to be a big deal, Negates used to be a big deal. Now a two piece monster sets can stand in for negates and you never see standards anymore.
The real reason of course is that the champion system is causing so much power creep and so much of our characters power has been locked behind CP, that everything else has to be toned down in order balance the game. If you ever want your characters to have powerful gear and powerful abilities again, CP must go.
But why scale this ult on spell pen? Why was implosion scaled off max health. Does ZOS fix sorc, think its too powerful when working as intended, then just pick a different stat to scale it off to tone it down a bit?
"Hmmm, we made atronarc work like it should, like all other ults work, but now sorcs feel too awesome, we cant have that. I know, lets scale it off spell pen and armor instead, I'm sure they won't notice." Dracane notices everything my friends. Nice try though.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 27, 2018 9:23PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Why was it done?
Because this wouldn’t be a complete patch note set without a Sorc nerf thrown in.
Thanks ZOS. Just thanks.
ZOS calls an emergency design meeting! Edited by Minalan on January 27, 2018 10:26PM10 -
Erraln✭✭✭✭✭Y'all know it's like, 30% stronger than on Live if you're actually specced and CP'd properly, right?
Nonvet PvP is an edge case.Edited by Erraln on January 28, 2018 12:52AM0 -
Gothren✭✭✭✭✭im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Y'all know it's like, 30% stronger than on Live if you're actually specced and CP'd properly, right?
Nonvet PvP is an edge case.
Totally not true, under no circumstances.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.
It was a good single target ult even before this update. Just none of you ever used it. It was the best performing single target ult all the time.Auri-El is my lord,
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
Gothren✭✭✭✭✭im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.
It was a good single target ult even before this update. Just none of you ever used it. It was the best performing single target ult all the time.
what do you mean by "you". I've been using the good ol atro since early access beta when pets were trash I've always been more focused on the performance of pets in both pvp and pve rather than just the raw numbers. come on Drac you are not the only longterm summoner/pet sorc out there
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?Edited by Kilandros on January 28, 2018 2:40AMInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.
It was a good single target ult even before this update. Just none of you ever used it. It was the best performing single target ult all the time.
Does it benefit from Warhorn?
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.
It was a good single target ult even before this update. Just none of you ever used it. It was the best performing single target ult all the time.
what do you mean by "you". I've been using the good ol atro since early access beta when pets were trash I've always been more focused on the performance of pets in both pvp and pve rather than just the raw numbers. come on Drac you are not the only longterm summoner/pet sorc out there #NeverForgetBolterity
I know no other. So not sure.im not on pts, but i watch alcast videos which he stated in his last video the storm atronach was performing better than destro ult. I have no ideo though. can't wait to test it when it goes live.
It was a good single target ult even before this update. Just none of you ever used it. It was the best performing single target ult all the time.
Does it benefit from Warhorn?
(o_o)?
On live, the Atronach only scales with Magicka and spell damage. So yes.
Or do you mean major force ? It works on pts, but not on live.Auri-El is my lord,
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yup, Drac, the Major Force effect was my concern. If it now actually works, Atro might be worth taking a look at. But remember, it can be killed and stunned.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.Edited by Derra on January 28, 2018 11:52AM<Noricum>
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
ZoS buffed PvE damage of atronach but nerfed the BG and non cp damage + most of player in cp PvP.
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Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
It can also be cc which will take away 5 sec of the damage and if it dies it is completely wasted.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
So it sounds to me like the issue isn't the damage per se, but rather the mechanics of the Atro itself making that damage unreliable. Seems clear to me what kind of buff it needs then, right?Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
So it sounds to me like the issue isn't the damage per se, but rather the mechanics of the Atro itself making that damage unreliable. Seems clear to me what kind of buff it needs then, right?
It´s both currently - dmg and underlying mechanics are less than optimal with the only thing it has going for it being the gigantic hitbox and the games horrible targetting system.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
So it sounds to me like the issue isn't the damage per se, but rather the mechanics of the Atro itself making that damage unreliable. Seems clear to me what kind of buff it needs then, right?
It´s both currently - dmg and underlying mechanics are less than optimal with the only thing it has going for it being the gigantic hitbox and the games horrible targetting system.
TBH it probably needs a total rework. But I don't think buffing the damage to some extreme number is the solution.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
So it sounds to me like the issue isn't the damage per se, but rather the mechanics of the Atro itself making that damage unreliable. Seems clear to me what kind of buff it needs then, right?
It´s both currently - dmg and underlying mechanics are less than optimal with the only thing it has going for it being the gigantic hitbox and the games horrible targetting system.
TBH it probably needs a total rework. But I don't think buffing the damage to some extreme number is the solution.
100% agreed. Pets in general need a total rework and have been needing that for pvp since Day1. But that´s also why people like me don´t believe it´s going to happen ever
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I just wonder what's going on in the mind of the folks who make these decisions.
This ultimate does cost 200. Not 75. It should have some feel powerful to use. It isn't.
Yeah, considering the fact that it's stationary, and anyone can run away from it, it ought to to do at least as much damage as the Destro ult.
You think an ultimate that last 28 seconds should do as much damage per tick as destro ult? Are you trolling?
I mean it should do as much total damage. It doesn't even come close to that now.
Doesn't it already do that much damage or come quite close to it on Live (single target, of course). Atro last 4x as long as Destro (28 seconds / 7 seconds), and a full-damage spec bomblade can achieve ~8k destro crit ticks (higher on pugs who don't wear impen). That means Atro needs to do about 2k per crit tick to approximate the total damage of a Destro ult on single target over 28 seconds.
Is a 2k crit tick on Atro unrealistic on Live? I think Magicka Sorcs are able to get that type of damage out of Atro without having to run Clever Alchemist like NBs run to maximize their Destro ult potential.
Obviously your damage might be considerably lower. I don't know what build you run. But if you don't run a full class-canon build and your Destro crit ticks for 4-5k, then it stands to reason you should expect around 1k per crit tick on your Atro. Not terribly exciting, but if you're looking for Destro level pressure/damage might I suggest....running destro?
Ok i´m gonna be nice:
On a capable opponent that wants to avoid the dmg of the ultimate a destro magblade will still deal 100% of the dmg of eye of the storm.
A sorc with attronarch will deal the tick of the initial impact (if it does not miss due to animation delay) and maybe 1 or 2 ticks of dmg.
It´s a ccable immobile ultimate that does not even have the same range as players. Given how easy it is to avoid the damage completely the theoretical dmg potential of attronarch should be much higher than destroult.
Not even going into the aoe morph here bc when comparing those it gets completely rediculous.
So it sounds to me like the issue isn't the damage per se, but rather the mechanics of the Atro itself making that damage unreliable. Seems clear to me what kind of buff it needs then, right?
It´s both currently - dmg and underlying mechanics are less than optimal with the only thing it has going for it being the gigantic hitbox and the games horrible targetting system.
TBH it probably needs a total rework. But I don't think buffing the damage to some extreme number is the solution.
100% agreed. Pets in general need a total rework and have been needing that for pvp since Day1. But that´s also why people like me don´t believe it´s going to happen ever
Yeah
I remember at launch Sorc was my first class and main and I advocated heavily for a change to pets that never came. Eventually I switched to DK. Ironically I'm back to Sorc, this time stam tho lol Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0