Stop bumping old threads

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 2018

Unfortunately not new news, but disappointing nevertheless.

Teridaxus wrote: »

Well this a bit different than the first two motifs.

Akavarii are a huge part of the lore even if we didn't saw any of their inhabitants and their home. This is a huge middle finger to us crafters and this time it also includes people who enjoy the lore of ES.

Agree with this; Stalhrim was bad enough.

DoctorESO wrote: »

I'm going to buy the motif just for the name, which I can't pronounce.

@aliyavana It's pronounced "Sayessie" although last I recall, @ZOS_Lawrence_Schick will disagree on that point.

Vaoh · January 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

God forbid that a company try to make money to fund development and pay their employees by putting something that gives no combat effect into a cash shop for real world money. Grow up.

God forbid a person wants the whole game when they buy a game.

No wonder games suck now with such blind slaves defending such practices

^^^^

ArchMikem · January 2018

JarlUlfric wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

JarlUlfric wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'd rather see an actual Tsaesci than a Tamriel designed interpretation of Tsaesci armor.

It's not "tamriel designed interpretation."

Here is the full text of the motif.

By Kiasa-Veda, the Chronicler of Blades, Dir-Tonenaka

What does ""Akaviri"" mean? For many generations after the coming of my ancestors to Tamriel in the late First Era, Akaviri meant the people and heritage of the Tsaesci, the most refined and sophisticated civilization on the remote eastern continent of Akavir. As every schoolchild knows, at the beginning of the twenty-eighth century of the First Era, the Tsaesci sent a large and well-armed Fortified Embassage to Tamriel for reasons of mythic import that are not for discussion in a venue such as this. This Tsaesci force met General Reman of Cyrodiil first as an antagonist, and then as an ally. Thereafter General Reman became Emperor Reman I, and the Second Empire was born.

My ancestors were among that Tsaesci force, and indeed, many Imperials could now claim some measure of Akaviri descent, and might well do so—were the name ""Akaviri"" not tarnished by the recent invasion of the Kamali barbarians, so ill-advised, so abominably led, so resoundingly defeated. But we will speak no more of them.

We will speak, instead, of what may be spoken of the Tsaesci. Much may not be shared outside the true bloodlines, but this was never true of our artisanship, of the Serpentine Ways of Making. These my ancestors freely shared with the People of Reman, and though over time the old styles have become diluted and debased, still pristine examples of the Serpentine Ways can be seen in the Tonenaka at Rimmen, where I am honored to labor as Chronicler.

See our traditional armor, painstakingly crafted of many small rigid plates laced or wired together to form a flexible blade-proof fabric. Note how the most vulnerable areas are protected by several overlapping layers, all hinged to move as the body moves.

Notice our masked helms, each a fierce scowling visage crowned with horns or flaring crests to create an imposing and intimidating silhouette, as of an unstoppable demon warrior.

Admire our katanas in three lengths, dagger, sword, and two-handed sword, narrow blades with a slight curve away from their single edge, superbly designed for quick cutting, though with a point for when a thrust is needed.

Wonder at the beauty of our shields, which, though we rarely use them in combat, are still made and decorated to the most exacting standards passed down from one generation of artisans to the next.

And fear our snake-headed bows, striped red-and-tan to represent the duality of life-and-death and how close to each other the two always are and must be. Even the fletching of our arrows is meticulous.

Would you follow the Serpentine Ways of Making? Then here, armorer, are your models.

It's their actual armor.

I'm inclined to believe the Tsaesci are actually a Serpent people as the legends portray them, (cause they'd be amazingly alien that way, similar to Lamia), but that lore makes it sound like they're just moar Hoomans with an obsession with snakes, which is boring. It made me believe that armor such as the Akaviri Style were just Tamrielic interpretations of what the original Tsaesci expedition force wore, designed after the Tsaesci, built for Man. That's why I used the word Interpretation since it'd be a style for a completely different Race.

You do know you see ghosts of them in TES IV: Oblivion right? And they're humanoid in appearance. The concept of them being literal snake people is just Imperial Propaganda meant to make you hate them.

What, you mean this guy?

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Just looks like a reused model of one of the Blades.

