Should account wide Level Up Advisor rewards be awarded retroactively?

iiYuki · January 2018

Yes

I admit I am envious and annoyed that I and many others have supported this game for many years now and have already maximised our character slots (some even buying expansion slots to continue doing so) and that new players will get free crown crates, mounts, costumes, crafting materials just purely and simply because they're new.
Why they cannot at least retroactively give crown crates per character that meets the milestone, every 10 levels, or even 1 per level 50 character is better than nothing.
Peoples only answer they seem to give is "buy a character expansion"... I already have them all, now i'm going to have to delete a perfectly good character and re level them just to get some free crown crates so I dont get shafted more by the shafting specialist, ZO$.

Kolache · January 2018

Yes

I'm not going to lose sleep over it but this would have been part of my implementation plan.

Sigtric · January 2018

No

I don't see any reason it should be retroactively applied, and nothing is included that's going to make much of a difference at all to vet players. It's all fluff outside of the horse as getting a horse as a new player can take a little time until they figure out how to get gold.

Mic1007 · January 2018

Yes

Seeing as 1500 Crowns is what you get for subscribing, it really isn’t that bad. They could have charged more than the monthly for them just to force people to spend extra on Crowns.

Universe · January 2018

Yes

I have 10 level 50 characters.
Why should I miss out all those rewards because I played since Early access ?
It is not fair.
Some people have multiple accounts with dozens of level 50 characters, those players will miss out many rewards if there will be no retroactive rewards.

ZoS should send the rewards to players who already have level 50 characters, either by mail or implementing the items in some other way.

Radiance · January 2018

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

I think the greed is primarily on the part of those players who don't like the idea of someone else getting something they haven't got.

It's obscene is what it is...
We've already Lvl'd multiple characters without This Advisor, why shouldn't we get the same rewards for already having done so? LOL What is Greedy about that!?! This is some reverse psychology BS LOL, "I know you are but what am I!?!"

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Yes

Mic1007 wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

I think once per account, not per toon. I dont think it would be healthy for the market if each person to received an award per charecter

What market? The mats market? Green and Blue mats are already cheap, as are runes that are not Kuta or Hakeijo. The total gold is less than what I make doing my daily Pledges and selling the loot. None of the awards will have any significant effect on the market.

He probably meant the irl currency market meaning you can keep getting the real $ crates

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Yes

Sigtric wrote: »

I don't see any reason it should be retroactively applied, and nothing is included that's going to make much of a difference at all to vet players. It's all fluff outside of the horse as getting a horse as a new player can take a little time until they figure out how to get gold.

Your forgetting about the rng real $ crates

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Yes

Radiance wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I think the greed is primarily on the part of those players who don't like the idea of someone else getting something they haven't got.

It's obscene is what it is...
We've already Lvl'd multiple characters without This Advisor, why shouldn't we get the same rewards for already having done so? LOL What is Greedy about that!?! This is some reverse psychology BS LOL, "I know you are but what am I!?!"

Agreed, the more loyal of players seem to always get screwed mostly in almost any current mmo

Elsonso · January 2018

No

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Radiance wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I think the greed is primarily on the part of those players who don't like the idea of someone else getting something they haven't got.

It's obscene is what it is...
We've already Lvl'd multiple characters without This Advisor, why shouldn't we get the same rewards for already having done so? LOL What is Greedy about that!?! This is some reverse psychology BS LOL, "I know you are but what am I!?!"

Agreed, the more loyal of players seem to always get screwed mostly in almost any current mmo

Loyal. Players. These two words, do they go together?

iNSiPiD1 · January 2018

Yes

There really isn't anything to discuss here.

Other (competing) companies have introduced similar changes to their games and HAVE retroactively rewarded their players.

By ESO NOT awarding them retroactively they are essentially not keeping up with the competition, and making themselves look cheap. That's not a good look.

RaddlemanNumber7 · January 2018

Other

Can you imagine if a government did this in real life...

Children will each receive a new bicycle when they reach the age of ten, but children who are already 10 years old or older won't get one. People will get a free loot bag, which may include the keys to a customised motorcycle, when they reach the ages of 20, 30 and 50, but people who have already reached those ages won't. People who are already 50 years old or older will get absolutely nothing.

There would be tears. There would be riots.

But this isn't real life. It's ESO. So, it's ZOS's call, and I happy with that. If these rewards were made retrospectively I think it would be a nightmare for ZOS to work exactly what each player is due to get. Avoiding that cost has got to be a good thing, surely. There are much better things for them to be doing with their time and revenue.

I know I'll eventually level some more new characters from 1 to 50. The free stuff isn't going to disappear in the meantime. I'm prepared to wait.

Radiance · January 2018

Yes

I'd venture to guess the majority who voted "No" are either Extremely New or Alt-Oholics...

