Was the Storm Atronach Ninja nerfed ?

Dracane · January 2018

The patchnotes really made it sound impressive: "CP scaling for the Atronach" "Scales with your highest ressource now"
On the live server, the Atronach is not affected by any of your CP. Not elemental expert, not thaumaturge. But in return, is affected by enemies defensive CPs such as elemental defender and thick skinned etc. Making it an Ultimate, that is completely underpowered in all CP areas.

On the PTS, the Atronach scales with elemental expert, thauma and spell erosion. Sounds too good to be true, right ? Because it is not exactly true !
I have adjusted my live server stats to be equal to those of my pts char, with very a very minimal difference of roughly 100 more magicka for the live server character.
I have 11% into elemental expert and 23% into thaumaturge. These both alone, should result in a 34% damage increase for the PTS Atronach and then we also have the new scaling.
Thus far, the Atronach scaled with a middle value of your stamina and magicka, now it scales with your highest stat purely. This value can't be determined by us, but I would expect it to be some sort of impact. (which appearently is not there)

Let's just check the numbers. This is my Live Server Atronach. Same setup, same CP/stats. This is a non crit tick.

Hits for 5133. Now if everything goes right, we expect AT THE VERY LEAST a 34% damage increase for the PTS Atronach, this is without taking into consideration this black scaling number that we do not know. I would expect a tick damage of 6878.

5679. Not even close to what we would expect. Either something is bugged here, or the Atronachs damage was so heavily nerfed, that it makes no difference even after these CP "buffs". This sounds to me as if I was baited with fake candy. These patchnotes makes me wanna scream, as it sounds so good. But the truth is, nothing will change. The Atronach will stay weak as it is.The Atronach does indeed scale with these offensive CP. But it seems like its base damage was adjusted to make the buffs obsolete.

At first I thought PTS dummies just have much higher resistances. But testing and comparing some other abilities, who dealt the same damage on live and pts, proved that this is exclusively an Atronach problem.

Masel · January 2018

Notes:

Damage Cps function additively. Thus, you will have a much lower damage increase than indicated by the % values in the cp trees. You write "at least 34%" which doesn't make sense mathematically. It will be less than that.

On top of that, scaling with your highest resource only means that it will be either equal to:

Option 1: a*Max Magicka+b*Spell Damage+c

Or

Option 2: a*Max Stamina+b*Weapon Damage+c

Where a is the scaling coefficient of the maximum resource, b the scaling coefficient of the damage and c the intercept of the y-axis.

So the function ingame will most likely look like:

IF maximum Magicka > maximum Stamina THEN use option 1, otherwise use option 2.

It works like that with flames of oblivion which is exactly the same in terms of wording and functionality.

I'd suggest using a new pts character without any gear, use it once without the cp, then apply cps one after the other and then You'll see the function behind that they maybe changed.

Aedaryl · January 2018

I'm going to test if cps affect the atronach damage, wiill post screen shots in few minutes. Atronach buff was THE feature with non interrupt pet cast time I was waiting, please zos don't destroy my dream

Fact : Dracane don't have better number on storm attronach on PTS, this is weird because attronach is now affected by cps and the scaling is now about the max resource and not about both.

Hypothese

Atronach both impact and channeled damage are not affected by CPs.

Tests :

Temoin :

The character used only have Deadric summuning skill line passives and "deadric pray" + "atronach, the cps are put in "Mighty, Shattering Blow and Physical weapon expert".

NB: I put cps in the blue tree on non affected atronach cps to have the same base magicka for all test, and evade error form max stats provide cps.

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - IMPACT : 1367:

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - CHANEL result 683 :

Test 1 : 100 cps in elemental expert, is damage affected by element expert ?
Result : Greater Strom atronach is correctly affected by elemental expert.

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - IMPACT : 1572 :

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - CHANNEL : 785 :

Is the damage increased by 15% ? Impact : 1367/100 x 15 + 1367 = 1572.05 YES. Channel : 683/100 x 15 + 683 = 785.45 YES

Test 2 : 100 cps in elemental expert and 100 cps in taumathurge : is channel affected by taumathurge ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but taumathurge increase greatly the damage of the channel.

