No more short skirts and stuff!!

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Turbotailz · January 2018

Eh grow up OP like why is this even a problem? There are things human beings gravitate towards and some they don't. Every fantasy game you'll play or even in reality will have skimpy outfits for males and females. You can say at this point that it's tradition and something we like hence why it's made. Those outfits are made for alluring people and it works / sells well. Why argue about that concept when you're not truly into it to begin with?

Samadhi · January 2018

Tapio75 wrote: »

My opinion of armpor has nothing to do with womens right to choose what they wear. As a Green party member in my country, i am strongly towards full equity and same rights regardless of person being male, female or other.

What i am trying to talk about here, is that women in Tamriel have right for protective wear that prevents injury and possibly death in battle with swords and in terms of reasonable fantasy realism, limited magickal protection that allows mages to wear cloth robes instead of armors nad those sneaky ones , leather that does not prevent pointy swords to slay them or mashing maces to bash their heads, nut protecxt them while they roll dodge in a ground from those weapons
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All these forms of armor are made available for female characters in a variety of motifs
that does not require anyone to wear them to facilitate your expectations of immersion tho

we could have a discussion about the practicality of molded metal boob plates despite full body coverage

but this thread is not expressing an idea about whether or not those are present, it is making a request that there be no more 'short skirts' present

Tapio75 wrote: »

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I also understand that realism is somewhat far fetched subject in these games as we e to be realistic damage vise but at least i can wish the game to look like people are actually caring about their well being.
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You can wish and have fantasies about people dressing however you choose
just don't maintain expectation for anyone but yourself to actually adhere to your dress code
we are busy playing our own characters

and if my Bosmer is strung out on skooma and tanking naked feeling no pain in a dungeon
ur just gonna have to call the guards 'cause she don't give a ***

Tapio75 wrote: »

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One thing w also might consider is, that we are characters in Tamriel, in Nirn.. Not people in Earth while we play. At least some of us play as characters in Tamriel

Not sure about you, but personally role play while in game
as such, do not hold expectations to have other individuals act precisely to my desires
recognize them to be free individuals acting howsoever they choose
much more immersive that way, rather than expecting everyone to robotically cater to my ideas of what they should dress and act like

The armours and outfits in this game have a good variety, with a nice sense of racial style to them
Dressing in a short-cut Bosmeri fashion feels like a different form of self-expression than dressing in more regal Imperial or Breton style fashions

Pwnyridah · January 2018

These are the best outfits in ages, don't listen to OP!

I'm sick of boring outfits. These are amazing. Instant purchase.

emilyhyoyeon · January 2018

Tapio75 wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

this is argonian casual wear. don't see the issue

I dont seee an issue either as long as it is kept as casual clothing, not as battle "armour".

so what you're saying is that you don't think costumes (and soon outfits) should override armor in combat?

swippy · January 2018

Tapio75 wrote: »

immersive

well played!

Jaraal · January 2018

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

...meanwhile, for the "how dare they go against Established TES Lore" thing. How about Nocturnal's robes, Falmer armor, or Forsworn armor, for something more recent than Arena?

Yeah my initiate was rocking the Armor of the Old Gods. Although to this day, I could never figure out where she stashed all that extra loot! And I sure wasn't gonna ask!

firedrgn · January 2018

Well we sorcs have magic wards so we dont need armor.

swippy · January 2018

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

And maybe some girls but i think women are more about stuff that makes sense unlike small boys

Maybe some girls? lol I know plenty of chicks... who play this game... who love this ***, myself included and Im no spring chicken either. Its just a costume, hell Mazzatun is pretty skimpy and its actual armor - cant wait to buy it eventually. Not every woman feels the need to cover herself up, also they are just characters - pixels man, they are just pixels! Let them be freeeeee

Personally hold distaste for the sentiment that we are 'about' particular fashion decisions,
and that skimpy clothing exists to cater to the male fantasy complex

it reinforces the sentiment that the female body is simply only ever exposed to be put on display for men
and that a woman cannot wear something 'fun' without it being about appealing to men, rather than for her own enjoyment

