Animation Canceling

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Aedaryl · January 2018

Sorry but no.

Cut anim wasn't the intention of ZoS, but they created it, wasn't able to fix it, and now it's part of the game.

That's why it will never be taken away. They just can't do it.

This is not a joke, really.

BigBadVolk · January 2018

Dymence · January 2018

Do more research, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll help you out.

There is a global cooldown of 1 second after every ability you cast. NOTHING can bypass this global cooldown. Not animation cancelling, not macros.

Macroslice has nothing to do with macros itself. A macroslice occurs because the server can't keep up with the input traffic and queues abilities up infinitely and then fires them all off at once. This will simply happen in situation with a lot of data transfer (PVP, trials). Players have no control over this.

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Your probably right about ZoS creating the problem , but your wrong about their ability to fix it. Let the animation play all the way through as intended and just tie the ability or spell associated with the ability or spell , to cancel the ability or spell from ever going off , if you cancel it.

No way in hell that would be impossible OR hard to do. Anyhow this kind of crap is what hurts the game and player base. ZoS better be glad no other good MMO has come out in awhile rofl.

exeeter702 · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

You do not have nearly enough of an understanding as to what is going on and why it exists to even attempt creating a dialogue on the subject. Your post was hard to read for many reasons all of which suggest you should really try to understand the system before trying to break down why you want it changed..

LiquidPony · January 2018

L2P.

Git gud.

Delete this thread.

Etc., etc.

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Dymence wrote: »

Do more research, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll help you out.

There is a global cooldown of 1 second after every ability you cast. NOTHING can bypass this global cooldown. Not animation cancelling, not macros.

Macroslice has nothing to do with macros itself. A macroslice occurs because the server can't keep up with the input traffic and queues abilities up infinitely and then fires them all off at once. This will simply happen in situation with a lot of data transfer (PVP, trials). Players have no control over this.

That's a load of crap haha. If that was the case , everyone would have this happening especially in LARGE Graphic fights. Every time anyone posts about this sort of thing , there is always 1 or even a few people spout off some gibberish to try and make sense or make it look legit .

As if the name macroslice isn't good enough. Hell i wish 1 time all my qued spells would fire at once and give me a free millasecond kill rofl. That's such a load of garbage.

Because we ALL know that every one of us are instant 1 kill wonders and its all due to lagg and traffic data. It's really the server that's the super killer right rofl? For some reason, there is ALWAYS the same people and select few that ONLY they have this happen to them , Hmmmm , gee thats weird huh? GTFOOH

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

LiquidPony wrote: »

L2P.

Git gud.

Delete this thread.

Etc., etc.

And #2 shows up rofl. Probably looks just like the *** in the last video

Nifty2g · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Apart from you not understanding global cooldowns which dymence already said, you have no idea how macros work either.

Lets assume that high level players are using macros, and lets assume that a macro is pressing a sequence of buttons and taking in that they are taking into account of light attacks

For the scenario I'll use PvE cause PvP is too dynamic for macro use and would likely get you killed most of the time as you can't just stand there firing off your macro you would need to use a shield or heal yourself as a macro can't do that on the fly for you, and with the amount of skill lag in PvP and ESO a macro would either *** up or just flat out not work.
So you're using your macro letting it go off, you take a bunch of damage and don't shield up or lets say you're asked to do a mechanic on the fly cause someone else can't do it, what do you do then?

See this doesn't work, there's no way players are using sequence of skills macros, the only way a player could use a macro is if they are showing off a build video cause they want it to look perfect, but even then what is the point?

The only way I can see a macro being useful in this game is a single press macro, which would obviously be a light attack weaving macro, which even then is almost pointless cause I doubt you are going to be pressing skills at the same time your macro is working.

So, macros in ESO... it's completely useless, stop making up dumb forum topics cause players are better than you, git gud

LiquidPony · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

L2P.

Git gud.

Delete this thread.

Etc., etc.

And #2 shows up rofl. Probably looks just like the *** in the last video

Yeah I use my I33th4x0rTr0N 5000 hackmachine to execute my wicked macroslice infinite ulti burst combos.

In fact, I bet everyone who wrecks you when you go in PvP is a big fat cheater just like me. Don't let it bother you. You're still the best because everyone who beats you is a cheater.

Nifty2g · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

No way in hell that would be impossible OR hard to do. Anyhow this kind of crap is what hurts the game and player base. ZoS better be glad no other good MMO has come out in awhile rofl.

