DDuke wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

...veiled strike. When are piercing mark and/or cloak being fixed? When are you going to do something about Miats?

The changes for Miat's isn't something we're including in an incremental patch, and will be in a larger update (as @lordrichter mentioned). Regarding Piercing Mark and Cloak, you'll need to be a bit more specific. Simply saying "when will it be fixed" without any context prevents us from looking up specific issues and checking on status, and actually makes it take longer to communicate. In doing a quick search across the bug reports here on the forums, there's nothing even mentioning Piercing Mark.

November 28th. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4675293#Comment_4675293


So apparently we'll be waiting until next update (which is a shame), but atleast there'll be something to look forward to in next update (January/February~ I guess).

There is a wait, but it would be reckless of them to do it in a patch, rather than an update. This has the potential to break a lot more than Miat's. Stuff in their own code. It needs to be done right.

Jade1986 wrote: »

Thank god, then potatoes wont be able to dodge or block my charge abilities while looking away anymore!

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know exactly what it is that they are seeing that they are "not comfortable with" and to what extent they will change the API to resolve that.

So by the looks of it , they are making some good changers for these that cryed so hard , but you know , u have to do this so things get done , i hope people are happy

Inarre wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So by the looks of it , they are making some good changers for these that cryed so hard , but you know , u have to do this so things get done , i hope people are happy

I guess you didn't want this thread to die huh. You're close. It's almost a necro. Almost.

well every one should be happy know , and the cancer should of died lol hahhahah

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

You know you suck [snip] if you have to use this kind of carbage addon.

I truly hope people using miat etc gets their accounts perma banned

lol this is just stupid, if u got wat u wanted , the game would lose so much of its player base the game would die.
All so i dont really suck it life but i use it ,
I %100 bet i would kill u in a 1v1 in seconds

[Edited for quote]

geonsocal wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

I %100 bet i would kill u in a 1v1 in seconds

OMG this is the best thing man lol
well played

Chronicburn wrote: »

Add jewelcrafting to sets

Yes I definitely need another 8000 unique mats in my craft bag

StaticWave wrote: »

Funny thing is a lot of these “Miat’s a cheat” complainers also happen to be bowtards, gankblades, or zerglings. The truth is, if there weren’t such cowards that utilize those playstyles, this addon wouldn’t even be that big of an issue, since it only gives you information about ranged attacks and gap closers, not melee ones. There are more useful things Miat can offer, such as visual alert of keeps and resources nearby, numbers of friendly and enemy players around you, etc. Perhaps, if these complainers actually step outside of their comfort zone and learn to pvp, they’ll know that miat’s contribution to winning a fight is barely noticable. Any good dueler or 1vXer will have already achieved a state of awareness and game sense that they can comfortably anticipate an enemy’s moves. Blaming an addon for your lack of success in PvP is a cop out.

I miss that LOL button

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't like Miat's addon. Not because I think it's cheating but because I believe it gives the player using it an advantage over one that isn't using it.

Good troll, seriously. You almost had me. First it's not cheating, then you go on to use the definition of cheating to describe why you don't like it. I almost thought this was serious for a second.

Without watching the video, or reading thru all of the pages here, i just want to state my opinion if using Miat´s is "cheating" or not.

I bought the game, and i have full access to all dlc/ chapters. I expect to encounter (especially in PvP) no other player that has an active or passive advantage over me by the use of a ( de facto) 3rd party addon. This features are not part of the game, so its ( in my opinion ) cheating.

I use myself addons, for some personal improvements of gameplay, but none of those have active or passive effects that influence other players gameplay, nor give they any advantage to me to be " better" against npc´s or players inside or outside of PvP areas.

Its only legit if its in the game. If it comes from outside - its a cheat.
Not everyone will use it, not everyone will know it, not everyone wants it. Simple.
Pls fix this loophole

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't like Miat's addon. Not because I think it's cheating but because I believe it gives the player using it an advantage over one that isn't using it. I don't believe 3rd party addons/programs should give players advantages (especially in PvP).