We need some men's shirts + short skirt combos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJL4UGSbeFg

The girls need a break, tonight we're gonna take
The chance to get out on the town
We don't need romance, we only wanna dance
We're gonna let our hair hang down

A new dawn is upon us, now it's SJWs and not "misogynist" guys who defend skimpy attire! XD

or maybe there are some people who can get beyond the whole "objectification" discussion long enough to apply individual preferences to individual circumstances without using labels that others designed specifically to polarize people?

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

...meanwhile, for the "how dare they go against Established TES Lore" thing. How about Nocturnal's robes, Falmer armor, or Forsworn armor, for something more recent than Arena?

i believe Dibella has represented with a couple hot numbers, too

Banana · January 2018

Stop talking crazy

Aeorath · January 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Costume which can soon be used with outfit system to overwrite the real armor looks.

I don't mind this sort of "look" (and I am TOTALLY opposed to "bewbs and bums" armor for common sense reason).

Lot of folk play this game and it's nice to have options.

Looking for common sense... good luck with that, even though I agree with you. I remember the times when I used to play Lineage II and you'd see a heavy armor (especially on female characters) which would not cover almost anything; probably the kids loved it, I don't know.

phermitgb · January 2018

the fundamental problem with the cosmetic style of any MMO is your goal to acquire large #'s of people...

and it turns out that people have different opinions on what they want in a game, visually (and in every other factor, but we're talking about a visual issue here, so we'll stick with that for now"

1 - men who like sexy women (most men at various points in time)
2 - women who like sexy women and/or being a sexy woman (they do exist)
3 - women who object to the objectification of women (they also exist)
4 - men who object to the objectification of women (some actually exist, others are trying to get in the pants of group 3)
5 - practicalists/realists (regardless of gender, recognize that being sexy and fighting with steel weapons not necessarily compatible lifestyles, but fail to properly appreciate that THEY'RE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME WITH MAGIC AND ***!!)
6 - people who don't give 2 kittens about cosmetic issues and only care about game mechanics

and I'm sure you could add more categories than that...

I guess my point is - expecting harmony in any MMO over any subject is...ultimately unrealistic. There are too many people with too many agendas, BY DESIGN!! A successful MMO WANTS large #'s of people, and to encourage large #'s of people to play their game, they include a large # of factors, which nearly everyone will disagree about to one degree or another...

My personal feeling. I like sexy girls. I ALSO like games that have practical outfits for men and women alike. I don't particularly care about sexy men. *shrug*...ESO strikes a fairly decent balance between cosmetic variations for a large variety of situations and personal preferences while avoiding most of the extremes (like g-string bikini armor and shoulder pads that can block out the sun), and I'm okay with that. I feel like there SHOULD be moderately sexy options for the people that want that, while still providing modestly stylized gender-specific armors that are more or less practical (okay, maybe less practical, but still reasonably modest) for other folks

this is the balance that ESO has chosen to strike as far as game-based aesthetics while also trying to satisfy a large, varied, passionate, and not-at-all consistent or agreeable playerbase. I say ESO aesthetics have been as reasonable and respectful as you can expect from any MMO, and better than some. but, that's my opinion, for what it's worth.

SisterGoat · January 2018

If you want to run around in practical armor, then more power to you. But don't tell me what I should and shouldn't wear for fun in a fantasy game.

ArchMikem · January 2018

idk wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

I like women with less clothing but please just keep the ESO like TES should be, reasonable armor that actually looks like it can protect the player.

ESO's available costumes is probably the most conservative in major MMORPGs. Tamriel isn't exactly puritan.

I bet if the Dev team started pumping out clothing more in-line with most Japanese or Korean MMOs that have busty female sorcerers wearing nothing but pasties on the game cover these people would have heart attacks.

