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Was the Storm Atronach Ninja nerfed ?
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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Yup, but it had the potential (if its DPS was truly buffed a lot) to see use in certain battles. Specifically fights where pure single-target DPS is key and AoE barely needed.
In it’s current state it is totally unused.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I as well had my hopes. But not everything that shines is gold.Auri-El is my lord,
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Magnus is my mind.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.
Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.
It's just how ZoS rolls.
Joyston
I didn't want to say it, because I don't want to insult anyone.
But yes, unannounced nerfs are scarily common
I always wanted this to be an ultimate worthy of 200 cost. But looks like still a no go.
And the AoE version is a huge DPS loss. Loss a quarter of the duration for three little AoE ticks. Zos please buffMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ah so this is another case of the good old "lets nerf the somewhat decent morph to make the bad morph more attractive" ...Jo'Khaljor2 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.
Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.
It's just how ZoS rolls.
Joyston I didn't want to say it, because I don't want to insult anyone.
But yes, unannounced nerfs are scarily common
I always wanted this to be an ultimate worthy of 200 cost. But looks like still a no go.
And the AoE version is a huge DPS loss. Loss a quarter of the duration for three little AoE ticks. Zos please buff
Has the Atronach ever received a buff ? As far as I can remember, there never was one. Only thing that comes to mind is the break free. But damage and functionality wise, nothing.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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Sounds like it. Except the good morph wasn’t even good to begin with, and the whole thing was phrased as an enormous buff when in truth it’s barely going to be noticeable.Ah so this is another case of the good old "lets nerf the somewhat decent morph to make the bad morph more attractive" ...
Let’s put it like this: “This will be a buff if you are at 720CP.”
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haven't they always been very communicative when it comes to PTS bug threads ? According to the silence, we may expect it to be intended this way
unnecessary. Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
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Sounds like it. Except the good morph wasn’t even good to begin with, and the whole thing was phrased as an enormous buff when in truth it’s barely going to be noticeable.Ah so this is another case of the good old "lets nerf the somewhat decent morph to make the bad morph more attractive" ...
Let’s put it like this: “This will be a buff if you are at 720CP.”
This is especialy bad considering atro in non CP environments, its just utter trash there now.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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Not just bad for non-CP, but mainly focusing on lowbie players who aren’t really using BiS or optimized builds yet. The players who are super low CP and want to use the Storm Atro Ult because it’s cool and seems effective. It’s getting a massive nerf for them, so if it helped them a lot before, it really won’t as much now.
Sounds like it. Except the good morph wasn’t even good to begin with, and the whole thing was phrased as an enormous buff when in truth it’s barely going to be noticeable.Ah so this is another case of the good old "lets nerf the somewhat decent morph to make the bad morph more attractive" ...
Let’s put it like this: “This will be a buff if you are at 720CP.”
This is especialy bad considering atro in non CP environments, its just utter trash there now.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
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Sounds like it. Except the good morph wasn’t even good to begin with, and the whole thing was phrased as an enormous buff when in truth it’s barely going to be noticeable.Ah so this is another case of the good old "lets nerf the somewhat decent morph to make the bad morph more attractive" ...
Let’s put it like this: “This will be a buff if you are at 720CP.”
This is especialy bad considering atro in non CP environments, its just utter trash there now.
Haven't looked at it from this perspective yet. CP barely manage to make up for the nerf, and only if you put lots of points into thaumaturge on top of elemental expert. It will be completely useless in no CP, more than it is now.Auri-El is my lord,
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Magnus is my mind.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS will only stop nerfing sorcs when they reach the magicaDK 1.6 kind of unplayable.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This will be a buff if....
No,no..seriously tho. Does the aoe-atronach really only have a 6m radius and ticks 3 times over the entire duration? That seems extremely weak imo...no?
Edited by olsborg on January 19, 2018 7:54AM
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This will be a buff if....
No,no..seriously tho. Does the aoe-atronach really only have a 6m radius and ticks 3 times over the entire duration? That seems extremely weak imo...no?
That's how it is. Only 3 ticks and 6 meter radius.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I wouldn't say "stealth nerfed" or bring up any conspiracy theories about how ZOS nerfed the Storm Atronach, I'll just say that its most likely bugged on the PTS, just like 10000000 other things.