Acrolas · January 2018

Michael Kirkbride also used Tsay-eh-see in Fireside Chat 1 - Reman and the Shonni-etta but the transcript doesn't really help with syllable emphasis.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

God forbid that a company try to make money to fund development and pay their employees by putting something that gives no combat effect into a cash shop for real world money. Grow up.

God forbid a person wants the whole game when they buy a game.

No wonder games suck now with such blind slaves defending such practices

What you’re describing is not an MMORPG, which evolves over time and requires a variety of revenue streams for development and maintenance. In fact, this works out better for those diehards who only have the base game, as they can still get their motif without investing in a DLC or Chapter.

its what we had a subscription for? I don't see WoW making constant dlcs and stuff like that but a 1 year expansion...then again we cant compare ZOS with Blizzard who is the head of the market but the main issue why we have what he have now is cuz ZOS or BETH or idk who ever owns them wanted this game on consoles and that would had mean for console players to pay 2 types of sub and the fact that a lot of people dropped the game due to numerous bugs and performance issues that most are still a thing...after almost 4 damn years...I am a gamer...and I feel insulted with the garbage the gaming industry had become(if I could I would delete SW:BF1/2 from my brain)...if it were up to me...id put a death warrant on the head of those who had the bright idea to implement lottery and gamble in the gaming industry(no hard feelings but I just hate to gamble)...im so sick of loot boxes/crates/whatever you want to call it...our games become some recycled garabage packages with big advertising and small content and development...so far all im seeing are games that are in beta sold as end products and then keep leeching money for long periods of time monetizing development of the current beta everyone is playing...if ur lucky it will pay off and ur will get ur moneys worth...assuming u live enough to see it...or it dies as it happens in most cases...I hope the gaming community will step up at some point(im talking about the gamers not the complaining casuals that are ok with everything they are told) and say a clear " F*** YOU WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS BS!. "

ArchMikem · January 2018

@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO dude, edit that post before the admins jump down your throat. Especially the death part.

Iluvrien · January 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

God forbid that a company try to make money to fund development and pay their employees by putting something that gives no combat effect into a cash shop for real world money. Grow up.

They are making money. They are releasing a DLC that will either require a sub or a purchase to make use of. Both of which generate money.

False dilemma.

This isn't about ZOS not making any cash, this is about them monetizing a crafting item. There is a continuum that stretches between the points defined by ZOS in penury and ZOS attaching a crown value to every last playing experience.

There's another demographic, apart from you, that tends to see things in such absolute terms. Maybe you should take your own condescending advice.

Technically, they’re monetizing an appearance item (motifs are now universally unlocked for cosmetic purposes), which they’ve done for a while now.

I’m fine with this.

Technically they aren't.

A purely cosmetic item would be able to apply an effect only to you. Polymorphs fit this category. A motif allows you to apply that effect to items that can be given to other people, or traded, etc.

As such, a motif is a crafting item and is not purely cosmetic.

I have never been ok with motifs in the crown store.

Because traded, craftable gear is so prevalent and desirable in the game outside of Julianos and Hundings? C’mon, you’re reaching. People only wear crafted when they don’t have their dropped sets, and it’s straight in the bin when they do. The style is irrelevant. I have a max crafter with every motif except one from Morrowind and I have no illusions about the “profitability” of crafting as a profession—outside of decon and increasing my rate of drops from writs.

Given the new cosmetic system, especially the way it’s been implemented, motifs are clearly being retooled into a cosmetic purchase.

How they are used is different to what they are. You brought "technically" to the discussion in answer to my comment about them being a crafting item. It isn't a reach, it is a reflection of the functional reality.

Were you here at the beginning, before Tamriel Unlimited? Your April 2015 join date suggests not but I don't like to assume
these things.

The reason I ask is because your first paragraph doesn't reflect a knowledge that initially crafting was a very profitable profession. I don't mean in terms of charging stupid prices for single pieces, but in terms of the sheer number of orders you could get in a day. In those cases motif was very important indeed. Two examples:

1) Someone traded a rare motif (Ancient Elf), that was expensive at the point in time, just to have me create an armour set using it for them.
2) More than one person asked for multiple armour sets, where the differential factor was only the motif.

