Stamina Sorc open world builds? Whats the "meta"?

lao · January 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey,

what do u guys run right now in open world?
So far what worked for me:

2h heavy builds

5x shackle
2x trollking
3x agility
2x trans SNB backbar
1x vsma/sanctum 2h
+golden food

Same with 7thegion

5heavy SNB

5x shackle
5x spriggan
2x trollking
1x vsma / sanctum back 2h
+golden food

What builds could I use for more DMG without lolsing too much regen (I play actually with 1k stam / 1k mag recovery) ?

I really like the wrothgar golden food, I dont need anything else in terms of regen with it.

Is the prisoners + 7th setup woth farming? I enjoy 2h mainbar more them SNB, but never really tried dw since I cant fit in a good stun, so maybe any1 have some advice here.

Of course, I also Trier the clever Alchemist setuos, but I dont like relying too much on drinking potions. I also considered truth, but since I play no CP most of the tine I cant see myself proccing it reliable.

So how do u guys on stam sorc this patch?

you can do 2h/snb and run prisoner only on back bar with asylum 2h on front bar. given the fact that a stam sorcs strongest point is mobility and 7th+prisoners gives alot of dmg+healing + the best mobility id say it is probably the strongest build you can do right now. TK is absolute must have ofc.

BaylorCorvette · January 2018

I've been experimenting lately with a new build that works fantastic when I'm running in a small group of 3-4 people. I've also solo'd this build too and it works ok. Only down side is your burst damage is really only from DB. But I've been running five piece 7th legion, three piece agility and front bar is Master's dual wield, with Asylum 2H back bar. This set up builds upon the play style I like and what StamSorc excels at, and that is a "disruption" build. Stampede in to gap close and put snare, then streak through (if multiple targets), apply your bleed, heavy attack into a DB. Repeat. If you're with a small group your team can deal the damage while you're getting the attention, which is why I like 7th Legion. I used to run this build with S+B to apply debuffs, but once I got the Masters dual wield weapons I wanted to test them out and so far I'm really impressed. The bleed can put a ton of pressure on someone assuming it isn't a Templar.

Subversus · January 2018

AAbrigo wrote: »

Drop heavy shackle and put on medium fortified brass.. with s/b on back you would get close to 33k resistance..

Tried many options and that build is crzy

If you're talking about the setup I mentioned, which is shackle/truth/TK then the setup is 5/2 medium, not heavy. Also medium brass + truth means 0 mag sustain, good luck playing sorc open world with 0 mag sustain.

Vapirko · January 2018

I really like 7th and bone pirate tatters in heavy. 7th on SB backbar and asylum 2H front. You don’t really need TK in heavy so it leave you free to play around with sets and combos.

Lexxypwns · January 2018

Subversus wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

Drop heavy shackle and put on medium fortified brass.. with s/b on back you would get close to 33k resistance..

Tried many options and that build is crzy

If you're talking about the setup I mentioned, which is shackle/truth/TK then the setup is 5/2 medium, not heavy. Also medium brass + truth means 0 mag sustain, good luck playing sorc open world with 0 mag sustain.

Plus, there’s no realistic situation where brass outperforms Impreg

Dreth · January 2018

Bone pirate and brass is my go to for both my stam sorc and my stamblade. I hopped on the whole 7th legion train for a while and its too little damage, too low resists, and slow as all hell. The passives from medium are just too good to pass up compared to heavy. With brass I see no need to ever go back to heavy on a stamina character. The ONLY reason i would consider heavy on a stam sorc is health recovery (useless if vamp), and healing received, but the others are useless and every single passive pretty decent except for sneak reduction maybe. I go back and forth between SnB and DW front bar, 2H back. I might switch to DW/bow in the future though.

I just never saw the same value in crit resist stacking. I will take damage reduction from all sources any day over just crit with the number of damage sources I have coming at me in open world. I know we have had some people on here lately showing off their math skills with total damage mitigation, but in practice nothing has worked as well for me as brass has.