No it doesn't the whole point of ESO is to be fast paced, they've said that in the past. If anything the way ESO has it now is actually why it's above other games in terms of combat not the other way around

Lets make another scenario shall we, lets assume they force animations and they make block and light attacks no longer on a different cooldown or priority casts cause of this.

Now lets say you are using a skill like dark flare for example or radiant oppression, you are now stuck in this animation for the full duration.

That is all that is needed to say about this idea you have.

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Nifty2g wrote: »

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Apart from you not understanding global cooldowns which dymence already said, you have no idea how macros work either.

Lets assume that high level players are using macros, and lets assume that a macro is pressing a sequence of buttons and taking in that they are taking into account of light attacks

For the scenario I'll use PvE cause PvP is too dynamic for macro use and would likely get you killed most of the time as you can't just stand there firing off your macro you would need to use a shield or heal yourself as a macro can't do that on the fly for you, and with the amount of skill lag in PvP and ESO a macro would either *** up or just flat out not work.
So you're using your macro letting it go off, you take a bunch of damage and don't shield up or lets say you're asked to do a mechanic on the fly cause someone else can't do it, what do you do then?

See this doesn't work, there's no way players are using sequence of skills macros, the only way a player could use a macro is if they are showing off a build video cause they want it to look perfect, but even then what is the point?

The only way I can see a macro being useful in this game is a single press macro, which would obviously be a light attack weaving macro, which even then is almost pointless cause I doubt you are going to be pressing skills at the same time your macro is working.

So, macros in ESO... it's completely useless, stop making up dumb forum topics cause players are better than you, git gud

YOUR the one that doesn't know how a macro can work in PVP. Haha you seriously think after watching the 1st video , which you obviously didn't, that you can only string together certain abilitys to 1 key and then THATS IT? I mean like you have tons of keys you can bind and yet you have no idea HOW to string together a macro with a programmable mouse/ Keyboard , so you can throw in and instant cast shield or HoT?

Are you brain dead or what rofl? The first video even SHOWS you how to do it hahah omg your pathetic.

I have news for you and your lagg fest crap computer or connection you have. I lagg rarely in cryo , and main game so when i do have spikes , i know everyone else is as well and its just ZoS's crap servers. The rest of the time , it runs perfectly fine in every big battle and some.

Also just to clarify , i DID try this Logitech’s G11 Gaming Keyboard. Wanted to test out what i had seen and heard.

Well Boy , did i find out its true. My sorcerer was able to string together on ONE key in half a second , Resto staff Healing ward and Rapid Regen, AND Hardened ward . It happened so fast with 1 button push , i could just spam it because of my Magicka regen . Now on key #2 i put haunting Curse , then Destructive clench then it fires crystal frags , which by then all of that crap had made it proc as a free cast.

The damn thing even swapped from my resto staff to my destro staff in between. IT WAS FAST . AND USING 2 LOUSY KEYS only.
so , SHUT YOUR MOUTH because i now have tested its truth . Anyone else is welcome to go try it for themselfs to test it out. Just make sure you change the milliseconds of timing and add a block or a light attack in between the skills , to animation cancel. It will and DOES work . SO stfu

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Was an easy test and would be much easier to crunch the numbers and crit chances for procs on armor and weapons to just make a SICK 3 key macro really fast and have a heal or shield macro to back you up if things get rough.

Zos makes it so easy with the ability to animation cancel , and THATS what i was trying to say. Take it however you want to. Go try it yourself or don't , cause i dont give a crap either way rofl.

Nifty2g · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Apart from you not understanding global cooldowns which dymence already said, you have no idea how macros work either.

Lets assume that high level players are using macros, and lets assume that a macro is pressing a sequence of buttons and taking in that they are taking into account of light attacks

For the scenario I'll use PvE cause PvP is too dynamic for macro use and would likely get you killed most of the time as you can't just stand there firing off your macro you would need to use a shield or heal yourself as a macro can't do that on the fly for you, and with the amount of skill lag in PvP and ESO a macro would either *** up or just flat out not work.
So you're using your macro letting it go off, you take a bunch of damage and don't shield up or lets say you're asked to do a mechanic on the fly cause someone else can't do it, what do you do then?

See this doesn't work, there's no way players are using sequence of skills macros, the only way a player could use a macro is if they are showing off a build video cause they want it to look perfect, but even then what is the point?

The only way I can see a macro being useful in this game is a single press macro, which would obviously be a light attack weaving macro, which even then is almost pointless cause I doubt you are going to be pressing skills at the same time your macro is working.