Motifs had a value back when crafting had a value. Since ZOS has been systematically devaluing crafting of course it will have an effect on the usage of motifs. ZOS was, mostly, just responding to the complaints of the competitive content players who needed their Skinner box. The outfit system continues this trend towards making crafting obsolete.

Do I want ZOS to continue to screw over crafters? No. Hence me opposing this move.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

@ArchMikem that's my opinion on how I see things...im sorry for not being sorry? besides im speaking about the entire gaming industry not zos specifically...and if you understand what I wrote then you wouldn't had said what you did in the 1st place...also I guess everyone should be glad its not up to me...but then again nothing will change ever...things will just go down t his road and EA proved it that it can be done and nothing will happen at all...people will buy what they are getting sold and cuz of the low expectations then everything will keep going down...and that's a fact.

monktoasty · January 2018

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

You are incorrect. Summerset costs money..the little expansions cost money...the crown store is just greed and ruining games and brainwashing players like you into thinking it's needed.

Pretty funny when they charge 40 for a chapter and 40 for a rate motif..so a motif is the same price as a whole expansion?

If this was a free to play game I can see the need..but it's not.

Wake up

@monktoasty

... Thanks for agreeing with me?

Summerset costs money, yes. It's Continued development that acts as part of the continued revenue. Par for the course. DLC costing additional money? Continued development with continued revenue. Par for the course. Motifs being Crown Store exclusive, costing additional money? Par for the course.

The question is as both you and I describe: is a motif worth an entire DLC? Is that good practice?

IMO a single motif being priced as high as a DLC isn't good practice. The amount of gameplay attained and the number of Man Hours put into each is far too vast of a difference to even be near the same price.

I honestly lost the thread I no longer know who I'm disagreeing with right now lol

I'm saying the chapters costs us money. That's their income.

Just cause people want to pay them more then they are giving you that's their problem..well actually..it's all of our problems because now we can't just buy games we have to buy games and then buy all the items we like. Thanks for destroying games for us.

Brainwashed! I HATE this generation

Osteos · January 2018

This thread is rather interesting coinciding with the Summerset expansion thread. It seems far to many people are willing to pay extra just because its Summerset. An expansion should include more than a zone.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

@Osteos you have it wrong...sure I agree with the fact people are willing to pay extra but ZOS made it clear ESO will not get expansions since expansion is the definition of a completely new endgame only content while in ESO you can do EVERYTHING at any level that is not the case...sure I would like to see a 1 time per year type of releases with shaped off products and a minimum of bugs,flaws and glitches...but this is how it is...besides you are not required to buy the chapter and still have access to most of the stuff it comes out with...like crafted sets and drops...I mean u can always buy them via traders

but oh well...the way I see it no chapter or dlc will bring something so badass that will change meta except basic stuff that will be accessible to everyone...otherwise im pretty sure ZOS will cross over the B2P/P2W wall they have set themselves...so the way I see it the new chapters for me at least only bring a new raid(to punish myself and my guild mates with it until we complete all achivs) some interesting/awesome stories and quests...some dailies to get new motifs and that's pretty much it...now if you do not agree with the price and feel like ur paying 2 much for 2 little...that's a double edged sword...for example with morrowind I kind of felt that way...since when I finished it it felt incomplete and lacking in terms of story telling...since the entire ending was inside clockwork city...that concluded everything...I really hope ZOS will not pull another one like that...cuz its just frustrating...like letting a starving dog sniff the fresh steak while he is chained to the wall...

Iluvrien · January 2018

As a side note for those "I'll buy it in the crown store because it is such a grind", I saved the following post as to me it felt like ZOS actually got it. They were a company about providing different ways to approach enjoyment in the game and weren't going to engage in shady or grindy tactics. ZOS started out (in November 2014) saying things like the following:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Since we released Update 5, we've been paying very close attention to your concerns about the changes to Experience versus Veteran Point gain. We’d like to address some of those concerns.