And don't expect a damage increase of 34%. CP work pretty weirdly with all other % multipliers and even the different CP stars themselves also fuction in that same weird way. For example Minor Slayer only gives you about 3.6% more damage, same goes for a Greatsword. So yeah, don't ever trust tooltips that have a % in them, no more.Edited by Izaki on January 19, 2018 8:03AM@ Izaki #PCEU
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't say "stealth nerfed" or bring up any conspiracy theories about how ZOS nerfed the Storm Atronach, I'll just say that its most likely bugged on the PTS, just like 10000000 other things.
And don't expect a damage increase of 34%. CP work pretty weirdly with all other % multipliers and even the different CP stars themselves also fuction in that same weird way. For example Minor Slayer only gives you about 3.6% more damage, same goes for a Greatsword. So yeah, don't ever trust tooltips that have a % in them, no more.
We will see. If nothing is mentioned over the weeks the come, then we know what's up.
And yea that 34% is not what I should expect. But this shows, that we can expect a significant increase. Perhaps not 34%, but something close to it when we take the new scaling of magicka and stamina into account.
None of this matters now anymore, because we know that the base damage was merely decreased (what I didn't know when I made this post) but I feel like editing it now seems sneaky.
Edited by Dracane on January 19, 2018 8:14AMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.
Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.
It's just how ZoS rolls.
Weren't the Templar nerfs just a side effect of the way the new CP system calculations are done? Like with the sweeps and the beam? At least I thought that's that what it was, I could be wrong.Edited by Izaki on January 19, 2018 8:11AM@ Izaki #PCEU
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Haven't they always been very communicative when it comes to PTS bug threads ? According to the silence, we may expect it to be intended this way unnecessary.
Yes. The Devs tend to respond irregularly. Just because they seem silent does not mean they are not aware. The tests and numbers shown in this thread are great. Best we can do is continue the discussion, maybe quote those tests in other threads as well.ZOS will only stop nerfing sorcs when they reach the magicaDK 1.6 kind of unplayable.
Wut? MagDK was back in 1.6.
It became unplayable in 1.7 when IC came out.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remember this is sorc, they don't get nerfs, therefore this must be a bug.
Sorcs have received so many nerfs, can't even count anymore.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.
Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.
It's just how ZoS rolls.
Weren't the Templar nerfs just a side effect of the way the new CP system calculations are done? Like with the sweeps and the beam? At least I thought that's that what it was, I could be wrong.
Those weren't strictly nerfs. Just bugs/inconsistencies that have been around since Morrowind, fixed for other classes and still not yet fixed on the PTS.
Was more talking about things like when Zos proudly unveiled Major Mending as a Templar buff, even though its bonus healing (25%) was less than what the Templar old passive gave (30%). And now templars no longer even have Major Mending (or their old passive).
Or the Spear Shards "buff" which amounted to the loss of the stun/disorient.
So it does not surprise me at all what the OP reported: I'm very suspicious when Zos announces a buff for anything because they usually make some additional changes somewhere that amounts to a nerf.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe rename the title for something more visible and appealing to ZoS ?
like : [Bug report] Atronach new scaling is a HUGE damage NERF.1 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe rename the title for something more visible and appealing to ZoS ?
like : [Bug report] Atronach new scaling is a HUGE damage NERF.
The option that it was an intended nerf, is still as realistic as before. If not even more realistic.Auri-El is my lord,
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Yeah that's making me crazy, I will quit the game if they nerf sorc again in this meta where everyone using overperforming tank 1&S build...0 -
SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭If this discussion doesn't get a response from ZoS soon, we all know what this is and where this is going...
Edited by SirMewser on January 19, 2018 10:39PM0 -
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✭✭Alright, so what I calculated (hopefully close to the proper value). The atronach zap has scaling on PTS close to this:
stat*0.04995904995 + damage*0.52527075812
nothing abnormal here, uses both highest values, it has stat to damage ratio of 10.5
as for live. I have no clue and someone would have to get that one. I tried to calculate it the same way. Assuming it simply takes average of max stam + max magicka and then highest damage (well, to be sure used the same spell and weapon damage in case it takes average too) and the numbers did not add up at all.
stat*0.06435643564 + damage*0.36174496644
With great possibility low level scaling was factor in this, so if someone has clean slate sorc on max lvl, they can try to verify
//edit: actually it makes sense. Why would they give it ratio of 10.5 when they use the average of max stats. So if no low lvl scaling is affecting this, then yes, it was nerfed changed.Edited by SodanTok on January 20, 2018 12:42AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I guarantee you it's intended, when have they ever just straight up improved a sorc ability?5