So, macros in ESO... it's completely useless, stop making up dumb forum topics cause players are better than you, git gud

YOUR the one that doesn't know how a macro can work in PVP. Haha you seriously think after watching the 1st video , which you obviously didn't, that you can only string together certain abilitys to 1 key and then THATS IT? I mean like you have tons of keys you can bind and yet you have no idea HOW to string together a macro with a programmable mouse/ Keyboard , so you can throw in and instant cast shield or HoT?

Are you brain dead or what rofl? The first video even SHOWS you how to do it hahah omg your pathetic.

I have news for you and your lagg fest crap computer or connection you have. I lagg rarely in cryo , and main game so when i do have spikes , i know everyone else is as well and its just ZoS's crap servers. The rest of the time , it runs perfectly fine in every big battle and some.

Also just to clarify , i DID try this Logitech’s G11 Gaming Keyboard. Wanted to test out what i had seen and heard.

Well Boy , did i find out its true. My sorcerer was able to string together on ONE key in half a second , Resto staff Healing ward and Rapid Regen, AND Hardened ward . It happened so fast with 1 button push , i could just spam it because of my Magicka regen . Now on key #2 i put haunting Curse , then Destructive clench then it fires crystal frags , which by then all of that crap had made it proc as a free cast.

The damn thing even swapped from my resto staff to my destro staff in between. IT WAS FAST . AND USING 2 LOUSY KEYS only.
so , SHUT YOUR MOUTH because i now have tested its truth . Anyone else is welcome to go try it for themselfs to test it out. Just make sure you change the milliseconds of timing and add a block or a light attack in between the skills , to animation cancel. It will and DOES work . SO stfu

The fact you didn't understand a thing I said proves you don't understand macros at all, and I said skill lag not anything to do with my computer or in game lag, it's actually server side which is why you see stuff like "macro slice"

Here is a project for yourself so you can see for yourself, go use macros in PvP, full sequence macros, and let me know how it goes and how it gives you an advantage.

Also you can't cast 3 abilities in half a second, there is absolutely no way you can bypass the games hard global cooldowns.

Stop being stupid.

I even have a video of when Rapid Regen was broken and had no global cooldown, if you can skip global cooldowns in the game it would like this where you can just cast skills ontop of each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txYncSkFo8U

rustic_potato · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Apart from you not understanding global cooldowns which dymence already said, you have no idea how macros work either.

Lets assume that high level players are using macros, and lets assume that a macro is pressing a sequence of buttons and taking in that they are taking into account of light attacks

For the scenario I'll use PvE cause PvP is too dynamic for macro use and would likely get you killed most of the time as you can't just stand there firing off your macro you would need to use a shield or heal yourself as a macro can't do that on the fly for you, and with the amount of skill lag in PvP and ESO a macro would either *** up or just flat out not work.
So you're using your macro letting it go off, you take a bunch of damage and don't shield up or lets say you're asked to do a mechanic on the fly cause someone else can't do it, what do you do then?

See this doesn't work, there's no way players are using sequence of skills macros, the only way a player could use a macro is if they are showing off a build video cause they want it to look perfect, but even then what is the point?

The only way I can see a macro being useful in this game is a single press macro, which would obviously be a light attack weaving macro, which even then is almost pointless cause I doubt you are going to be pressing skills at the same time your macro is working.

So, macros in ESO... it's completely useless, stop making up dumb forum topics cause players are better than you, git gud

YOUR the one that doesn't know how a macro can work in PVP. Haha you seriously think after watching the 1st video , which you obviously didn't, that you can only string together certain abilitys to 1 key and then THATS IT? I mean like you have tons of keys you can bind and yet you have no idea HOW to string together a macro with a programmable mouse/ Keyboard , so you can throw in and instant cast shield or HoT?

Are you brain dead or what rofl? The first video even SHOWS you how to do it hahah omg your pathetic.

I have news for you and your lagg fest crap computer or connection you have. I lagg rarely in cryo , and main game so when i do have spikes , i know everyone else is as well and its just ZoS's crap servers. The rest of the time , it runs perfectly fine in every big battle and some.

Also just to clarify , i DID try this Logitech’s G11 Gaming Keyboard. Wanted to test out what i had seen and heard.

