DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I think it's better to just report those who take advantage of their posting privileges. There are some folk who post rather often whose content is worthwhile.

Probably true. But there could be case by case sanctioning for accounts that post the same thing over and over, reported, or abusive...or who create WoW comparison threads

Illurian wrote: »

The point isn't about liking/disliking a specific person or their threads. It's about the implications of one person (or a handful of people) posting the same inane topics over and over that have either been hashed, rehashed and beaten into oblivion, or simply do not contribute anything useful or beneficial to the community. (Sure, what is considered useful or beneficial may be subjective, but for all intents and purposes of this discussion, let's just roll with what the majority of the community considers useful/beneficial.) These inane threads take up room on the front page of the forums (otherwise known as clutter), which push other threads (that may or may not be more beneficial/interesting/important discussions) down to the next pages, otherwise known as the abyss.

If the search option was better and more advanced )e.g I could search specific subforum etc) your suggestion would work.

You're talking as if there was literally ONE available forum here whereas these boards have various subcategories, some more technical than others, aaaaaaaaaaaand "general discussion" is one of them. And my intuition tells me, but I may be wrong, that's the one that "inspired" the daily/ weekly thread cap idea? I am curious. I suspect that this forum was created for more "lighter" and "chill" conversations, and yes, whether they're ranting, praising, or coming up with ESO-related topics out of blue, so to speak.

BECAUSE I modded quite a few forums in my "virtual" life I beg to differ. While there are instances of so called "beating a dead horse" or "necro" a thread, generally though every post brings something new to the table, some new observation, opinion regardless it was already talked about a month prior or not. Especially if you're a new player, or seeking advice as a new player, or want to vent about some eso-related issue. From my experience the rotation on forums such like this one is big. And, I bet, the largest group of readership here is ... guests (I was one of them for a few months, actually) as well as players who registered but never posted.
Something that is "beaten to death" to you may be completely a new thing to someone else. From my experience, people who make the most active group on the forums are those who get easily annoyed with the so called "repetitive" topics too. It makes sense as they're usually most up-to-date and experienced players. But guess what, you can't win with this and the thread cap won't change it.
If some topics hadn't been brought up recently again I wouldn't have even known about some tips or issues, you realise. Unless it's one of the absolute "must" rules to read ALL the posts these forums contain...before making a post yourself (because gods forbid to write about something that was already discussed)? Having said that, I try to do the search first in case a topic was brought up, especially if it was done recently. And again, search option sucks on these boards. But, anyway, an average forum goer or a new player doesn't do that. And sometimes, being new, doesn't even understand terms or eso slang used by ESO-ers here. I know that it may be hard to imagine for someone who plays ESO since launch.


The reason why I object such "caps" or anything that limits a poster is that it smells, and leads to, like censorship and policing....WHICH , I feel, take place on these boards already. Interestingly enough, it's players policing other players..as if not understanding that people need to vent sometimes or talk about eso in a non "zehrious" way. THAT'S what the General Discussion is for. But apparently, I am wrong...

NOW, ideally, these boards should have filter options and, as already suggested in this thread, an ignore option that would solve many of the issues you brought up in your op.

Thumbs up/down, +1/-1 etc have been a part of almost every forum I've been on. I find it hard to believe that you've "owned and modded" as many forums have you say you have and never come across a system like this.

It's very easy to believe, actually. I've been on the "Interwebs" since 1997, you see. I stopped being an avid forum participant/goer around 2006 (that is up until recently) when I got burnt out and limited my "social" or thematic platforms to Facebook or just reading certain thematic forums (Like I did this one before I decided to come out of the shadows, so to speak) So it's been 11 years. and I don't remember a forum platform I ever set up on my server, or modded, had things like "insightful", "agree", or "awesome" options on them back then. More, people caring a little too much about these. But it was a different era back then, I guess.

As you can see it's very POSSIBLE.

HELL YES.

Some of the people here joined forums month ago and made already over 80 threads... *cough cough*.

For me it looks like a regular spam, just to farm forum stars. These discussions doesn't even discuss game problems or other important things. They're just flooding the forums everyday, all made by the same person.

I think 1 thread per day could be enough.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I think it's better to just report those who take advantage of their posting privileges. There are some folk who post rather often whose content is worthwhile.

My post calling that person out got reported and deleted.

So.... good luck.

Edit: Not on this thread, on one of their many others.

Report, not post. Calling folks out is apparently against the forum rules. Use the report option instead?

had this specific topic ever come up before?

I remember we've had folks in the past whom have joined the forums and been extremely active for 4 to 6 months or so...excited to discover a new community...

then fallen quiet...

this seems to fall in to the sketchy realm of judging the quality of a thread...not sure that's a good thing - thread rating...

then again - every thought/thread should get a fair shot at being read...

maybe simply being prolific shouldn't guarantee you to have the loudest voice...

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind...

@ANGEL_BtVS you don't get points for posts unless they unlock a post no. badge.
Full forums guide can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349256/unofficial-forum-faq/p1

If a comment gets removed by a mod that had insightfuls or awesomes on it do I get go keep those or do I lose them?

@Apache_Kid I think you keep them, but I am not 100% sure. I've never notice mine go down when I have been moderated.

Some people just cant stop

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Apologies for tagging you and pulling you into this unfortunate topic, Gina, but I would like to say some words that I feel may be worth being read by the community representatives.

That said, coming to point. In my opinion, the situation here is the epitome of the problem of detailed forum guidelines.