First and foremost, we want everyone to know that we have zero interest in trying to extend your playtime by making you grind for experience. That includes grinding quests, monsters, dungeons, or anything else. If people aren't having a good time, we know they won’t stick around, so artificially inflating time spent playing is a self-defeating practice we aren't interested in. Our number one priority is fun (this is a game, after all!) and promoting a diverse array of activity options that allow you to pursue experience gains however you like.

<SNIP>

Our current course of action is to fix the existing bugs, and then analyze before adjusting experience to be even more generous. Again, our goal is not to force a grind, we just don’t want to over-compensate. Thank you all for continuing to share your feedback and concerns on this issue.

(Emphasis and SNIP are mine, full post available here for anyone who wants to check that I am not intentionally spinning this.)

Now? Where has this resolve to not force a grind gone? That's right, directly into the crown store. Crown experience items for xp, research scrolls, riding training lessons, crown motifs... instead of looking at these systems and considering what would be the best incarnation of them at the current time, we get a crown store "solution".

How far they have fallen.

EDIT: To add original post link for openness and transparency.

olsborg · January 2018

When is this motif coming? Any1 know

rynth · January 2018

No where did the description say crown exclusive it said seasonal purchase doesn’t mean they won’t offer it for an event through quests rewards like skin changer and Halloween one or if it is exclusive. Why don’t want see before jumping to conclusion not only that you are jumping something that isn’t even in game yet. Jesus you people need get a grip and think before assuming something and making an ass out of yourselves

Aliyavana · January 2018

rynth wrote: »

No where did the description say crown exclusive it said seasonal purchase doesn’t mean they won’t offer it for an event through quests rewards like skin changer and Halloween one or if it is exclusive. Why don’t want see before jumping to conclusion not only that you are jumping something that isn’t even in game yet. Jesus you people need get a grip and think before assuming something and making an ass out of yourselves

seasonal purchase from the crown store. doesn't say available in both crown and seasonal ingame rewards. now you have too much faith in zos and are the definition of a white knight and as you say "you people need get a grip and think before assuming something and making an ass out of yourselves" we already have 2 seasonal crown store exclusive seasonal motifs that look awesome and why wouldn't they monetize this as a cash exclusive?...

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Well I'll be buying it because I won't be able to stand not knowing every style in the game.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

@Apache_Kid lets just hope they will not make a habit with adding every new future style motif to be a crown store exclusive one...im ok with 1 every year but no thx if we getting a new CS exclusive one every 3 months...

Apache_Kid · January 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@Apache_Kid lets just hope they will not make a habit with adding every new future style motif to be a crown store exclusive one...im ok with 1 every year but no thx if we getting a new CS exclusive one every 3 months...

Yeah obviously I'm not thrilled with it. Would much rather buy it with in game gold but I have plenty of crowns saved up since the last sale with not much to spend it on except some furniture maybe so I'm not too bothered if this is a one-off or something that isn't frequent.

Aliyavana · January 2018

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@Shawn_PT What do you think?

posted another photo from @Ratzkifal

LadyAstrum · January 2018

I'm already beginning to feel burned out on the crown store. I think I'll pass on the coming outfit system since it's going encourage more time-limited expensive motifs.

Whiphid · January 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

its what we had a subscription for? I don't see WoW making constant dlcs and stuff like that but a 1 year expansion...

WoWsub is mandatory, and then you still had to buy the yearly expansion.
Even worse, you could not skip expansions.

ESO has no mandatory sub, and lots of people basically playing for free.
But, if you have a sub, all the other DLC besides the yearly chapter, is free (included in sub).
So what exactly is the big difference?

CromulentForumID · January 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

God forbid that a company try to make money to fund development and pay their employees by putting something that gives no combat effect into a cash shop for real world money. Grow up.

God forbid a person wants the whole game when they buy a game.

No wonder games suck now with such blind slaves defending such practices

What you’re describing is not an MMORPG, which evolves over time and requires a variety of revenue streams for development and maintenance. In fact, this works out better for those diehards who only have the base game, as they can still get their motif without investing in a DLC or Chapter.

You have been severely brainwashed into accepting an unneeded practice. I paid for the game and pay for eso plus..how much more money do they want from me? You'll have to buy summerset and than buy motifs and loot boxes to get anything.

