akredon_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Is there something that we as players can do ? having leads is great and all but if you guys business is anything like the one i work at Production environment and Test environment Are typically different specially when you are dealing with over 1000+ users.

I for one want ESO to succeed specially the PVP but ZOS really does need to do a better job at giving us SOMETHING a little bit of hope goes so far. you just commenting on this post greatly helps moral, but it will only sate a few of us. I love what you do i think you are one of the best community managers in any game that i have been apart of but, Alot of us have been here for over 4 years and we keep getting the same thing and it gets really dis heartening.

I have Mad love for yall but just give us something. You tell us what you need and we will get it for you im 100% certain the community will help if you allow.

Proper dispersal of populace in campaigns would help. Some are Full/Full/Full. While others don't even have the first bar filled at times.

People wanna zerg. If more incentives/restrictions were added there probably would be more stability.

Should this be called the Whining for self intitled snow flakes discussion thread or the constructive criti

Iccotak wrote: »

AngelFires333 wrote: »

I wonder what the majority is.
The hardcore elite player or the casual player that plays because they have not released ES6 yet?

@AngelFires333
Actually I remember playing ES4 & ES5 thinking that this would be a great setting for an MMO.
I think that ESO presents opportunity for more creativity and cultural explorations. I always felt off playing other races than the home races of the province we were playing in.
it always felt more appropriate to play a Nord in Skyrim, Dunmer in Morrowind, and Imperial in Oblivion. (though I always had an Argonian character save)
I feel in ESO I have more narrative freedom to be who I want. (However, I do have some discrepancies with the class system but that is for a different thread)

@Iccotak .
Personally I play this game for the social aspect.
"it always felt more appropriate to play a Nord in Skyrim, Dunmer in Morrowind, and Imperial in Oblivion."


Same.

ESO devs found out they can't fix Cyrodiil more than the current status. To reduce lag further they would need new server hosting methods which are too big a hassle to implement.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

Just want to let you know that we have been seeing your concerns. Game performance and loading screens is something that we're constantly monitoring and investigating ways to improve. That said, we do understand there have been an increase in reported issues lately, and we know it's frustrating. We have some fixes for loading screens coming to next week's PTS patch, and believe we have some leads for overall performance improvements that we're actively digging into.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Page=p1&adv=&search=lag&title=&author=&cat=all&tags=&discussion_d=1&discussion_question=1&discussion_poll=1&comment_c=1&comment_answer=1&within=1+day&date=

100 pages of lag complaints......I work in retail and one complaint is murder to my company i work for....... like for real Gina Ive played this game off and on. and the last time I played I stopped playing because lag in pvp. if you guys can't work it out, Just say so! its so much easier just admitting defeat then trying to say a fix is coming. It would at least make your job easier. it hurts like a sun burn seeing this game slowing die from its own self inflicted wounds.

Just want to let you know that we have been seeing your concerns. Game performance and loading screens is something that we're constantly monitoring and investigating ways to improve. That said, we do understand there have been an increase in reported issues lately, and we know it's frustrating. We have some fixes for loading screens coming to next week's PTS patch, and believe we have some leads for overall performance improvements that we're actively digging into

I just got to laugh. I have lost count on how many times I have heard the above story or something similar to it from ZOS. Hey ZOS just wanted to say actions speak louder than words.

Acrolas wrote: »

You're just not going to have real-time performance with the size of the map and the number of people mashing buttons.

Any time I've been in Cyrodiil in the middle of a big battle, I just take a deep breath and say, yes, this is exactly how fast a server can process and resolve this many simultaneous requests. There's no real way to fix that. There's no cure for people congesting a few map points instead of spreading smaller battles out throughout the map. It's turning PVP into a Black Friday queue where everyone's banging at the doors and claiming to be the first person in line. PVP DLC won't help the problem. If they're not fast, cheap, and easy AP farms, then they're inferior to Cyrodiil.

I don't see ZOS having any chance at appeasing people who choose playstyles that complicate improving performance. So in a way I see PVP as a reflection of the player base and not necessarily ZOS's fault.

No. That's not it. ZOS needs to roll back their 1.2 lighting and FX upgrade. Performance In Cyrodiil has been **** ever since that "upgrade." Seems they'd rather the game looks good rather than plays well.

The #1 Killer in Cyrodiil- lag.
The #2 Killer in Cyrodiil- can't get through the #$%&ing keep door.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

How do we know this is hard to fix? What we do know is that the lag is game breaking, worse then any proc set or skill. It is so bad and unfair to us the customer base that they should be open about the issues and the solutions. If there was an open dialogue real improvements might happen.

Because if it was easy it would have been fixed to stop people moaning about it.

Nallenil wrote: »

ESO devs found out they can't fix Cyrodiil more than the current status. To reduce lag further they would need new server hosting methods which are too big a hassle to implement.

Is this a factual statement and do you have the evidence to back it up?

kyle.wilson wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

looks like you're not being ignored

That response is almost cut and paste from the dozens of other times threads like this have been made over the last 4 years.
The, we'll look into it, only means something if a tangible result comes out.
Game performance issues are about to hit 4 years with no real change.

So you get a response and you are still not happy. Go play something else. You're the consumer after all. Or, if you are so certain it's easy to fix, apply for a job with Zenimax and show them your skills.

I'm not happy with the response because we've heard it countless times. You probably haven't played long if you think that a response from ZOS is anything other than attempt to quiet discord.
I'm a field service engineer for high end CNC equipment. If anything I service performed as badly as this server, it would have been scrapped already.

But that is not the same thing at all. I agree with you that it needs to be fixed but you cannot compare fixing a piece of equipment to fixing this environment across 3 different hardware platforms. Plus take in to account the non-uniformity in PC clients with add-ons etc and network/ISP lag and even differences in console clients with PS4 Pro/Xbox One X etc. Everyone seems to think you can flick a switch and make it better. It's just not that simple. You really need a good understanding of IT infrastructure, database engineering, software coding, and a number of other topics to be able to even comprehend the difficulty in fixing this. I understand the infrastructure side, (in principle as I don't know how the server farm is actually architected), but the other two elements mentioned I have no clue about apart from a rudimentary understanding of how they sit on the infrastructure and basic methodologies for database design.

As other posters have mentioned, rolling back some of the graphical improvements, (both client and server side), may help but for console players that is not really an option so that is not the fix for all. Put more servers in may help with the number of calculations per second required but it may mean a rewrite of the core code to do this. Development projects can take months or even years when the core code is already in use by millions of players worldwide.

Imagine if ZOS took a DevOps approach and released a new fix every hour to keep everyone moaning on the forums happy - imagine the performance then and the negativity it would receive. Look at Apple's AppStore. This is effectively a DevOps environment and why your Apps update every few days/weeks. Then look at the reviews for each app as a new version is put on the store. It's the same process, development cycles take time.

I was playing Maelstrom Arena last night and got some lag which meant I kept getting wiped by the poison clouds. Now, the simple answer there is to remove the poison clouds,. However, that means that you need to re-architect that level to make it a challenge without the poison - which takes time.

My last comment on this is - everyone of a certain age remembers Windows Me.

Basically before the game launched they promised that they could deliver 600 players on screen in PvP without lag. That's not possible.

Solution is to scale down the allowed amount of players in campaigns or start writing up some p2p netcode for pvp.