ChunkyCat · January 2018

2 medium troll king
5 seventh legion
3 automaton jewelry
2 automaton daggers (Nirn+defending)

Back bar, 2 seducer sword and board.

Go forth and conquer.

Subversus · January 2018

ChunkyCat wrote: »

2 medium troll king
5 seventh legion
3 automaton jewelry
2 automaton daggers (Nirn+defending)

Back bar, 2 seducer sword and board.

Go forth and conquer.

No medium for shuffle, no 2h for momentum or burst heal. I can bet my left nut that the setup you mentioned doesn't work in open world. You'd get snared into a grave before you can even say "magicka sustain".

Ocelot9x · January 2018

I tried 5 spriggan+5 prisoner+ slimecraw
The damage is incredible (+orc) but with 22k HP everyone can one shot you before having time to react.
But a more serious (and op) set up is
5 prisoners back bar
5 7th
Trollking

Morgul667 · January 2018

I run 2 selene + 5 shackle breaker heavy but dont know what to pair it with

Im wondering if automatons strength is the way to go ? or 7th legion ?

I dont feel like testing prisoners rag or brass, they dont seem to suit me

Im kind of stuck

Any nice idea to share ?

Ocelot9x · January 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

I run 2 selene + 5 shackle breaker heavy but dont know what to pair it with

Im wondering if automatons strength is the way to go ? or 7th legion ?

I dont feel like testing prisoners rag or brass, they dont seem to suit me

Im kind of stuck

Any nice idea to share ?

You can backbar 2jewelry of truth (robust) + sword n shield+ 1 piece armor

Edit: oh,shackle breaker, so I don't really know, you can go 7th jewelry but then you'll lose the robust trait

Torbschka · January 2018

Well, I tried the 7th + prisonet + TK setup and hands down, its pretty good for open world. I can run double stat food with it, which leaves me at 37k stam, 3500 wpn DMG - up to 4500 with glyph and 7th.

I can run full DMG, double stat bufffood on no CP, 0 sustain issues. Next patch when DD becomes uninterruptable I guess it will even be stringer.

Thx for every other advice,but for open world 1vX I dont see a better build.

gabormezo · January 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

Drop heavy shackle and put on medium fortified brass.. with s/b on back you would get close to 33k resistance..

Tried many options and that build is crzy

If you're talking about the setup I mentioned, which is shackle/truth/TK then the setup is 5/2 medium, not heavy. Also medium brass + truth means 0 mag sustain, good luck playing sorc open world with 0 mag sustain.

Plus, there’s no realistic situation where brass outperforms Impreg

According to the defensive set comparison thread, there is. If the attacker have less than 55% crit and lowish pen and crit damage modifier. Since almost everyone and their cat runs tanks nowadays, Brass might be the better choice. Esp. in BGs. Pariah could outperform Brass at 70% health and lower, but as Stamsorc you want to stay at full health because you want very high health return. I tried medium Brass with my Briar (still don't have 7th to try), DW front, SnB back. I didn't get killed in four subsequent BG matches, however my kill rate was not that good. But if you're dead, you do no damage, right?

I believe mag regen is not that important in this setup. You have resources for two streaks, then you can shuffle + run or shield up + vigor, then dark deal then fight back.

gabormezo · January 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I tried the 7th + prisonet + TK setup and hands down, its pretty good for open world. I can run double stat food with it, which leaves me at 37k stam, 3500 wpn DMG - up to 4500 with glyph and 7th.

I can run full DMG, double stat bufffood on no CP, 0 sustain issues. Next patch when DD becomes uninterruptable I guess it will even be stringer.

Thx for every other advice,but for open world 1vX I dont see a better build.

37K stam?

Torbschka · January 2018

gabormezo wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I tried the 7th + prisonet + TK setup and hands down, its pretty good for open world. I can run double stat food with it, which leaves me at 37k stam, 3500 wpn DMG - up to 4500 with glyph and 7th.

I can run full DMG, double stat bufffood on no CP, 0 sustain issues. Next patch when DD becomes uninterruptable I guess it will even be stringer.