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and taumathurge - CHANNEL : 956 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 785/100 x 25 + 785 = 981. Result is 956 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Taumathurge seems to affect the damage channel.

Test 3 : Is Master-at-Arms affect the impact damage ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but master-at-arms increase greatly the damage of the channel.

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and master-at-Arms - Impact : 1914 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 1572/100 x 25 + 1572 = 1965 Result is 1914 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Master-at-arms seems to affect the damage channel.

Conclusion :

Cps seems to affect correctly the greater strom atronach, the hypothesis is rejected, the dracane number differences between live and PTS may be explain by a max ressource bugged scaling.

Dracane · January 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

Notes:

Damage Cps function additively. Thus, you will have a much lower damage increase than indicated by the % values in the cp trees. You write "at least 34%" which doesn't make sense mathematically. It will be less than that.

On top of that, scaling with your highest resource only means that it will be either equal to:

Option 1: a*Max Magicka+b*Spell Damage+c

Or

Option 2: a*Max Stamina+b*Weapon Damage+c

Where a is the scaling coefficient of the maximum resource, b the scaling coefficient of the damage and c the intercept of the y-axis.

So the function ingame will most likely look like:

IF maximum Magicka > maximum Stamina THEN use option 1, otherwise use option 2.

It works like that with flames of oblivion which is exactly the same in terms of wording and functionality.

I'd suggest using a new pts character without any gear, use it once without the cp, then apply cps one after the other and then You'll see the function behind that they maybe changed.

This can't be quite right. Even if CP work this way, then I can still expect an increase that is above my results.
And the patchnotes clearly stated, that the atronachs damage was an average of our magicka and stamina and that we can expect a damage increase if we are either a pure magicka or pure stamina build.

However, none of this seems to be the case.

Dracane · January 2018

Just tested something else, 100% proof for a stealth nerf. Don't know why I didn't do this earlier.
I just took all my PTS CP from elemental expert, erosion and thaumaturge. Which would result in the same circumstances from the live servers, where the Atronach gains no damage bonus from them. Instead I put them in other mage stars, to keep the same amount of magicka.

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4067 as opposed to 5133. Am I doing a big mistake here ? I don't think so. They just nerfed the Atronach and didn't even say it.

Dracane · January 2018

@Aedaryl You confuse me dear

The claim is not, that the Atronach does not scale with CP:
Indeed, he does not scale with them on the live server. But on the PTS, he scales with elemental expert, thaumaturge and spell erosion.

The issue here is, that his base damage without these, is almost 1,1k lower per tick than on the live server. Heavily implying either a bug, or a nerf that was not announced. And this ult is really the last in need of a nerf. Stationary and CCable, it should be strong in return (which it is not)

Dracane · January 2018

Aedaryl wrote: »

I'm going to test if cps affect the atronach damage, wiill post screen shots in few minutes. Atronach buff was THE feature with non interrupt pet cast time I was waiting, please zos don't destroy my dream

Fact : Dracane don't have better number on storm attronach on PTS, this is weird because attronach is not affect by cps and the scaling is now about the max resource and not about both.

Hypothese
Atronach both impact and channeled damage are not affected by CPs

Tests :

Temoin :
The character used only have Deadric summuning skill line passives and "deadric pray" + "atronach, the cps are put in "Mighty, Shattering Blow and Physical weapon expert".

NB: I put cps in the blue tree on non affected atronach cps to have the same base magicka for all test, and evade error form max stats provide cps.

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - IMPACT : 1367:

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - CHANEL result 683 :

Test 1 : 100 cps in elemental expert, is damage affected by element expert ?
Result : Greater Strom atronach is correctly affected by elemental expert.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - IMPACT : 1572 :

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - CHANNEL : 785 :

Is the damage increased by 15% ? Impact : 1367/100 x 15 + 1367 = 1572.05 YES. Channel : 683/100 x 15 + 683 = 785.45 YES

Test 2 : 100 cps in elemental expert and 100 cps in taumathurge : is channel affected by taumathurge ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but taumathurge increase greatly the damage of the channel.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and taumathurge - CHANNEL : 956 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 785/100 x 25 + 785 = 981. Result is 956 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Taumathurge seems to affect the damage channel.

Test 3 : Is Master-at-Arms affect the impact damage ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but master-at-arms increase greatly the damage of the channel.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and master-at-Arms - Impact : 1914 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 1572/100 x 25 + 1572 = 1965 Result is 1914 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Master-at-arms seems to affect the damage channel.

Conclusion :
Cps seems to affect correctly the greater strom atronach, the hypothesis is rejected, the dracane number differences between live and PTS may be explain by a max ressource bugged scaling.

Enough of this. Is my english really that bad ? I'm sure, I speak clearly and easily understandable. You missed the entire point of my post. I know that people always misunderstand me, but this post was more than clear.

Please read my posts again and then you will know what I'm talking about.
I can tell you with 1 single sentence why we observe, what we observe: The Atronachs base damage was greatly reduced. How about you test that before critizising me ? I have spent days observing this, not just 10 minutes.

Aedaryl · January 2018

Fact : : Dracane don't have better number on storm attronach on PTS, this is weird because attronach is now affected by cps and the scaling is now about the max resource and not about both. CPs seems to work, how about the scaling system ?

Hypothesis

The scaling system doesn't increase the damage based on your max ressource

Tests :

Temoin :

The base value we choose are a naked non cps no gear no passive no skill no attribute character, so with the base and equal magicka and stamina.

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character - IMPACT : 507 :

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character - Channel : 253 :

Test 1 : 64 points in magicka :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 64 attribute point in magicka - IMPACT : 961 :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 64 attribute point in magicka - Channel : 480 :

Test 2 : 32 points in magicka :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka - IMPACT : 734

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 62 attribute point in magicka - Channel : 367 :

Test 3 : 32 points in magicka and 31 points in stamina : the damage should be the same than before if it's scale on your maximum ressource.

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka and 31 in stamina - IMPACT : 734

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka and 31 in stamina - Channel : 367

Conclusion : The damage is calculated on the Max ressource.

Why dracane doesn't have better damage on PTS ? The new formla for calculating the damage based on your max ressource is A BIG NERF to the atronach.

The question for ZoS is : Is the BIG nerf to atronach by the new formla intended or a bug ? Is the Zenimax goal was to make the atronach cps based but with equal damage on live (so nerfing the scaling formula) or is the Zenimax goal is to buff the atronach (and so formula is bugged) ?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Alcast · January 2018

Do the other pets still do the same damage as on live?

Dracane · January 2018

@Alcast

Yes. The Twilight's damage still is not affected by any CP stars and so are the familiars and clannfears base attacks. The Familiars pulse scales properly.

Alcast · January 2018

Dracane wrote: »

@Alcast

Yes. The Twilight's damage still is not affected by any CP stars and so are the familiars and clannfears base attacks. The Familiars pulse scales properly.

They might have broken something when they changed this stuff here like it is described in the patch notes > "Scales with your highest ressource now". Might be that the Max Magicka dmg increase component on that attronarch is not working correctly anymore?

But not really a clue otherwise, maybe someone else can help. I will ask in my discord too, maybe someone knows or tested it too

Ahzek · January 2018

@Dracane

I just want to make this clear so no further misconceptions happen.
Aedarly was NOT disagreeing with you. In fact, the conclusion of his first post was agreeing with you that something else must have changed other than CP scaling.
He was just using a very scientific language with hypothesis on a validation principle to provide clear numbers.

Aedaryl · January 2018

Dracane wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

I'm going to test if cps affect the atronach damage, wiill post screen shots in few minutes. Atronach buff was THE feature with non interrupt pet cast time I was waiting, please zos don't destroy my dream

Fact : Dracane don't have better number on storm attronach on PTS, this is weird because attronach is not affect by cps and the scaling is now about the max resource and not about both.

Hypothese
Atronach both impact and channeled damage are not affected by CPs

Tests :

Temoin :
The character used only have Deadric summuning skill line passives and "deadric pray" + "atronach, the cps are put in "Mighty, Shattering Blow and Physical weapon expert".

NB: I put cps in the blue tree on non affected atronach cps to have the same base magicka for all test, and evade error form max stats provide cps.

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - IMPACT : 1367:

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - no cps that boost atro damage - CHANEL result 683 :

Test 1 : 100 cps in elemental expert, is damage affected by element expert ?
Result : Greater Strom atronach is correctly affected by elemental expert.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - IMPACT : 1572 :

Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert - CHANNEL : 785 :

Is the damage increased by 15% ? Impact : 1367/100 x 15 + 1367 = 1572.05 YES. Channel : 683/100 x 15 + 683 = 785.45 YES

Test 2 : 100 cps in elemental expert and 100 cps in taumathurge : is channel affected by taumathurge ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but taumathurge increase greatly the damage of the channel.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and taumathurge - CHANNEL : 956 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 785/100 x 25 + 785 = 981. Result is 956 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Taumathurge seems to affect the damage channel.

Test 3 : Is Master-at-Arms affect the impact damage ?
Result : The value isn't the same than elemental expert value + 25% (the formula should explain it) but master-at-arms increase greatly the damage of the channel.
Greater strom atronach - 100 in elemental expert and master-at-Arms - Impact : 1914 :

Is the damage increase by 25% ? 1572/100 x 25 + 1572 = 1965 Result is 1914 : the difference can be explain in the cps calculation, I used 2 different damage increase that probably not scale lineary. Master-at-arms seems to affect the damage channel.

Conclusion :
Cps seems to affect correctly the greater strom atronach, the hypothesis is rejected, the dracane number differences between live and PTS may be explain by a max ressource bugged scaling.

Enough of this. Is my english really that bad ? I'm sure, I speak clearly and easily understandable. You missed the entire point of my post. I know that people always misunderstand me, but this post was more than clear.

Please read my posts again and then you will know what I'm talking about.
I can tell you with 1 single sentence why we observe, what we observe: The Atronachs base damage was greatly reduced. How about you test that before critizising me ? I have spent days observing this, not just 10 minutes.

Keep calm please, when I'm editing I cannot see new message posted, so I coudn't read u. Read my 2 posts again, they are fully edited now.

2 things changed on the atronach, I tested both not because I don't trust you, but it will be more clear to ZOS if they have the proof cps a working and so the problem is on the formula. Take my 2 tests posts like additional data.

I suspect ZoS to up atro in a side with cps and nerf it the other side with scaling so the overall damage is more or less the same, in this way they finally made atro like others ultimates while don't taking balance decision on atronach.

I really hope the formula is bugged..

Dracane · January 2018

Aedaryl wrote: »

Keep calm please, when I'm editing I cannot see new message posted, so I coudn't read u.

2 things changed on the atronach, I tested both not because I don't trust you, but it will be more clear to ZOS if they have the proof cps a working and so the problem is on the formula. Take my 2 tests posts like a additional data.

I suspect ZoS to up atro in a side with cps and nerf it the other side with scaling so the overall damage is more or less the same, in this way they finally made atro like others ultimates while don't taking balance decision on atronach.

I really hope the formula is a bug.

This is what I'm afraid of. I don't feel like the Atronach deals too much damage on live and for how it works, it can use the implied changes. I never understood why they are afraid to buff the Atronach. This 40% damage bonus for the Atronach from daedric prey is also unnecessary imo, why not give him the same 55% ? He sure can use this.

See, just like the Twilight and the Familiar, the Atronach means something to me. I consider him my child too

How is a mother supposed to sleep like that. I have nobody I can rely on but my loyal Daedra. And this is no RP, I am serious.

Alcast wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Alcast

Yes. The Twilight's damage still is not affected by any CP stars and so are the familiars and clannfears base attacks. The Familiars pulse scales properly.

They might have broken something when they changed this stuff here like it is described in the patch notes > "Scales with your highest ressource now". Might be that the Max Magicka dmg increase component on that attronarch is not working correctly anymore?

But not really a clue otherwise, maybe someone else can help. I will ask in my discord too, maybe someone knows or tested it too

I don't understand anything about this scaling thingy

it eludes me so to say.
I'm very confused after all these changes and hope, that they have merely messed something up by changing the scaling.

Minalan · January 2018

It might just not use thaum

Aedaryl · January 2018

Minalan wrote: »

It might just not use thaum

False I proove it with tests.

@Dracane I read the natch potes again :

"The Atronach summoned by this ability and its morphs now inherit your damage done bonuses, such as Major and Minor Berserk or the Elemental Expert Champion passive. The Atronach now also uses the highest of your Magicka or Stamina-based stats, instead of using an average of your Magicka and Stamina-based stats. This will result in higher damage done for Magicka or Stamina builds, but may result in less damage done for hybrid builds."

It can only be a bug, they clearly say we should have better damage.

Dracane · January 2018

Aedaryl wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

It might just not use thaum

False I proove it with tests.

@Dracane I read the natch potes again :

"The Atronach summoned by this ability and its morphs now inherit your damage done bonuses, such as Major and Minor Berserk or the Elemental Expert Champion passive. The Atronach now also uses the highest of your Magicka or Stamina-based stats, instead of using an average of your Magicka and Stamina-based stats. This will result in higher damage done for Magicka or Stamina builds, but may result in less damage done for hybrid builds."

It can only be a bug, they clearly say we should have better damage.

Definately. No matter what, the damage must be significanlty higher. Elemental expert, thaumaturge (whether intended or not) and this anonymous scaling: The damage must be noticeable.

CP aren't even the issue here. As shown in one of my pictures, his base damage has been greatly reduced. This is why we are getting those results. The CP from said CP stars can make up for the difference. But why change these things in the first place, when it results in status Quo, almost.

SodanTok · January 2018

It scales with CP properly, but there is something nerfed.

I have 1k more stamina on live than on PTS, but I have the same CP allocation (basically just put points away from thaum to physical oriented - which to my knowledge stuff like phys penetration should have no impact), totally naked, no racial passives on PTS, but khajiit with all passives on live (which again is just regen and weapon crit). All sorc passives on both of them. No other passive from others trees should have impact as far as I am aware.

Yet it deals around 800 damager, while on PTS is 500. Thats too big of difference to be explained by having 1k more stamina on live (more so when middle value is used, not max)

Zer0oo · January 2018

Mmmh it really seem the non crit hits from the atro are hitting harder on live than on pts. (Assuming he doesn't get buffed with cp on live since i did not bother to mimic the cps)

Dracane · January 2018

SodanTok wrote: »

It scales with CP properly, but there is something nerfed.

I have 1k more stamina on live than on PTS, but I have the same CP allocation (basically just put points away from thaum to physical oriented - which to my knowledge stuff like phys penetration should have no impact), totally naked, no racial passives on PTS, but khajiit with all passives on live (which again is just regen and weapon crit). All sorc passives on both of them. No other passive from others trees should have impact as far as I am aware.

Yet it deals around 800 damager, while on PTS is 500. Thats too big of difference to be explained by having 1k more stamina on live (more so when middle value is used, not max)

This proves, that Stamina suffers the same issue. It looks like the scaling has been messed up.
It seems like the scaling was unintentionally decreased, rather than increased.

Joy_Division · January 2018

Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.

Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.

It's just how ZoS rolls.

Dracane · January 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.

Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.

It's just how ZoS rolls.

Joyston

I didn't want to say it, because I don't want to insult anyone.
But yes, unannounced nerfs are scarily common

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Dracane wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

It scales with CP properly, but there is something nerfed.

I have 1k more stamina on live than on PTS, but I have the same CP allocation (basically just put points away from thaum to physical oriented - which to my knowledge stuff like phys penetration should have no impact), totally naked, no racial passives on PTS, but khajiit with all passives on live (which again is just regen and weapon crit). All sorc passives on both of them. No other passive from others trees should have impact as far as I am aware.

Yet it deals around 800 damager, while on PTS is 500. Thats too big of difference to be explained by having 1k more stamina on live (more so when middle value is used, not max)

This proves, that Stamina suffers the same issue. It looks like the scaling has been messed up.
It seems like the scaling was unintentionally decreased, rather than increased.

This is.... not good.

ElFonz0 · January 2018

I noticed that when picking between Greater and Charged, Greater no longer says that it increases duration, damage, and health. It only says increases duration and health. That's likely the source of the reduced damage. Unfortunately,

If you have an addon that lets you compare the two morphs side by side, I found that the tool tip values for the Storm Atro's basic attack were the same for both
Picture to show what I'm talking about

Dracane · January 2018

ElFonz0 wrote: »

I noticed that when picking between Greater and Charged, Greater no longer says that it increases duration, damage, and health. It only says increases duration and health. That's likely the source of the reduced damage. Unfortunately,

If you have an addon that lets you compare the two morphs side by side, I found that the tool tip values for the Storm Atro's basic attack were the same for both
Picture to show what I'm talking about

I have tested that actually. The greater Atronach lasts 28 seconds and deals (if I remeber correctly ) roughly 1,8k more max per tick.

I think I have Screenshots.

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The gap between both morphs was astronomical. Now it's a little more even. For total single target damage, the greater Atronach is still far better and since the charged Atronachs aoe is only 6 meters, I don't think anyone will slot this for AoE encounters, for 3 tickling lightning strikes over the cause of 25 seconds.

Interesting though, I haven't noticed the damage per second on the tooltip, must be new. In any case, it's misleading then. It's also strange that in my tests, the charged Atronachs arrival dealt a little more damage.

Minno · January 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Welcome to what Templars have been going through for years.

Patch notes indicate a buff. ZoS implements an undocumented nerf to counterbalance said buff.

It's just how ZoS rolls.

It's now a feature, till a year later it's a bug after 20 threads showing its not working, that will get fixed but then the channel won't work at all and has messy targeting cones that make the ability miss everytime the player moves their camera.

Subversus · January 2018

Aedaryl wrote: »

Fact : : Dracane don't have better number on storm attronach on PTS, this is weird because attronach is now affected by cps and the scaling is now about the max resource and not about both. CPs seems to work, how about the scaling system ?

Hypothesis

The scaling system doesn't increase the damage based on your max ressource

Tests :

Temoin :

The base value we choose are a naked non cps no gear no passive no skill no attribute character, so with the base and equal magicka and stamina.

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character - IMPACT : 507 :

Base damage- Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character - Channel : 253 :

Test 1 : 64 points in magicka :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 64 attribute point in magicka - IMPACT : 961 :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 64 attribute point in magicka - Channel : 480 :

Test 2 : 32 points in magicka :

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka - IMPACT : 734

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 62 attribute point in magicka - Channel : 367 :

Test 3 : 32 points in magicka and 31 points in stamina : the damage should be the same than before if it's scale on your maximum ressource.

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka and 31 in stamina - IMPACT : 734

Greater strom atronach - totaly naked character with 32 attribute point in magicka and 31 in stamina - Channel : 367

Conclusion : The damage is calculated on the Max ressource.

Why dracane doesn't have better damage on PTS ? The new formla for calculating the damage based on your max ressource is A BIG NERF to the atronach.

The question for ZoS is : Is the BIG nerf to atronach by the new formla intended or a bug ? Is the Zenimax goal was to make the atronach cps based but with equal damage on live (so nerfing the scaling formula) or is the Zenimax goal is to buff the atronach (and so formula is bugged) ?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

LMAO

I was wrong about the other part, I take it back ...

Waffennacht · January 2018

They love doing this. They also say half truths.

"Shuffle is working as intended" leaving out "cheat engine is using shuffle to dodge more than it should"

"We made Ato scale better" leaving out "we nerfed the base damage"

Etc

Vaoh · January 2018

I thought that as a Sorc I would finally get to use a class-based Ult in a trial -_- rip

Aedaryl · January 2018

What ZoS is doing, they could at least respond to us, we even gave them data and screens

Zer0oo · January 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

I thought that as a Sorc I would finally get to use a class-based Ult in a trial -_- rip

It is still a single target ulti and it is a pet (can get cced and dies) which limit it usefulness in trials.