Ydrisselle · January 2018

iiYuki wrote: »

I admit I am envious and annoyed that I and many others have supported this game for many years now and have already maximised our character slots (some even buying expansion slots to continue doing so) and that new players will get free crown crates, mounts, costumes, crafting materials just purely and simply because they're new.
Why they cannot at least retroactively give crown crates per character that meets the milestone, every 10 levels, or even 1 per level 50 character is better than nothing.
Peoples only answer they seem to give is "buy a character expansion"... I already have them all, now i'm going to have to delete a perfectly good character and re level them just to get some free crown crates so I dont get shafted more by the shafting specialist, ZO$.

Since there will be a new slot in the Crown Store you don't have to delete any character.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Yes

lordrichter wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Radiance wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I think the greed is primarily on the part of those players who don't like the idea of someone else getting something they haven't got.

It's obscene is what it is...
We've already Lvl'd multiple characters without This Advisor, why shouldn't we get the same rewards for already having done so? LOL What is Greedy about that!?! This is some reverse psychology BS LOL, "I know you are but what am I!?!"

Agreed, the more loyal of players seem to always get screwed mostly in almost any current mmo

Loyal. Players. These two words, do they go together?

Yes if your a paying customer your considered a loyal player

TequilaFire · January 2018

No

Radiance wrote: »

I'd venture to guess the majority who voted "No" are either Extremely New or Alt-Oholics...

And you would be wrong, some of us don't care to get what we already have been given.

SSlarg · January 2018

Yes

YES! and in case someone missed it,

YES!!!!!

Sigtric · January 2018

No

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I don't see any reason it should be retroactively applied, and nothing is included that's going to make much of a difference at all to vet players. It's all fluff outside of the horse as getting a horse as a new player can take a little time until they figure out how to get gold.

Your forgetting about the rng real $ crates

Which still contain only fluff.

This is purely people wetting themselves over the fact someone is getting something they are not.

Taleof2Cities · January 2018

No

It’s not that hard these days to level a new character to 50 ... you can do it in a day.

The target audience is new players for the leveling rewards (not seasoned players).

lordrichter wrote: »

Slots are expensive. Is it really worth it to spend that much on a slot when a character can be deleted and recreated for free?

Sure, that’s fine for players who haven’t made a time investment in an alt character. Most players have some sort of time investment, however.

iNSiPiD1 · January 2018

Yes

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

Can you imagine if a government did this in real life...

Children will each receive a new bicycle when they reach the age of ten, but children who are already 10 years old or older won't get one. People will get a free loot bag, which may include the keys to a customised motorcycle, when they reach the ages of 20, 30 and 50, but people who have already reached those ages won't. People who are already 50 years old or older will get absolutely nothing.

There would be tears. There would be riots.

But this isn't real life. It's ESO. So, it's ZOS's call, and I happy with that. If these rewards were made retrospectively I think it would be a nightmare for ZOS to work exactly what each player is due to get. Avoiding that cost has got to be a good thing, surely. There are much better things for them to be doing with their time and revenue.

I know I'll eventually level some more new characters from 1 to 50. The free stuff isn't going to disappear in the meantime. I'm prepared to wait.

Thank the heavens this is a game and not real life. As I mentioned above, other gaming (competing) companies have already set a precedent for retroactively giving rewards, and ESO failing to do so puts them BEHIND the norm. It's NOT a good thing for them to look this cheap, and not be willing to execute the (simple) script needed to do this.

kamimark · January 2018

No

So at the risk of injecting facts into the forum, what are these items?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0
Level 5: Two Green-quality Rings, part of a basic 2-piece Item Set that grants a Max Health bonus
Level 10: Sorrel Horse
Level 15: A choice of 6 blue-quality weapons
Level 20: A costume of choice and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
Level 25: A choice of 6 purple-quality weapons
Level 30: 4,000 gold and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
Level 35: A choice of 10 purple-quality crafting-improvement materials
Level 40: 6,000 gold, The Soul Shriven motif, and an Outfit Token
Level 45: An Undaunted Key
Level 50: 10,000 gold and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
…
You can also earn a storage coffer from the Level Up Advisor (detailed below) upon reaching level 18, if you have not already purchased it.

20K gold is nice; I made >500K last week, but that was high even for me, 20K is worth picking up. A horse every oldbie already has. A costume, nice. 3 crates, nice. Some semi-trashy items for levelling. 10 purple mats, worth maybe 4K gold. A key. The crates are worth 1500 cr, but there's bonus crates enough times now that it's not *incredible*, and everyone already complains about how useless crates are (I like gacha, but some people don't like fun). The coffer's value depends on how much they cost, might not be a big deal to just get it if you're level 50.

I don't see anything game-breaking there. If you don't have a level 3 mule to level up (I can play my recipe mule for a couple weeks for free stuff), or any empty slots, you have to pay for a slot, but then you have another character slot, it's not just wasted.

The point of incentives like this is to get new players or keep people playing, staying in the MAU. Giving it away just because someone wants it doesn't do that.

The horse is sort of a remedy to pay-to-win. Used to be, you either bought Imperial edition with the 1 gold white horse, or another DLC starter pack with a mount, or had to save up for the 10K horse before you could even start levelling horse skills. By level 10, someone ought to have 10K, but spending that might be hard; just giving newbies the horse evens the field a bit.

