The Definitive Definition of an Elite ESO Player

duendology · January 2018

Getern wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed, he even had a title made for himself calling himself a god or something along those lines. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

This is not entirely like that. Tell me, cause I used to have many of those situations. How many times did you actually try to help someone, advise him, teach him something in pug daylies or other stuff but he denied ur help? I ve become salty elitist not just because I am feeling above them in general. I am feeling to be above them because they refuse to learn themself something I am trying to share. You know, you do actually lose time on teaching someone. How do u feel when u know that ur entire work was pointless. Example: My national guild, guild leader was taking anyone really. There were not a lot of us, so he was not making a fuss. But hey, while I was trying to teach new players the ropes, they were just stubborn when it comes to learn. We had only 3 competetive players. Everything else was/is garbage, and u know what? We are blamed, because we didn't teach them how to play... This is where frustration is born and you start to despise people. Combine that with getting constantly zerged down on PVP and frustration with proc sets and poisons. Voilà community created Salt-Lord. No first and not last. I guess this is the definition of ur elite player. Don't get me wrong I am doing it on purpose. But it just happens when everyone is going full pug.

See, and this is something that makes me sad also disappointed in those newcomers who are simply rude... because I am one of those (somewhat) new that wants to learn and appreciates people's effort and patience, players who want and find satisfaction in teaching newbies how to be good at "dungeoning". Like I wrote earlier in this thread, I wish there was some teaching guild that would have experienced players who have enough of patience and laid-back attitude to run with "pupils".. but these teachers needs to be aware that they don't run this or that dungeon to finish it (as they did numerous times anyway) but to show people the mechanics.. The same.. the pupils should be..simply.. polite and, well, diligent.

I guess, I can dream at least.

Make2k15 · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

LOL. Seriously though, elite PVE skills = Capable of doing Flawless vMA runs without pets and Sigils. Elite trading skills = capable of earning 2mil+ gold profit weekly.

Yubarius · January 2018

So being good at the game makes you elite, which has a typical negative connotation. Since when did being good at something make you the bad guy??

Izaki · January 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

"Do you consider yourself as elite? Why?"

Imagine having that in the guild application form. What on earth is a person supposed to say?!

The truth. And it'd say much more about them and whether or not you want something to do with them than a thousand niggly little questions.

The definition of an "elite" player is different for pretty much every single person who plays this game. Its purely subjective. So no, it doesn't give any insight at all into what kind of person you are.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Izaki wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

"Do you consider yourself as elite? Why?"

Imagine having that in the guild application form. What on earth is a person supposed to say?!

The truth. And it'd say much more about them and whether or not you want something to do with them than a thousand niggly little questions.

The definition of an "elite" player is different for pretty much every single person who plays this game. Its purely subjective. So no, it doesn't give any insight at all into what kind of person you are.

You can learn alot about a person based on how they describe themself, and how they answer a subjective question.

I'm very suprised this isn't readily apparent.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Yubarius wrote: »

So being good at the game makes you elite, which has a typical negative connotation. Since when did being good at something make you the bad guy??

Since 'elite' players became controlling, overbearing, and abusive.

It started with darksouls where the trend really took form. The whole 'git gud' phenominon morphed into "Because I am elite, I have a right to troll those below me." Or mock them mercilessly, and the like. The continuous shaming and hate toward people who are inexperienced has allways existed, but it's become much more focused in raid communities and MMO's, to the point where it's gained that stigma.

Thus, anyone who aspires to that level now gains that reputation. And to be brutally fair, a combination of ego and percieved power more often than not makes people like that.

@Yubarius

acw37162 · January 2018

Actually you could reduce the list by half.

Danksta · January 2018

Izaki wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

"Do you consider yourself as elite? Why?"

Imagine having that in the guild application form. What on earth is a person supposed to say?!

Do some end game guilds really have applications?

idk · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed, he even had a title made for himself calling himself a god or something along those lines. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

@Ch4mpTW

My guess by the post I quoted is you don't know any top players. For one, they don't call themselves elites. As for the rest since you seem to think they merely pay themselves on the back or cause issues here and there I provide the following to show they are the ones that help others. It actually starts with them and those in their league.

Those that get worlds first and other top players often help others. Some of the help is extremely obvious and apparent in these forums and elsewhere.

Let's we for starters.

@Alcast has some world firsts. He has threads in these forums and if tagged or sent a private he reponsds in my experienxe.

Here is his website full of information to help. https://alcasthq.com

Let's not leave our @Woeler who has some world firsts. I've seen him respond in threads as well and probably has the best tanking website for ESO. https://woeler.eu

These guys uksate their information as it changes from update to update. If a small undertaking and certainly significantly more than most players do to help others.

Visit Tamriel foundry and look at the class sections of their forums and you'll find more with WFs posting build info.

These guys also work with other guilds to help them progress with content. They probably spend a significant part of their ESO time helping others.

Oh, and it's more than just than those two. They're just the easiest ones to point out.

AngelFires333 · January 2018

AngelFires333 · January 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

So being good at the game makes you elite, which has a typical negative connotation. Since when did being good at something make you the bad guy??

Since 'elite' players became controlling, overbearing, and abusive.

It started with darksouls where the trend really took form. The whole 'git gud' phenominon morphed into "Because I am elite, I have a right to troll those below me." Or mock them mercilessly, and the like. The continuous shaming and hate toward people who are inexperienced has allways existed, but it's become much more focused in raid communities and MMO's, to the point where it's gained that stigma.

Thus, anyone who aspires to that level now gains that reputation. And to be brutally fair, a combination of ego and percieved power more often than not makes people like that.