Well Boy , did i find out its true. My sorcerer was able to string together on ONE key in half a second , Resto staff Healing ward and Rapid Regen, AND Hardened ward . It happened so fast with 1 button push , i could just spam it because of my Magicka regen . Now on key #2 i put haunting Curse , then Destructive clench then it fires crystal frags , which by then all of that crap had made it proc as a free cast.

The damn thing even swapped from my resto staff to my destro staff in between. IT WAS FAST . AND USING 2 LOUSY KEYS only.
so , SHUT YOUR MOUTH because i now have tested its truth . Anyone else is welcome to go try it for themselfs to test it out. Just make sure you change the milliseconds of timing and add a block or a light attack in between the skills , to animation cancel. It will and DOES work . SO stfu

Well you are kinda correct. The global cooldown still exists and even if you cast 3 or 4 spells with a single keystroke they wont fire till the GC for each spell is down. Of course you can time your macro to match with it. At that point why even bother? It is equivalent of someone using their spell fast.

Nifty2g · January 2018

rustic_potato wrote: »

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Just take animation canceling OUT of the game and solve almost every overpowered problem. Make it so if you cancel an animation then you cancel the spell or ability it was tied to . If you want to cast something or use an ability , you better make damn sure that's what you want to do.

No more instant 5 different ability's from the same A-hole in less then a second while using a macro . YES they have macros and tie them to macroing keyboards and macro mice. Don't even say its not possible because that's BS.

If anyone says they haven't witnessed this then they are new players or just lying their ass off. It happens a lot and plenty of videos and statistic pics to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZa4c-WZoE&t=108s

Yeah weaving my ASS rofl load of ***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlblie7FkEQ

Worse then macros and still exists lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyc8WtLPUw

Macro PLUS Animation Canceling is a big bunch of the problem. FIX your GAME Zos . Check this jackass out that thinks he's accomplished something from cheating. YES MACROS ARE CHEATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

Apart from you not understanding global cooldowns which dymence already said, you have no idea how macros work either.

Lets assume that high level players are using macros, and lets assume that a macro is pressing a sequence of buttons and taking in that they are taking into account of light attacks

For the scenario I'll use PvE cause PvP is too dynamic for macro use and would likely get you killed most of the time as you can't just stand there firing off your macro you would need to use a shield or heal yourself as a macro can't do that on the fly for you, and with the amount of skill lag in PvP and ESO a macro would either *** up or just flat out not work.
So you're using your macro letting it go off, you take a bunch of damage and don't shield up or lets say you're asked to do a mechanic on the fly cause someone else can't do it, what do you do then?

See this doesn't work, there's no way players are using sequence of skills macros, the only way a player could use a macro is if they are showing off a build video cause they want it to look perfect, but even then what is the point?

The only way I can see a macro being useful in this game is a single press macro, which would obviously be a light attack weaving macro, which even then is almost pointless cause I doubt you are going to be pressing skills at the same time your macro is working.

So, macros in ESO... it's completely useless, stop making up dumb forum topics cause players are better than you, git gud

YOUR the one that doesn't know how a macro can work in PVP. Haha you seriously think after watching the 1st video , which you obviously didn't, that you can only string together certain abilitys to 1 key and then THATS IT? I mean like you have tons of keys you can bind and yet you have no idea HOW to string together a macro with a programmable mouse/ Keyboard , so you can throw in and instant cast shield or HoT?

Are you brain dead or what rofl? The first video even SHOWS you how to do it hahah omg your pathetic.

I have news for you and your lagg fest crap computer or connection you have. I lagg rarely in cryo , and main game so when i do have spikes , i know everyone else is as well and its just ZoS's crap servers. The rest of the time , it runs perfectly fine in every big battle and some.

Also just to clarify , i DID try this Logitech’s G11 Gaming Keyboard. Wanted to test out what i had seen and heard.

Well Boy , did i find out its true. My sorcerer was able to string together on ONE key in half a second , Resto staff Healing ward and Rapid Regen, AND Hardened ward . It happened so fast with 1 button push , i could just spam it because of my Magicka regen . Now on key #2 i put haunting Curse , then Destructive clench then it fires crystal frags , which by then all of that crap had made it proc as a free cast.

The damn thing even swapped from my resto staff to my destro staff in between. IT WAS FAST . AND USING 2 LOUSY KEYS only.
so , SHUT YOUR MOUTH because i now have tested its truth . Anyone else is welcome to go try it for themselfs to test it out. Just make sure you change the milliseconds of timing and add a block or a light attack in between the skills , to animation cancel. It will and DOES work . SO stfu

Well you are kinda correct. The global cooldown still exists and even if you cast 3 or 4 spells with a single keystroke they wont fire till the GC for each spell is down. Of course you can time your macro to match with it. At that point why even bother? It is equivalent of someone using their spell fast.