Thx for every other advice,but for open world 1vX I dont see a better build.

37K stam?

Yes, well I use bound armor - guess I should have mentioned it.

37k stam + 26k health + 3,6k -4,5k wpn dmg and very good ressources - pretty solid.

I run surge, caltrops, trap etc. on overload bar and dont use pubcture, cut I dont think its strong if u are outnumbered, what Im usually are.

Kartalin · January 2018

In no-CP I've been trying out:

5 Mechanical Acuity, 5 Bone Pirate, 2 Blood Spawn with dual wield and a 2h Asylum Maul on other bar. 5 Medium 2 Heavy.

It requires a bit of bar swapping to operate but it has worked okay so far, I do need more practice with it.

Werewolf is just there for the recovery, could also double slot DBoS for the weapon damage boost. Crit surge heals with acuity are nice.

Qbiken · January 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@del9 the math says you lose a few % damage from ritual, but you can use shattering blows and gain damage on damage shields, plus you gain 10% on off balance opponents. It’ll lower DPS parses, but it increases pvp burst.

I think shields are currently purging off balance on cast though so you lose that 10% damage on damage shield opponents. That’s why I suggest some points in shattering to recoup the lost damage

@Lexxypwns Only thing I know is that an enemy using shields are immune to status effects (which is the easiest way to proc off-balance if you ask me). Would be interesting to see if the purge-theory is true

In my opinion you shouldn´t be immune to status effects just because you use a shield.

Trashs1 · January 2018

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Qbiken · January 2018

To OP regarding builds, this is what I´ve been using for about 3-4 months and I love it, not really BiS or META but I enjoy it:
Disclaimer: I didn´t created the build but got tip from some NA players who´s been using it for some time before me.

5 Prisoner:
Baffles me why it took so long for people like Kodi to realise the potential of this set. Synergises so well with stamsorc and their Dark Deal. I`m using 3 Jewellery (all weapon damage enchants), 1 Infused Sword (Berserk Enchant) and 1 Shield (Impenetrable).

5 Pelinial´s:
I´m a werewolf, so that´s the reason I use this set. Since I enjoy playing solo 99% of the time I PvP, Pelinial´s is a must have for solo werewolfs or otherwise your heals in werewolf form is just terrible. And werewolf + prisoner synergises really well. Great heals and when in need sprint a little to gain some magicka back and then heal back up. The issues in WW-form is the lack of snare-removal (which I hope ZOS will give WW´s in a close future) and defile + DoT builds.

Asylum 2hander (backbar):
No-brainer if you ask me, the ultimate regen on using 2hander execute is just too good not to use.

Monster Helmet:
Here you´ve a few options depending on your playstyle.
Troll King/Shadowrend/Mighty Chudan/Malubeth/Earthgore for a more tanky playstyle. In my opinion this is the "safe way" to play it. Personally I prefer Troll King and Shadowrend over the others

Molag Kena: For a more aggressive playstyle. Can reach really nice damage with Kena. Just don´t spam your WW-skills when it´s up, let the light attacks do the damage for you. Since we´re using Pelinial´s this will boost our heal an insane amount. Think I´ve hit 16-17k non-crit heals in WW form with this setup (which is basically 50-60% of my HP with this build)

Vapirko · January 2018

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

Trashs1 · January 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

To OP regarding builds, this is what I´ve been using for about 3-4 months and I love it, not really BiS or META but I enjoy it:
Disclaimer: I didn´t created the build but got tip from some NA players who´s been using it for some time before me.

5 Prisoner:
Baffles me why it took so long for people like Kodi to realise the potential of this set. Synergises so well with stamsorc and their Dark Deal. I`m using 3 Jewellery (all weapon damage enchants), 1 Infused Sword (Berserk Enchant) and 1 Shield (Impenetrable).

5 Pelinial´s:
I´m a werewolf, so that´s the reason I use this set. Since I enjoy playing solo 99% of the time I PvP, Pelinial´s is a must have for solo werewolfs or otherwise your heals in werewolf form is just terrible. And werewolf + prisoner synergises really well. Great heals and when in need sprint a little to gain some magicka back and then heal back up. The issues in WW-form is the lack of snare-removal (which I hope ZOS will give WW´s in a close future) and defile + DoT builds.