"cheat
tʃiːt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
"she always cheats at cards"

2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"
synonyms: avoid, escape, evade, elude, steer clear of, dodge, duck, miss, sidestep, bypass, skirt, shun, eschew;"

Context should be applied too both views of the word HOWEVER the point still stands;

Yes, yes it really is cheating. You are acting dishonestly and/or unfairly by using 3rd party tools too "outplay" your opponent when your opponent isnt using it and or is not aware of its existence as it is not an originally intended piece of content, its 3rd party.

"buuhh its an add on". It doesnt matter. If a game has add ons and allows you too see through walls is that still not a wall hack?

"buuhh its an add on". It doesnt matter. If a game has add ons and allows you too see through walls is that still not a wall hack?

It seems that way to you because you probably don’t understand the technical background. Any addon that only uses the API calls the developers themselves made public can by definition not be cheating. To save myself a lengthy explanation I forward you to @InvitationNotFound instead. Just search for his posts on the matter let yourself be enlightened.

Sorry but am I the only one that instantly thought this had zero credibility due to the completely pathetic attempt at English in the title.

I haven’t watched the video, assuming it’s not his first language.

Sharee wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't like Miat's addon. Not because I think it's cheating but because I believe it gives the player using it an advantage over one that isn't using it. I don't believe 3rd party addons/programs should give players advantages (especially in PvP).

"cheat
tʃiːt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating

1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
"she always cheats at cards"

2. avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"
synonyms: avoid, escape, evade, elude, steer clear of, dodge, duck, miss, sidestep, bypass, skirt, shun, eschew;"

Yes, yes it really is cheating. You are acting dishonestly and/or unfairly by using 3rd party tools too "outplay" your opponent when your opponent isnt using it and or is not aware of its existence.

I have to play the devil's advocate here and oppose you.

Cheating here also implies breaking of the rules of the game. Otherwise your definition of cheating is too broad.

"Act dishonestly or unfairly to gain an advantage" could also be applied to, say, attacking a lone player with 3 of your friends. A 4 vs 1 certainly isn't fair, and you are doing it to gain an advantage. Yet nobody would call that cheating.

No, the players using Miat are technically not cheating if addons are allowed. Cheesing the system, perhaps. But the blame for that has to be put where it belongs - ZOS, for making rules that allow this.

The big difference with that is, players in the game willingly go into Cyrodil or battlegrounds knowing that they can be put against groups of 4 or 5 or even more when they're just one or two. This happens to me all the time. We know that and we have the opportunity to group with larger people as a result because its part of the intended game content. You cannot actively do this with the add on and the average player because they will have no idea about most add ons apart from MM or lui extended. Not this.

This is ridiculous its like taking a knife to a bar, stabbing someone then admitting too the stabbing and just being like "what m8? problem?" but then getting off scot free because the police find no evidence of foul play or the crime. The only reason this add on is remotely allowed is purely because ZoS did not forsee this even happening. So long as they patch it and make it illegal as an add on ill be happy.

With the "add on" its actually impossible for everyone too know because it irreparably changes the manner or nearly 80% of fighters as a vast majority of builds in Cyrodil are ranged based and the add on specifically targets ranged as well. If this was not the case I doubt this would of even bubbled too the surface again.

Id also like too note that just because something is not illegal there are unspoken laws and while they dont apply too most people because "fiction" a vast majority of gaming communities will call something cheating when they give you an unfair advantage over another due to a technicality or loophole in the base game as a result this garners resentment and a willingness to hate on said individual creator of the item in question AND the people who use it. There is also the ethical and moral thought process for this which has already been voiced by others so i wont go into it.

Simply put, just because it can be made doesn't mean you should. Just because you can use it doesn't mean you should. Just because you're bad doesn't mean you should cheat the very spirit of fair play in a competitive environment for the most insignificant ego boost in history (because bad at reading opponents abilities leading up to follow up ranged attacks and charges). If you use this add on, what kind of trash player are you? (This is meant generally and not directed at you just FYI).