Just going to quote this cause at least someone else understands

That's what I mentioned above, skill lag exists and so does global cooldowns, meaning your macro wont work correctly half the time in PvP or the game for that matter if you are trying to use complex strings

Which is why I said single ability macros like light attacks would be the only useful thing

disintegr8 · January 2018

I want to know why the dude didn't die in the third video.

And if all of this is caused by the servers inability to handle the input load, why are some of us always at the receiving end of these 'bursts' instead of being the 'deliverer'?

Surely the attacker is doing something to cause the 'burst' that I don't know about. whether it is animation cancelling or whistling dixie out of your butt cheeks, you are taking advantage of a situation to gain the upper hand.

SirAndy · January 2018

Dymence wrote: »

Do more research, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Don't go try it then haha , your the stupid idiot that came to MY post with your *** theory's .

3 ability's was EASY and completely doable. The shields casted just fine and until i changed the milliseconds of delay between the spells AND the Block , then sometimes it would fire like 2 shileds and then 2 heals also rofl . Its scary.

But then again I'm sure now , your only here because you are one of the *** that use these on a regular basis and soon as you see a post like this one , you run right to it to dispute it all to hell. Because without that animation canceling and macros , YOU and quite a few others would be crying like *** when your game goes to crap.

If by chance you say you DON'T use macros , then you cannot say on here for sure it doesn't work on that keyboard like i just stated. I win either way simply because I TRIED IT MYSELF YOU FOOL. and it does work . You on the other hand are either a macro user OR your claiming , your like a virgin and have never used one in ESO, right?" rofl

rustic_potato · January 2018

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't go try it then haha , your the stupid idiot that came to MY post with your *** theory's .

3 ability's was EASY and completely doable. The shields casted just fine and until i changed the milliseconds of delay between the spells AND the Block , then sometimes it would fire like 2 shileds and then 2 heals also rofl . Its scary.

But then again I'm sure now , your only here because you are one of the *** that use these on a regular basis and soon as you see a post like this one , you run right to it to dispute it all to hell. Because without that animation canceling and macros , YOU and quite a few others would be crying like *** when your game goes to crap.

If by chance you say you DON'T use macros , then you cannot say on here for sure it doesn't work on that keyboard like i just stated. I win either way simply because I TRIED IT MYSELF YOU FOOL. and it does work . You on the other hand are either a macro user OR your claiming , your like a virgin and have never used one in ESO, right?" rofl

Liofa · January 2018

lmao this thread is the funniest of all ''remove animation cancelling'' threads

necronyteub17_ESO · January 2018

Yeah and now i'm out because i gotta go give my neighbor back his Keyboard haha. He's been messaging me since i borrowed it and wants it back.

GO TRY IT , cause its kinda wild. Guess it works better or worse with other types of mice / keyboards but this is what i had access to haha.

Better games coming out soon anyhow ( shrug ) cya

Thogard · January 2018

I really wish people would stop making “nerf” threads about things that they haven’t done even the most basic amount of research on.

Gothren · January 2018

umm how about no. combat is a lot more fun since animation canceling. zos likes it and a good majority of players still like it. I don't want to go back to the crappy combat when the game was released. again always the pvpers complaining. enjoy your lagodill pvp though.

Kessra · January 2018

I do understand both sides of the fence. Animation canceling and weaving adds a skilled based component to the game which make the combat much more interesting and fun to play. On the other side, using macros can allow you to quickly increase your damage by a (way to) large margin. Think of someone who litterally has problems to weave light attacks between his abilities. In case of a NB i.e. this is an essential part of the rotation and messing up your light attacks can yield significant damage losses, as certain procs or buffs depend on propper LA weaving. Sure, this might be something of the past if the 3.3.2 changes go life as they are, but I'm more talking about the general case.

It shouldn't be too difficult to setup some MMO mice or keyboards to perform weaving attacks on button or key-press and thus take out an essential part of the skill-component and thus allow the player to focus on the abilities in his rotation (if this is not already fully covered by the marco) or reduce the stress-level in certain situations. Maybe also peer-preasure might be a reason some players use macros as they want to be competitive more quickly, are just lazy or just have not enough time to learn weaving/animation canceling/rotations on each of their toons.