Tandor · January 2018

No

iiYuki wrote: »

I admit I am envious and annoyed that I and many others have supported this game for many years now and have already maximised our character slots (some even buying expansion slots to continue doing so) and that new players will get free crown crates, mounts, costumes, crafting materials just purely and simply because they're new.
Why they cannot at least retroactively give crown crates per character that meets the milestone, every 10 levels, or even 1 per level 50 character is better than nothing.
Peoples only answer they seem to give is "buy a character expansion"... I already have them all, now i'm going to have to delete a perfectly good character and re level them just to get some free crown crates so I dont get shafted more by the shafting specialist, ZO$.

There will be another character slot available to purchase (I do think that it could have been free as a gesture to those missing out on this new setup) with the update so you won't have to delete a character if you don't want to.

JD2013 · January 2018

No

Tandor wrote: »

I think the greed is primarily on the part of those players who don't like the idea of someone else getting something they haven't got.

^

I would have levelled my characters anyhow.

I have much better stuff in my bank than what they’ll get.

This is a nice incentive both for new players and those who want to create alts who might not have done so.

There’s no great new stuff there. It’s simply a matter of “well he’s getting one why can’t I??”

Orticia · January 2018

No

But I think everyone should get one extra character slot for free (not that I will ever need it). One slot covers it all as you only get the rewards once per account anyway. And getting them will be the same for everyone... aka level up a character.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2018

If they retroactively give players these rewards than I demand that ZOS give new players every crown crate from every Crown Crate Event retroactively. I also demand that I retroactively be given the Tiger Senche as Ive been subbed to ESO for far longer than a year on PS4. Its unfair that players that played the first year was given something that no one else was able to earn. Thats unfair.

iNSiPiD1 · January 2018

Yes

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If they retroactively give players these rewards than I demand that ZOS give new players every crown crate from every Crown Crate Event retroactively. I also demand that I retroactively be given the Tiger Senche as Ive been subbed to ESO for far longer than a year on PS4. Its unfair that players that played the first year was given something that no one else was able to earn. Thats unfair.

This is different. How can you not see that the arguments you made there are NOT THE SAME?!?!

Ydrisselle · January 2018

kamimark wrote: »

So at the risk of injecting facts into the forum, what are these items?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0
Level 5: Two Green-quality Rings, part of a basic 2-piece Item Set that grants a Max Health bonus
Level 10: Sorrel Horse
Level 15: A choice of 6 blue-quality weapons
Level 20: A costume of choice and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
Level 25: A choice of 6 purple-quality weapons
Level 30: 4,000 gold and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
Level 35: A choice of 10 purple-quality crafting-improvement materials
Level 40: 6,000 gold, The Soul Shriven motif, and an Outfit Token
Level 45: An Undaunted Key
Level 50: 10,000 gold and a Fire Atronach Crown Crate
…
You can also earn a storage coffer from the Level Up Advisor (detailed below) upon reaching level 18, if you have not already purchased it.

20K gold is nice; I made >500K last week, but that was high even for me, 20K is worth picking up. A horse every oldbie already has. A costume, nice. 3 crates, nice. Some semi-trashy items for levelling. 10 purple mats, worth maybe 4K gold. A key. The crates are worth 1500 cr, but there's bonus crates enough times now that it's not *incredible*, and everyone already complains about how useless crates are (I like gacha, but some people don't like fun). The coffer's value depends on how much they cost, might not be a big deal to just get it if you're level 50.

I don't see anything game-breaking there. If you don't have a level 3 mule to level up (I can play my recipe mule for a couple weeks for free stuff), or any empty slots, you have to pay for a slot, but then you have another character slot, it's not just wasted.

The point of incentives like this is to get new players or keep people playing, staying in the MAU. Giving it away just because someone wants it doesn't do that.

The horse is sort of a remedy to pay-to-win. Used to be, you either bought Imperial edition with the 1 gold white horse, or another DLC starter pack with a mount, or had to save up for the 10K horse before you could even start levelling horse skills. By level 10, someone ought to have 10K, but spending that might be hard; just giving newbies the horse evens the field a bit.

Don't forget that this is not the full list. There are rewards for every level from lvl3.

Mgghool · January 2018

No

No thank you I really don’t need it. I have cp over the current cap and multiple fully leveled chars and I don’t see any benefit nor reason in getting rewards for leveling witch is long gone.

SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

Other

I do feel for those with max character slots, and a couple of the rewards are something we all want, 1) free storage locker 2) costume change token 3) the crown crate. If those or something along those lines were given as a longevity reward, say having been on-line for X amount of time or some other reasonable measure of loyalty then I think all would be ok.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Yes

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

I do feel for those with max character slots, and a couple of the rewards are something we all want, 1) free storage locker 2) costume change token 3) the crown crate. If those or something along those lines were given as a longevity reward, say having been on-line for X amount of time or some other reasonable measure of loyalty then I think all would be ok.

That won't work for casuals, that is what Korean MMO's do I don't think we need another BDOESO 2.0