But keep that slave mindset

You are that confident you know ZOS' revenue and profit numbers that you can say money beyond a sub and game purchase is all just there to gouge customers? Not a single dollar of those other sources of money is needed to support continuing operations?

Let me guess, if those other revenue streams are needed, ZOS is just terrible at their business and need to figure out how to run the game, with no drop off in quality, with fewer people or cheaper offices.

You really are a confident person while working with zero information. I bet you're a hit on some political forums for sure.

You don't have to like the practice, but I hardly think players who don't find these crown motifs terrible are blind slaves, or severely brainwashed, to think a AAA MMO may need more than $15 a month from some players and a one-time game purchase amount.

Vimora · January 2018

Okay... I... am going to say that it is a mediocre-looking armor. It follows the same pattern as every other armor in the game. They just become ... indistinguishable from one another after a while. Sure the hat is nice, but if that's enough for you to think the whole thing is anything but mediocre, I'm sorry but you're the reason we can never get nicer NEW motifs.

Gargath · January 2018

Faulgor wrote: »

Buoyant Armiger is the only reason I still go to Vvardenfell. I'd rather have a continuously useful zone than a 3-day Crownstore item.

Care to explain what to do where to go to obtain any of the BA motif page? I play in Vvardenfell for so long and never get any page from this motif. I only see the Armiger on mobs and want to kill them all to strip the armor from their naked corpses.

Elsonso · January 2018

Gargath wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Buoyant Armiger is the only reason I still go to Vvardenfell. I'd rather have a continuously useful zone than a 3-day Crownstore item.

Care to explain what to do where to go to obtain any of the BA motif page? I play in Vvardenfell for so long and never get any page from this motif. I only see the Armiger on mobs and want to kill them all to strip the armor from their naked corpses.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Buoyant_Armiger_Style

Vapirko · January 2018

BOOOOOO! Bad ZOS, Bad!

Whiphid · January 2018

Faulgor wrote: »

Buoyant Armiger is the only reason I still go to Vvardenfell. I'd rather have a continuously useful zone than a 3-day Crownstore item.

If Vvardenfells only use is to grind chests day in day out, I wouldnt consider it a "useful zone".
Plus, the grind is all the more annoying because people leave half emptied chests all over the place. They really ought to implement a "take all or leave all" policy.

Elsonso · January 2018

Whiphid wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Buoyant Armiger is the only reason I still go to Vvardenfell. I'd rather have a continuously useful zone than a 3-day Crownstore item.

If Vvardenfells only use is to grind chests day in day out, I wouldnt consider it a "useful zone".
Plus, the grind is all the more annoying because people leave half emptied chests all over the place. They really ought to implement a "take all or leave all" policy.

By a very wide margin, most chests that I come across in the world are locked. Half eaten chests just mean that you are too close to the other player. These chests de-spawn after a bit.

Enodoc · January 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

I'm going to buy the motif just for the name, which I can't pronounce.

@Enodoc hth do you pronounce it? I am pronouncing it saysic for now

Say-uh-see (Tsa-e-sci) was the established pronunciation until Schicky came along with say-(e)-chee (Tsa'e-sci).

altemriel · January 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Taken from reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/7rnjs4/tsaesci_motif_confirmed_crown_store_exclusive_eso/, the tsaesic motif was one that was used on old war maiden outfits during the morrowind beta and was pulled off the motif for an unknown reason but during the beta everyone that saw the motif wanted it and zos probably took note that we the players wanted it. the tsaesic motif is what is about the equivilant to samarai looking armor and it is what all us weeboos will want. please zos let us weeboos be happy and don't make this a limited time offer like grim harlequin and frostcaster. Make it drop ingame or don't make it a limited time offer in the crown store at all and make it permanatly buyable.

Picture of the motif

Faulgor wrote: »

Feared as much. Was actually hoping for Tsaesci-related content.

Worst thing is, with the new outfit system, I might actually consider getting it.

aliyavana wrote: »

Anyone have pictures from the morrowind beta to show off the motif in the thumbnail?

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@Shawn_PT What do you think?

And let us buy seasonal dyes permanently man, like omg zos

f* hell, is that a katana!!!?????
I desperately need that!!!