@Yubarius

Woeler · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

That person would be me. But then again, I actually do stuff for this community. I am of service to people. And I will keep posting builds, I will keep creating useful tools like eso-database and esoraidplanner, I will keep moderating the subreddit and I will keep investing my time to benefit this community. You can't call those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.

[minor edit for bait]

disintegr8 · January 2018

I am so glad I am so far away from most of the definitions listed by the OP and several others.

All of my toons still wear full or part sets of crafted gear, I have never been on vDSA or vMA, never set foot in a vet trial, never completed the 4 vet DLC dungeons mentioned, never been Emp, many of my max toons do not wear all gold gear and the most I have ever registered on a target skeleton is about 16k damage per second.

But... I have completed Cadwells silver/gold, Master Angler, am a Hero of Tamriel, have a 9 trait crafter who has completely learned about 45 motif styles, have 7 other 8 trait crafters, have made over 30 million gold, own 43 houses and made VR16 on at least one character before CP took over.

There are many things a person can strive for in this game and as such there should probably be varying definitions of Elite, rather than relying most heavily on fighting skills and abilities.

ZOS_CoriJ · January 2018

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DoctorESO · January 2018

AngelFires333 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

So being good at the game makes you elite, which has a typical negative connotation. Since when did being good at something make you the bad guy??

Since 'elite' players became controlling, overbearing, and abusive.

It started with darksouls where the trend really took form. The whole 'git gud' phenominon morphed into "Because I am elite, I have a right to troll those below me." Or mock them mercilessly, and the like. The continuous shaming and hate toward people who are inexperienced has allways existed, but it's become much more focused in raid communities and MMO's, to the point where it's gained that stigma.

Thus, anyone who aspires to that level now gains that reputation. And to be brutally fair, a combination of ego and percieved power more often than not makes people like that.

@Yubarius

I LOL'ed at this meme. So awesome and so elitist all at once.

munster1404 · January 2018

HatchetHaro wrote: »

I really dislike PvPrs who belittle PvErs for being good at PvE. Those people like to call PvE trial runners "carebears" and often question why beating some time records in trials is even a competition. True definition of an elitist right there.

Competition in PvE trials vs competition in PvP kills are two completely different things. It's like comparing a 4×400m relay race to a boxing match; they're both completely different sports, and they both exist in the Olympic Games.

No reason why one should be superior to the other.

I find it amusing why PvPrs like to call PvErs carebears since PvP is an even more curated activity than PvE and requires more babysitting.

gabormezo · January 2018

- has no wife
- has no children
- has no work

Many of us are destined to never earn elite status despite we love this game too.

agegarton · January 2018

Based on the list, I now judge myself to be 70% elite. In the tradition of in-game chat bluster and ***, I will tell others that I am elite (on the basis of accountancy rounding 5o the nearest hundred).

WuffyCerulei · January 2018

*checks list and checks for almost all* o crap

I haven't cleared vHoF yet, and I don't have the no death+speed+HM runs for Falkreath, Bloodforge, and Cradle of Shadows. I've never really expressed interest in those cuz the rewards are poo. Some hat, burn victim skin, and a skin that makes you look like an evil candy cane.

Kram8ion · January 2018

Can we do the casual list?
At least that was a bit more entertaining
#cough'triggered

Uviryth · January 2018

I literally dont check off even one box on this list. I feel bad now. Are you happy?

KRBC · January 2018

An elite player is some one who has purchased every item in the crown store, gets every item from every season of loot crates, has all DLCs/Expansions and has ESO plus

Olen_Mikko · January 2018

Elitism is not about achievements. It's bad attitude

Tasear · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

As an owner of 5 healers and 2 tanks you are insulting us.

These roles take skill just as much maybe even more to do.

randomkeyhits · January 2018

For me an elite player is one who makes the difficult look easy, preferably in a stylish manner.

Thats all.

Nothing about what they've purchased or how they treat other players or how many hours they've invested, just their skill.

The whole elite as in attitude, thats a completely different conversation which usually goes down the toilet pretty fast.

To be honest I rank friendly and team player above elite. If they are really good its a welcome bonus, but simply having fun comes first.

DieAlteHexe · January 2018

Uviryth wrote: »

I literally dont check off even one box on this list. I feel bad now. Are you happy?

Me either!

But I don't care one iota, I'm loving the game as I play it.

Uviryth · January 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

I literally dont check off even one box on this list. I feel bad now. Are you happy?

Me either!

But I don't care one iota, I'm loving the game as I play it.

I play since 2014, have never done a single dungeon, and cant for the life of me finish that darn Veteran Maelstrom Arena, and, I´m loving it

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Woeler wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

That person would be me. But then again, I actually do stuff for this community. I am of service to people. And I will keep posting builds, I will keep creating useful tools like eso-database and esoraidplanner, I will keep moderating the subreddit and I will keep investing my time to benefit this community. You can't call those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.

[minor edit for bait]

We can when they're acting the definition of arrogant to a T.

This is the kind of self importance I keep descriving, and exactly -why- there has become a stigma around being in that upper echelon of skill level.

You can do alot for this community, and still be toxic, arrogant, and the list goes on. Accomplishments giving back to the community dont phase those things out, they just underline them.

olivesforge · January 2018

This is clearly a terrible fake news thread which should be deleted in shame.

Master Angler should be included in every post.

All else is lies and folly.

Apherius · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
[*]Has a microphone for voice chat capability

So according to this i'm not an elite player because i don't have a microphone for voice chat capability, even if I completed Veteran Trial, Veteran Dungeon in HM/No death / speed without saying a single word in 3 years. I prefer to listen, analyze then act.