Asylum 2hander (backbar):
No-brainer if you ask me, the ultimate regen on using 2hander execute is just too good not to use.

Monster Helmet:
Here you´ve a few options depending on your playstyle.
Troll King/Shadowrend/Mighty Chudan/Malubeth/Earthgore for a more tanky playstyle. In my opinion this is the "safe way" to play it. Personally I prefer Troll King and Shadowrend over the others

Molag Kena: For a more aggressive playstyle. Can reach really nice damage with Kena. Just don´t spam your WW-skills when it´s up, let the light attacks do the damage for you. Since we´re using Pelinial´s this will boost our heal an insane amount. Think I´ve hit 16-17k non-crit heals in WW form with this setup (which is basically 50-60% of my HP with this build)

that build is kinda "for profis only" like every ww build out there. i dont recomend this to newer players

Subversus · January 2018

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

Qbiken · January 2018

Trashs1 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

To OP regarding builds, this is what I´ve been using for about 3-4 months and I love it, not really BiS or META but I enjoy it:
Disclaimer: I didn´t created the build but got tip from some NA players who´s been using it for some time before me.

5 Prisoner:
Baffles me why it took so long for people like Kodi to realise the potential of this set. Synergises so well with stamsorc and their Dark Deal. I`m using 3 Jewellery (all weapon damage enchants), 1 Infused Sword (Berserk Enchant) and 1 Shield (Impenetrable).

5 Pelinial´s:
I´m a werewolf, so that´s the reason I use this set. Since I enjoy playing solo 99% of the time I PvP, Pelinial´s is a must have for solo werewolfs or otherwise your heals in werewolf form is just terrible. And werewolf + prisoner synergises really well. Great heals and when in need sprint a little to gain some magicka back and then heal back up. The issues in WW-form is the lack of snare-removal (which I hope ZOS will give WW´s in a close future) and defile + DoT builds.

Asylum 2hander (backbar):
No-brainer if you ask me, the ultimate regen on using 2hander execute is just too good not to use.

Monster Helmet:
Here you´ve a few options depending on your playstyle.
Troll King/Shadowrend/Mighty Chudan/Malubeth/Earthgore for a more tanky playstyle. In my opinion this is the "safe way" to play it. Personally I prefer Troll King and Shadowrend over the others

Molag Kena: For a more aggressive playstyle. Can reach really nice damage with Kena. Just don´t spam your WW-skills when it´s up, let the light attacks do the damage for you. Since we´re using Pelinial´s this will boost our heal an insane amount. Think I´ve hit 16-17k non-crit heals in WW form with this setup (which is basically 50-60% of my HP with this build)

that build is kinda "for profis only" like every ww build out there. i dont recomend this to newer players

Disclaimer #2: = Anything with WW is hard to play........xD

Trashs1 · January 2018

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

beside u are true about 7th legion...

how do u want to use trollking when health reagen gets reduced by 75% in vamp stage 4?? that orc passive doesent make it up

orc+ trollking without vampire is a way better

Subversus · January 2018

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

beside u are true about 7th legion...

how do u want to use trollking when health reagen gets reduced by 75% in vamp stage 4?? that orc passive doesent make it up

orc+ trollking without vampire is a way better

You stay at stage 3, not at 4. You don't need stage 4 for a stam sorc. You also take the Unnatural resistance passive from the vampire tree. Orc also gives you 20% more hp reg. All those combined give you 3k health regen with troll king AND undeath passive, which is really invaluable when you have a 25k hp build that has constant self heals.

Next time try not to talk about stuff you don't understand only to have someone else teach you game mechanics.