OlafdieWaldfee · January 2018

Tapio75 wrote: »

Well, im not the only player so why not, be skimpy if you wish. I just dont understand why would someone go to dangerous situations in an near underwear clothing :P

This though, has nothing to do with Bosmer/Argonian lore, it has to do with fact that women in skimpy clothes sell good to small boys

And maybe some girls but i think women are more about stuff that makes sense unlike small boys

So what I am in your strictly spun system of moralic judgement? I like my male chars in skimpy outfits and will dress them like poledancers as soon as the outfit system goes life.

Except for when they're tanking. They will look bulky as heck during dungeon runs.

Sheezabeast · January 2018

But it looks so cute on my Argonian! It's flattering and if you use light dyes, it looks super cute!

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Horowonnoe · January 2018

No, i disagree. Please more slutty costumes!!! : )

I love my short skirts.

ArchMikem · January 2018

Yeah! Do medium skirts this time!

Tirps · January 2018

Personally, im totally ok with those short skirts

They got already so many motifs and costumes that doesn't cover vital bits, and anyways there aren't locational damage or sword hit won't kill you even if you are naked. So not hurting my immersion.

Also I would really like to have more uncovering costumes for males, that bath towel doesn't look that good..

thomas1970b16_ESO · January 2018

I kind of agree. It can be immersion-breaking.

CardboardedBox · January 2018

Everyone is complaining about "hot female" characters wearing it, but nobody thinks to mention the fact that, you know, it IS meant for argonians. Any opinions on argonians wearing it? They're usually not considered hot lol.

And argonians are covered in thick scaly skin. They're pretty much wearing a full body set of medium armor, when they're naked.... So the lack of armor probably doesn't effect them as much.

AnviOfVai · January 2018

Sheezabeast wrote: »

But it looks so cute on my Argonian! It's flattering and if you use light dyes, it looks super cute!

I also bought the other one to this last night and they do look freaking gorgeous on Argonians

Im quite happy with what they release outfit wise, Don't really have a problem with it.

Ermiq · January 2018

phermitgb wrote: »

the fundamental problem with the cosmetic style of any MMO is your goal to acquire large #'s of people...

and it turns out that people have different opinions on what they want in a game, visually (and in every other factor, but we're talking about a visual issue here, so we'll stick with that for now"

1 - men who like sexy women (most men at various points in time)
2 - women who like sexy women and/or being a sexy woman (they do exist)
3 - women who object to the objectification of women (they also exist)
4 - men who object to the objectification of women (some actually exist, others are trying to get in the pants of group 3)
5 - practicalists/realists (regardless of gender, recognize that being sexy and fighting with steel weapons not necessarily compatible lifestyles, but fail to properly appreciate that THEY'RE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME WITH MAGIC AND ***!!)
6 - people who don't give 2 kittens about cosmetic issues and only care about game mechanics

and I'm sure you could add more categories than that...

I guess my point is - expecting harmony in any MMO over any subject is...ultimately unrealistic. There are too many people with too many agendas, BY DESIGN!! A successful MMO WANTS large #'s of people, and to encourage large #'s of people to play their game, they include a large # of factors, which nearly everyone will disagree about to one degree or another...

My personal feeling. I like sexy girls. I ALSO like games that have practical outfits for men and women alike. I don't particularly care about sexy men. *shrug*...ESO strikes a fairly decent balance between cosmetic variations for a large variety of situations and personal preferences while avoiding most of the extremes (like g-string bikini armor and shoulder pads that can block out the sun), and I'm okay with that. I feel like there SHOULD be moderately sexy options for the people that want that, while still providing modestly stylized gender-specific armors that are more or less practical (okay, maybe less practical, but still reasonably modest) for other folks

this is the balance that ESO has chosen to strike as far as game-based aesthetics while also trying to satisfy a large, varied, passionate, and not-at-all consistent or agreeable playerbase. I say ESO aesthetics have been as reasonable and respectful as you can expect from any MMO, and better than some. but, that's my opinion, for what it's worth.