Experienced players (especially in PvP) might expect certain abilities to be used in certain situations (in case of almost perfectly canceled animations) and thus avoid big damage spikes preemptively, not all abilities can be avoided with forboding though. Especially hard hitting abilities should have prominent visual clues that shouldn't be easily canceble to give the opponent a chance to react to or even counter them.

Of course, lag spikes are also a thing on its own. Just today in PvE (vAS), Olms killed me with a single visual hit that effectively resulted in two hits simultaneously. Before the hit I was almost at full health when one single (visual) swing hit me with 18.315 + 19.262. I wasn't sure if others witnessed the same, hence I asked the healers and other members what they might have seen. And everyone noted that this was a single hit, though two hits in the death recap. This was an instance with just 12 players in it and some server-managed bots and this lag-spike occurred. In PvP this might even be more of an issue I guess. I usually only witness that in PvP if too many players are in the same area that some (usually the others) players seem to be able to keep doing their abilities when others (usually the group I'm in) are stuck in the lag and not being able to fire off even a single ability. I haven't witnessed a queue that fills up and gets played back once the lag reduces though, but I'm not that keen on PvPing either.

In the sense of risk vs. reward animation canceling could be changed to bind the damage towards the end of the respective ability which still allows the order of the priority system we currently have by prioritizing block/dodge over abilities over L/HA just with the difference that if you block an ongoing animation no ability is performed as you decided to cancel it with the block. Only if the full animation was performed the actual damage would go off. A player here has to decide wether to still fire off an ability or block in order to avoid/reduce damage. They might also introduce an (almost) linear equation that decides how much damage you do with your ability based on the percent of the animation that was executed before it was blocked. I.e. if you performed 50% of the animation, your ability deals roughly 50% of its damage. This for sure would take out some speed of the current combat system though also give new players a chance to actually take part in the game.

Linaleah · January 2018

Gothren wrote: »

umm how about no. combat is a lot more fun since animation canceling. zos likes it and a good majority of players still like it. I don't want to go back to the crappy combat when the game was released. again always the pvpers complaining. enjoy your lagodill pvp though.

ZoS gave up on trying to fix it and now they are acting like a cat that fell off the table and now is behaving like it meant to fall of the table. majority of the players are incapable of using animation canceling which is why their dps is such magnitudes lower than that of those that can. there is a reason why so few people are able to get through DLC dungeons on veteran. and now its not just mechanics. and don't try to "stop spamming light attack" at me either. you can go through a full rotation and still struggle to hit 15k SOLELY because of inability to animation cancel. and btw? ZoS knows that too. this is why overworld content is so much more forgiving. because MAJORITY of people cannot pull off the numbers possible with animation canceling and MAJORITY of people solo anyways, so they tailor the world to MAJORITY.

in any case, it is highly unlikely they can fix it. sadly. so we are stuck with this mess

Sixty5 · January 2018

Most of what you are seeing is intended mechanics, along with server lag.

Take the Macroslice clip for instance.
He hits with a crit rush, but latency happens and he is stuck in the pre-hit state, though retains full control of his character.
During this time you can see him cast Dizzying Swing 3-4 times via the cast bar, the server however, is behind, and eats these imputs.
The server then catches up, and realises, hey, this dude got hit with a Crit rush and 4 Dizzying Swings, and then instagibs him.

Animation cancelling as it is gives you an expression of skill that the game would otherwise lack, and keeps combat feeling fast.
There are builds out there that can clear all PVE content without needing to have a super fast rotations, but if you can do them you are going to pull higher DPS.

Regardless of what you think, everything is limited by the global cooldown, so it is physically impossible to cast multiple abilities in the same second, any time you see that sort of thing happening it is either a person using a third party program to mess with the game like cheat engine, or more likely, lag.

SirAndy · January 2018

Aedaryl wrote: »

They just can't do it

Easy fix that even ZOS could do in a weekend, simply make the global cooldown unique to each skill and have it match the length of the animation for the skill.
Voila, no more animation canceling and best of all, no need to redo any of the animations!

Of course, that would also give half the player population a heart attack on release day ...

Izaki · January 2018

Wow. You really have no idea of what you're talking about do you?

You clearly know NOTHING about the way this game's combat system works.

rustic_potato · January 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

They just can't do it

Easy fix that even ZOS could do in a weekend, simply make the global cooldown unique to each skill and have it match the length of the animation for the skill.
Voila, no more animation canceling and best of all, no need to redo any of the animations!

Of course, that would also give half the player population a heart attack on release day ...