Trashs1 · January 2018

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

beside u are true about 7th legion...

how do u want to use trollking when health reagen gets reduced by 75% in vamp stage 4?? that orc passive doesent make it up

orc+ trollking without vampire is a way better

You stay at stage 3, not at 4. You don't need stage 4 for a stam sorc. You also take the Unnatural resistance passive from the vampire tree. Orc also gives you 20% more hp reg. All those combined give you 3k health regen with troll king AND undeath passive, which is really invaluable when you have a 25k hp build that has constant self heals.

Next time try not to talk about stuff you don't understand only to have someone else teach you game mechanics.

oh be my teacher please ... lol

stage 3 are still 50% reduction i asume and im still verry sure without vampire this works a way better.

undead passive is nice.. true here.. but since in cryo flying so much fire dmg arround i think the effect is almost negated by the 25% more fire dmg taken of vampire

/e. try to stay productive and dont play the gran teacher here if your arguments are not proven by numbers

Morgul667 · January 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

Thanks will look at what I have in stock but I dont know I dont "feel" it yet , may give it a try though

understand for asylum 2h

gabormezo · January 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

gabormezo wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I tried the 7th + prisonet + TK setup and hands down, its pretty good for open world. I can run double stat food with it, which leaves me at 37k stam, 3500 wpn DMG - up to 4500 with glyph and 7th.

I can run full DMG, double stat bufffood on no CP, 0 sustain issues. Next patch when DD becomes uninterruptable I guess it will even be stringer.

Thx for every other advice,but for open world 1vX I dont see a better build.

37K stam?

Yes, well I use bound armor - guess I should have mentioned it.

37k stam + 26k health + 3,6k -4,5k wpn dmg and very good ressources - pretty solid.

I run surge, caltrops, trap etc. on overload bar and dont use pubcture, cut I dont think its strong if u are outnumbered, what Im usually are.

I cannot get used to use overload bar in a middle of combat situation.

SodanTok · January 2018

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

beside u are true about 7th legion...

how do u want to use trollking when health reagen gets reduced by 75% in vamp stage 4?? that orc passive doesent make it up

orc+ trollking without vampire is a way better

You stay at stage 3, not at 4. You don't need stage 4 for a stam sorc. You also take the Unnatural resistance passive from the vampire tree. Orc also gives you 20% more hp reg. All those combined give you 3k health regen with troll king AND undeath passive, which is really invaluable when you have a 25k hp build that has constant self heals.

Next time try not to talk about stuff you don't understand only to have someone else teach you game mechanics.

oh be my teacher please ... lol

stage 3 are still 50% reduction i asume and im still verry sure without vampire this works a way better.

undead passive is nice.. true here.. but since in cryo flying so much fire dmg arround i think the effect is almost negated by the 25% more fire dmg taken of vampire

/e. try to stay productive and dont play the gran teacher here if your arguments are not proven by numbers

With the vamp passive it is -25% at stage 3. It is imo always worth it to get at least +5% from CP when using TK. Most medium armor build will prob use at least 1 heavy piece which is +4%. Orc is +20%. Result? +4% health recovery.
But obv feel free to think having 29% health recovery is better than undeath for you, dont assume it is for everyone.

Vapirko · January 2018

Subversus wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Does truth jewelry only come in healthy or are there unique robust ones?

There´re a unique ring called "Foreman´s Ring" drops from first boss in Darkshade 2 if I remember it correclty

Yep! 2 robust 1 healthy is actually very good for pvp as well, especially since you're gonna be in medium and the hp will be on the lower side.

Edit: also, orc would be BiS for this setup as it buffs health rec. and as a vamp you need the buffs.

holy ***.. orc as vamp.... plz dont do such nonsense!

Orc as a vamp + TK is insanely strong. If you haven't tried it don't comment about it.

Vapirko wrote: »

@Morgul667 try dropping shackle and going 7th and bone pirate and use a few tri stat glyphs. 2pc 7th on SB and either asylum or vma 2H on front bar. It’s real good.

7th isn't a good backbar set. If you're gonna backbar something like that your best choice is truth.

Really? A ton of builds using it, seems to be functioning fairly well, super tanky on the backbar. I get the appeal of truth since it’s controllable. I’ll try it if I can get around to farming. I do like the heal.