I'm generally agree with you, all you're saying is right. But when I see this

phermitgb wrote: »

5 - practicalists/realists (regardless of gender, recognize that being sexy and fighting with steel weapons not necessarily compatible lifestyles, but fail to properly appreciate that THEY'RE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME WITH MAGIC AND ***!!)

I'm just... - OMG, another "there's a magic and this is just a game" BS.
Look. I know there's a magic, okay? It's a fantasy genre after all. And I have something to tell you about fantasy genre.
Fantasy is not a fairytale, they're two different things. You can expect speaking pink unicorns eating clouds and little people jumping to the Sun just because they believe they can jump so high, and they can live in piece with wolfs just because "a power of love" or "a magic!". It's okay in fairytales.
Fantasy is different. (A -good- fantasy I mean, or a West-world fantasy if you will, because Asian fantasy is different as well). Fantasy world still has some real-world references, it works and acts like if it was for real, it has a gravitation power, it has a predator-prey wildlife, there are wars for power, money or religion... And yes, there are still weapons and armor that works just like a real-world weapons and armor (I'm not talking about staves now, okay?). Of course we have magic shields, enchanting and so on, but it's not because of stupid "a magic!", it is because of gameplay mechanics. If there was a TES movie, you would see people die from the arrows, but in the game it wouldn't work that way because it wouldn't be fun enough and it's quite hard to make a fully realistic combat fun enough.
Just curious, is there any gameplay mechanic that forces devs to allow casual dresses in combat? 'cause I really doubt that women would fight with a sword while wearing a short top and skirt in TES movie or in a book (well, yes, they would actually, until they get cut, and they'd get cut in first minute of the fight).

arena25 · January 2018

Tapio75 wrote: »

I like women with less clothing but please just keep the ESO like TES should be, reasonable armor that actually looks like it can protect the player.

Wait, I'm confused...can someone enlighten me as to what OP is talking about?

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I'm not sure what this thread is talking about and I'm getting curious.

Tasear · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

I like women with less clothing but please just keep the ESO like TES should be, reasonable armor that actually looks like it can protect the player.

Whoah whoah whoah. If my girl wants to show some skin and slay men and monsters, it's my characters right to do so.

This^

As woman playing a woman character. This is my answer.

AnviOfVai · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

I like women with less clothing but please just keep the ESO like TES should be, reasonable armor that actually looks like it can protect the player.

Whoah whoah whoah. If my girl wants to show some skin and slay men and monsters, it's my characters right to do so.

This^

As woman playing a woman character. This is my answer.

Ectheliontnacil · January 2018

@Samadhi

Just a joke, take it lightly^^

Samadhi · January 2018

Eremith wrote: »

...If there was a TES movie, you would see people die from the arrows, but in the game it wouldn't work that way because it wouldn't be fun enough and it's quite hard to make a fully realistic combat fun enough.
...

If there was a TES movie,
the opening scene would be a random adventurer
hit by an arrow to the knee
then it would cut to his or her life as a guard

Eremith wrote: »

...Just curious, is there any gameplay mechanic that forces devs to allow casual dresses in combat? 'cause I really doubt that women would fight with a sword while wearing a short top and skirt in TES movie or in a book (well, yes, they would actually, until they get cut, and they'd get cut in first minute of the fight).

would the men be safe to duel in their fancy tunics or wedding and noble suits?

Sword Dancing best dancing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4_PWKOCz0U

Samadhi · January 2018

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@Samadhi

Just a joke, take it lightly^^

No offense intended, but who are you again?

Without the quote chain of posts it is, at times, difficult for me to keep track of who is who in a thread

coplannb16_ESO · January 2018

got that lipstick too in my free crown crates (everything else was junk too as expected). I would be soo pissed if I had actually bought those crates for real money, lol.

can play a cross-dresser vamp with lipstick now yeah!