A community member uses these forum rules against their intention, by effectively trolling a large part of the community without ever stepping over the line of the rigid rules, and therefore creating an uncomfortable environment, promoting rule violations by other forum goers.

This is being achieved by a simple measure: The author started off creating topics on issues that have been discussed many times and every single time caused heated to and fro due to its disruptiveness. Re-creating these discussions by new posts effectively circumvented moderator action due to thread necromancy. The author's undoubtedly high proficiency with the language effectively refuelled the conflict, again without stepping over any line given in the community rules.

Escalating the efficiency of this strategy by a very high posting frequency, the author just had to wait for the fuel to catch fire.

As soon as an increased involvement was apparent, the author used many subtle strategies to further increase the effects: Changing icons ensured that even people who decided to not involve themselves in this game got pulled into it. Frequently using polls promote involvement. Posting topics with very very little involvement afterwards, thus not reacting to any comments directed at him.

A sizeable portion of the frequent forum visitors is by now unfavourably inclined against any and all posts by said person. The author now uses another very subtle strategy to again escalate the situation. By using fringe topics that the majority of forum population would not involve themselves with, he plays on people's annoyance and gets people to post off topic replies into these fringe topics. Using the same method as before (fire-and-forget), these offtopic comments drift off into insults and forum violations quite quickly.

This morning now cumulated into another peak. A topic with content that almost requires consent, in the form of a poll that only allows assent of the author's opinion. Furthermore, with the background of the behaviour as described before, the author is arrogating the right to talk in the name of those that have been relentlessly riled up over a months worth of time.

All of these measures seem to serve only a single purpose, which is usually described as baiting.

Now I know that the only appropriate behaviour against that woud be ignorance of said author. Sadly, this was - from the start - taken into account by the author. The ignore function does not allow to remove topics, only sub-posts.

In summary, this person, even though superficially not doing anything against forum rules, has broken the big two: trolling and baiting. Sadly, many have taken the bait.

I would seriously suggest to discuss this issue in depth between the mods and try to find a solution within the frame given.

Thanks for reading.

This is probably the best breakdown so far. Kudos to you, @Leandor.

DoctorESO wrote: »

I am not aware of anyone, at least yet, who creates 10 threads a day or who spams the forums. Also, the current "likes/points" system in place now only rewards meaningful posts. Simply creating a thread or comment does nothing. And all of that assumes people actually care about stars, points, or what have you. At least in my mind, the number of stars a poster has means nothing, and I haven't seen anyone on these forums, at least yet, who thinks otherwise.

If people are interested in a particular topic, they will post in the thread, and that thread will remain in the front-most pages of a category. Conversely, if people are not interested in a particular topic, they will not post, and that thread will fall to the back-most pages of a category. This is the capitalism/supply-demand equivalent of the people as a whole determining how valuable or important a particular topic is. This game caters to all segments of people with varying interests. What one person thinks is important is not necessarily reflective of the community as a whole. This is true in our larger world, as well.

Now, I will say that some topics, particularly those involving builds and nerfs, generate emotionally-charged responses from some people. That is not the fault of the topics. Healthy debate is a necessity in a society, and it is a life skill that everyone should learn, lest they relegate themselves to an unnecessarily difficult life. If you find yourself getting out of control, take a step back. The fact that someone expressed an opinion shouldn't get you any angrier than you would if the same person remained silent despite still having the opinion. In the end, everything is going to be all right. :-)

Says the person with 9 threads on the front page (at the time of posting).

DoctorESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

person with 9 threads on the front page (at the time of posting).

Illurian wrote: »

Wow, I actually just went to count and you weren't even exaggerating. 9 threads on the front page exactly.

One person went through all of someone's old threads and bumped them all. Practically anyone can do that to anyone here.

Aye, which wasn't the smartest move however, two wrongs do not a right make.

Maybe slow down a bit on your posting? As you can see it's not very popular. I don't understand why you'd continue to do something that you know is irritating. I guess because...you can?

DoctorESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

person with 9 threads on the front page (at the time of posting).

Illurian wrote: »

Wow, I actually just went to count and you weren't even exaggerating. 9 threads on the front page exactly.

One person went through all of someone's old threads and bumped them all. Practically anyone can do that to anyone here.

I noticed this as well. Those who are actively trying to find more fuel in all this should probably stop lest they burn themselves in their crusade.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

person with 9 threads on the front page (at the time of posting).

Illurian wrote: »

Wow, I actually just went to count and you weren't even exaggerating. 9 threads on the front page exactly.

One person went through all of someone's old threads and bumped them all. Practically anyone can do that to anyone here.

I noticed this as well. Those who are actively trying to find more fuel in all this should probably stop lest they burn themselves in their crusade.

Perhaps. But as I was trying to point out with a bit of humor, you can’t really claim they were nercoed or even that that the theads are ‘old’.

At most you can say well someone went through and bumped my threads that had already fallen off the front page to make it look worst then it is. And I don’t really think there is a rule against bumping post that fell off the front page. So unless they are also doing something else, I’m not sure how they would burn themselves.

Although it is an ESO forum and they can pretty much make up the rules as they go. So who knows.

Bumping is against the rules. Mods get to decide what is bumping, and what is not.

"2.7 You may not disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms, message forums or games with vulgar language, abusive behavior, multiple key returns or posting large images in an attempt to disturb other users. Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], bumping and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated."