Stamina Sorc open world builds? Whats the "meta"?
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ill look into it tonight again and see what i can do
I find stam sorc dont really have a sets that is obvious choice2 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..1 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
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Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.
Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.
holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!
Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.
7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.
beside u are true about 7th legion...
how do u want to use trollking when health reagen gets reduced by 75% in vamp stage 4?? that orc passive doesent make it up
orc+ trollking without vampire is a way better
You stay at stage 3, not at 4. You don't need stage 4 for a stam sorc. You also take the Unnatural resistance passive from the vampire tree. Orc also gives you 20% more hp reg. All those combined give you 3k health regen with troll king AND undeath passive, which is really invaluable when you have a 25k hp build that has constant self heals.
Next time try not to talk about stuff you don't understand only to have someone else teach you game mechanics.
oh be my teacher please ... lol
stage 3 are still 50% reduction i asume and im still verry sure without vampire this works a way better.
undead passive is nice.. true here.. but since in cryo flying so much fire dmg arround i think the effect is almost negated by the 25% more fire dmg taken of vampire
/e. try to stay productive and dont play the gran teacher here if your arguments are not proven by numbers
You really have no clue what you're talking about do you? You're making a fool out of yourself.0 -
gabormezo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?1 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.2 -
Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Here is what I've been using on my stam sorc werewolf.
Troll king
Shackelbreaker
Salvation
5-1-1 orc Heavy
I use this with trifood.
Survivable and durable while in human form. Utilizing Sorc buffs to go Bazerker Werewolf form. Soon as the buffs drop be prepared to revert to human, and build back up the wolf form. This centers your play around using werewolf like a regular Ultimate at the combo of sorc passives and Salvation brings the ult cost down.
Some notes:
-Two hander on the front bar with overload (extra slots, and fun lightning snowballs when you have extra ult to spare and dont want to wolf out yet)
-DW on backbar with werewolf for greatest offensive potential, though you could use SB for more survivability.
-I've messed around with the damage sheild weapon glyph on an infused weapon for werewolf form. Pretty interesting, as you have about a 2 second cool down it acts as a barrier against would be big crit damage.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@del9 the math says you lose a few % damage from ritual, but you can use shattering blows and gain damage on damage shields, plus you gain 10% on off balance opponents. It’ll lower DPS parses, but it increases pvp burst.
I think shields are currently purging off balance on cast though so you lose that 10% damage on damage shield opponents. That’s why I suggest some points in shattering to recoup the lost damage
@Lexxypwns Only thing I know is that an enemy using shields are immune to status effects (which is the easiest way to proc off-balance if you ask me). Would be interesting to see if the purge-theory is true
In my opinion you shouldn´t be immune to status effects just because you use a shield.
Tactician is the most reliable way to proc off balance since it has no cooldown and theoretical 100% uptime but you’re right about the shield issue, since I’m pretty sure it does purge. At present if an mDK sets you off balance, procs power lash and you then shield up they’ll sometimes get locked out of using lash completely since you “purge” the off balance and then the game doesn’t revert back to regular whip. Something @Passifest pointed out in a thread somewhere
Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.
Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.
holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!
Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.
7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.
Really? A ton of builds using it, seems to be functioning fairly well, super tanky on the backbar. I get the appeal of truth since it’s controllable. I’ll try it if I can get around to farming. I do like the heal.
Yes, the appeal of 7th is no cooldown on the heal. To maximize this you need it on both bars. If it’s only on one bar you have a 5 second offensive window before the proc expires. It’s literally one of the worst single bar sets in the game and only becomes good when you can keep the damage proc’ed and also get as many of those heals as possible. Damage options to pair with 7th: Truth, Alchemist, Powerful Assault. Sustain/Utility options to pair with 7th(these all result in low damage unless you can run 3x damage glyphs and an offensive mundus): Cowards, WW hide, Eternal Hunt, livewire(super mediocre).Edited by Lexxypwns on January 16, 2018 6:25PM0 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
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AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
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Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭What would be a good build if I wanted to focus on putting out Negates? And also be tanky?0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
Maybe people would think about it differently, if they finally reliazed hp regen debuff is 0% at stage 2, 25% at stage 3 and 50% at stage 4.
Not that I like to defend vampirism, I dislike it in medium because of dawnbreaker and magDK.Edited by SodanTok on January 16, 2018 6:52PM2 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
Maybe people would think about it differently, if they finally reliazed hp regen debuff is 0% at stage 2, 25% at stage 3 and 50% at stage 4.
Not that I like to defend vampirism, I dislike it in medium because of dawnbreaker and magDK.
Unless they changed it, it is still..
While you have Vampirism stage 1:
0% Flame Damage taken, 0% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 0% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirsim stage 2:
15% Flame Damage taken, 7% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 25% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 3:
20% Flame Damage taken, 14% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 50% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 4:
25% Flame Damage taken, 21% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 75% Health Recovery reductionEdited by AAbrigo on January 16, 2018 6:55PM0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »What would be a good build if I wanted to focus on putting out Negates? And also be tanky?
Dragon akiviri, werewolf hide, bloodspawn could work..Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
Maybe people would think about it differently, if they finally reliazed hp regen debuff is 0% at stage 2, 25% at stage 3 and 50% at stage 4.
Not that I like to defend vampirism, I dislike it in medium because of dawnbreaker and magDK.
Unless they changed it, it is still..
While you have Vampirism stage 1:
0% Flame Damage taken, 0% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 0% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirsim stage 2:
15% Flame Damage taken, 7% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 25% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 3:
20% Flame Damage taken, 14% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 50% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 4:
25% Flame Damage taken, 21% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 75% Health Recovery reduction
Yes, but there is this handy passive on that same tree that reduces it by 25%
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AAbrigo✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »What would be a good build if I wanted to focus on putting out Negates? And also be tanky?
Dragon akiviri, werewolf hide, bloodspawn could work..Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
Maybe people would think about it differently, if they finally reliazed hp regen debuff is 0% at stage 2, 25% at stage 3 and 50% at stage 4.
Not that I like to defend vampirism, I dislike it in medium because of dawnbreaker and magDK.
Unless they changed it, it is still..
While you have Vampirism stage 1:
0% Flame Damage taken, 0% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 0% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirsim stage 2:
15% Flame Damage taken, 7% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 25% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 3:
20% Flame Damage taken, 14% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 50% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 4:
25% Flame Damage taken, 21% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 75% Health Recovery reduction
Yes, but there is this handy passive on that same tree that reduces it by 25%
Yeah you are right.. But still dont think it is worth it with 25%.. But maybe it should be tested
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »What would be a good build if I wanted to focus on putting out Negates? And also be tanky?
Dragon akiviri, werewolf hide, bloodspawn could work..Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
Maybe people would think about it differently, if they finally reliazed hp regen debuff is 0% at stage 2, 25% at stage 3 and 50% at stage 4.
Not that I like to defend vampirism, I dislike it in medium because of dawnbreaker and magDK.
Unless they changed it, it is still..
While you have Vampirism stage 1:
0% Flame Damage taken, 0% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 0% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirsim stage 2:
15% Flame Damage taken, 7% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 25% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 3:
20% Flame Damage taken, 14% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 50% Health Recovery reduction
While you have Vampirism stage 4:
25% Flame Damage taken, 21% Vampire Ability cost reduction, 75% Health Recovery reduction
Yes, but there is this handy passive on that same tree that reduces it by 25%
Yeah you are right.. But still dont think it is worth it with 25%.. But maybe it should be tested
Well think of it differently, would you say TK is bad set if your race has no % health recovery? Or overall bad set if you have no %? You are stage 3 vampire with -25%, you have +4% for each heavy armor, you have 0-15% from CP, you have 20% from healt pots and on top of that maybe some race with 10/20% bonus.0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@del9 the math says you lose a few % damage from ritual, but you can use shattering blows and gain damage on damage shields, plus you gain 10% on off balance opponents. It’ll lower DPS parses, but it increases pvp burst.
I think shields are currently purging off balance on cast though so you lose that 10% damage on damage shield opponents. That’s why I suggest some points in shattering to recoup the lost damage
@Lexxypwns Only thing I know is that an enemy using shields are immune to status effects (which is the easiest way to proc off-balance if you ask me). Would be interesting to see if the purge-theory is true
In my opinion you shouldn´t be immune to status effects just because you use a shield.
Tactician is the most reliable way to proc off balance since it has no cooldown and theoretical 100% uptime but you’re right about the shield issue, since I’m pretty sure it does purge. At present if an mDK sets you off balance, procs power lash and you then shield up they’ll sometimes get locked out of using lash completely since you “purge” the off balance and then the game doesn’t revert back to regular whip. Something Passifest pointed out in a thread somewhere.
Unless addons lie, shielding does not purge or make you immune to off balance. Well, definitely not immune, because that does not require addon to see in combat, but debuff trackers could lie I guess which makes tracking it afterwards worse.
Same goes for the status effects (poisoned, burning, ..) where shields make you immune to those, but wont purge them if applied after.Edited by SodanTok on January 16, 2018 7:14PM0 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
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Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????0 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
????
Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????
No. The question is this: What is it worth?
20% more flame dmg? Nah
25% less hp regen? Nah
20% more dmg from rearming trap and dawnbreaker? Nah
10% more magic and stamina recovery and undeath passive? Well those dont add up for the three questions above.
So it is still a no in my book.0 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
????
Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????
No. The question is this: What is it worth?
20% more flame dmg? Nah
25% less hp regen? Nah
20% more dmg from rearming trap and dawnbreaker? Nah
10% more magic and stamina recovery and undeath passive? Well those dont add up for the three questions above.
So it is still a no in my book.
Why do you keep bringing up the hp regen? It's non existent if you build against it, I even taught you how to do that. The recovery is practically useless in fights anyway, unless you stack absurdly high recovery to begin with. The only real downside is the fire damage, not the fighters guild abilities. Those aren't spammable and therefore can be relatively easy to mitigate.
I'm not running vamp myself since I exclusively play mag nowadays and it's obviously a nono there due to 13k leaps on my light armor builds. On stam however, it's another story completely.
I'm done trying to teach you how to build a character; take whatever you want from this conversation. I simply pointed out what's best in slot. It may be a "no no in your books", but that doesn't make it any less best in slot.0 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
????
Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????
No. The question is this: What is it worth?
20% more flame dmg? Nah
25% less hp regen? Nah
20% more dmg from rearming trap and dawnbreaker? Nah
10% more magic and stamina recovery and undeath passive? Well those dont add up for the three questions above.
So it is still a no in my book.
Why do you keep bringing up the hp regen? It's non existent if you build against it, I even taught you how to do that. The recovery is practically useless in fights anyway, unless you stack absurdly high recovery to begin with. The only real downside is the fire damage, not the fighters guild abilities. Those aren't spammable and therefore can be relatively easy to mitigate.
I'm not running vamp myself since I exclusively play mag nowadays and it's obviously a nono there due to 13k leaps on my light armor builds. On stam however, it's another story completely.
I'm done trying to teach you how to build a character; take whatever you want from this conversation. I simply pointed out what's best in slot. It may be a "no no in your books", but that doesn't make it any less best in slot.
First of.. I main a stam sorc and played it so many hours I can almost play it blindfolded..
Second.. If you knew just a tiny bit of how stam sorcs works, you would know that troll king is the best in slot monster set, no doubt.. That's why I keep mention it and ofcourse you can play without, but aint worth it..
Third.. You say fighters guild aint a downside? Ehm Dawnbreaker is probably the most used ultimate in the game..
Stamplars, Stamdens and Stamsorc burst with that..
Some stamblades, magplars and even dw magsorcs use it too for burst..
Fourth.. You still havent told what's worth being a vampire for a stam sorc? You dont even play one and are trying to teach me what is best in slot?
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grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
????
Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????
No. The question is this: What is it worth?
20% more flame dmg? Nah
25% less hp regen? Nah
20% more dmg from rearming trap and dawnbreaker? Nah
10% more magic and stamina recovery and undeath passive? Well those dont add up for the three questions above.
So it is still a no in my book.
Why do you keep bringing up the hp regen? It's non existent if you build against it, I even taught you how to do that. The recovery is practically useless in fights anyway, unless you stack absurdly high recovery to begin with. The only real downside is the fire damage, not the fighters guild abilities. Those aren't spammable and therefore can be relatively easy to mitigate.
I'm not running vamp myself since I exclusively play mag nowadays and it's obviously a nono there due to 13k leaps on my light armor builds. On stam however, it's another story completely.
I'm done trying to teach you how to build a character; take whatever you want from this conversation. I simply pointed out what's best in slot. It may be a "no no in your books", but that doesn't make it any less best in slot.
Dude you already admitted to not even playing one but "taking your friends advice". Vampirism is definitely not "best on slot" on stam builds.3 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »Everybody talking like 7Th is the best set..
Tried it out and dont like the small 5 secs proc and ridiculous healing.. Yeah Yeah I know there no CD, but unless you zerg hard or 1v4+ who all got dots on you, then IMO it aint that good.
But probably depends on the playing style..
What do you suggest instead?
Truth > legion as a backbar set for any stamina character that uses major evasion.
Medium fortified brass with troll king and truth as a backbar option is a crazy setup for a stam sorc.
2h front and sword/board backbar.
Might be. I don't really play that much stam, let alone stam sorc; most of my assumptions are made based on what my friends say.
For example the vamp + TK + orc thing came from a friend of mine who swears by it. Since he's considered one of the best stam players on my server I kinda take his word for granted.
Believe me when I say, that Vampire and the 50% hp regen debuff in stage 3 is really *** compared to a non vampire setup.
It would only be an option for stamblades because of the dark stalker passive and ability to cloak away.
Bet he is to lazy to cure the vampirism and then say that just to defend it.
????
Potions give you 20%
Orc gives you 20%
1 heavy armor gives you 4%
Vampire is -25%
????
What's not worth it????
No. The question is this: What is it worth?
20% more flame dmg? Nah
25% less hp regen? Nah
20% more dmg from rearming trap and dawnbreaker? Nah
10% more magic and stamina recovery and undeath passive? Well those dont add up for the three questions above.
So it is still a no in my book.
Why do you keep bringing up the hp regen? It's non existent if you build against it, I even taught you how to do that. The recovery is practically useless in fights anyway, unless you stack absurdly high recovery to begin with. The only real downside is the fire damage, not the fighters guild abilities. Those aren't spammable and therefore can be relatively easy to mitigate.
I'm not running vamp myself since I exclusively play mag nowadays and it's obviously a nono there due to 13k leaps on my light armor builds. On stam however, it's another story completely.
I'm done trying to teach you how to build a character; take whatever you want from this conversation. I simply pointed out what's best in slot. It may be a "no no in your books", but that doesn't make it any less best in slot.
Dude you already admitted to not even playing one but "taking your friends advice". Vampirism is definitely not "best on slot" on stam builds.
If you say so. I gave you advice, you're free to follow your heart though. I know for a fact I'm right on this, but it's pointless to try to argue with you two randos.0 -
jroc699_burr✭✭can someone please tell me how to proc truth with a stam sorc i kno uts pretty easy with stam nb but stam sorc with heavy armor no shuffle? or do i switch to medium but how do i keep the up time on truth ?0
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Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭jroc699_burr wrote: »can someone please tell me how to proc truth with a stam sorc i kno uts pretty easy with stam nb but stam sorc with heavy armor no shuffle? or do i switch to medium but how do i keep the up time on truth ?
You need to get the tactician passive from cp.0 -
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✭✭jroc699_burr wrote: »how can i keeep my dodge chance high with out shuffle ? truth is heavy armor
Well, maybe someone would disagree, but I would not use truth with heavy armor stam sorc (or really anything that has no other source of off balance)
but you can still wear it backbar and dodge every 10s on it even in heavy armor, still good uptime and barely costs anythingEdited by SodanTok on January 17, 2018 5:09PM0 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭jroc699_burr wrote: »how can i keeep my dodge chance high with out shuffle ? truth is heavy armor
Truth really only works with shuffle medium builds or with nightblades using blur.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭jroc699_burr wrote: »how can i keeep my dodge chance high with out shuffle ? truth is heavy armor
Truth really only works with shuffle medium builds or with nightblades using blur.
That’s silly. Truth is hands down the best back bar stamina damage set available even for heavy builds. You don’t need 100% uptime on the damage when paired with another damage set. That means you can always trigger it back bar before your offensive window and it’s got a long enough proc that it fits into most siatuatuons. The appeal isn’t having 100% uptime on the damage, but rather delivering the big damage on demand with no cooldown, whenever you’d like.5 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭jroc699_burr wrote: »how can i keeep my dodge chance high with out shuffle ? truth is heavy armor
Truth really only works with shuffle medium builds or with nightblades using blur.
That’s silly. Truth is hands down the best back bar stamina damage set available even for heavy builds. You don’t need 100% uptime on the damage when paired with another damage set. That means you can always trigger it back bar before your offensive window and it’s got a long enough proc that it fits into most siatuatuons. The appeal isn’t having 100% uptime on the damage, but rather delivering the big damage on demand with no cooldown, whenever you’d like.
Never thought of it that way tbf. If you want damage on demand on the backbar as opposed to a 100% uptime then legion is just as good, innit?0