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LIke u done with CP in bg-s, added, than removed on PTS now.
Do this - give us only random queue in next patch please.
LIke if players are in group they are not able to queue.
Or randomly come to different groups until match ends.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_Wrobel

Maybe if you git gud somebody will want to play with you? Dont put your baddiness here demanding ppl who bother to organize teams to be punished because nobody wants play with you.

Because you're so skilled, farming clueless pugs in BGs with a full premade. Very skilled gamplay right there. Get outta here lol

OP didnt ask to just didnt allow premades option to q but any size of the groups. 2-3 friends playing together is also something he sees as crime. Not anyone fault he is so bad nobody want to play with him or with you on that matter.
Myself i would prefer meeting only premades against every time, but sadly theres too many baddies like you and op who instead put some minimal effort into organized team play prefer whine and blame others, while demanding ZOS to screw over organized gameplay in a MMO game. You want play solo? Go play first Morrowind.

If people hadn't paid for the content you'd have a point. But everyone should have the ability to participate in content they paid for.

Or else people stop buying things

You are totally right. And i payed for small scale organized pvp matches. If ppl are too lazy to put an effort of organizing own team or close to no effort of joining existing one - thats on them and they have no right or justification to demand to penalize ppl who do put effort to perform better.

Edit: should we disband dungeon premades aswell? And trials? Lets promote lazy baddies who cant even use zone chat to organize team over ppl who put effort? Sorry, not a slacker mode supporter, never will be. Put effort, organize yourself, stop crying you get stomped when you deserve it.

BGs was never billed as truly competitive organized small scale. There’s no MMR or valid leaderboards. That’s your bad for assuming it is.

BGs was billed as quick to jump into fast paced small scale combat. There’s nothing quick about building a 4 man and sitting in longer queues.

Pre-mades haven’t even been bad on Xbox na lately but that doesn’t make your bad logic ok.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25965

"You can queue solo or as a member of a party" - here, i play what i payed for. You get stomped? Organize team, or nicely ask for separate q for groups and solo players, but dont demand penalizing teams and taking away content we payed for.

I never get stomped. Your entitled and aggressive mentality sounds like you’re projecting your solo experience of getting stomped onto me. That also probably explains why you’re so adamant about wanting to run a full 4 man pre-made despite that usually yielding the least fun gameplay.

People need to realize bgs follows the same system as dungeon finder. If u feel your group is lacking, make a premade. What you are basically saying is people who use group finder shouldn’t be able to make group outside que and be stuck with randoms who are utterly ba

The problem with your analogy to regular group finder is that you are entering into PvP content, content which has a variable difficulty. In the current system you're faced with the choice of either having 95% of your games be complete blowouts where the other two teams can barely muster 10% of the max score before you win--if you put together a half decent premade (not even close to minmaxed)--or queueing solo and having 50-60% of your games be competitive and interesting while the other 40-50% are torturous and beyond unwinnable no matter how good you are individually and what spec you're running--with the degree to which the game is so depending largely on how good the premade really is and the proportion of the team that is rocking godtank builds. At least having the option for a solo queue only or MAYBE a solo\duo at most and allowing people to solo queue into the 3\4 man queue if they want to could largely remedy this. That way solo players get more balanced games consistently while all the premades will actually get put up against other actual premades, which is what most at least pretend to want.

Removing or separating group ques typically fails hard. For various reasons, it ends up lowering the BG population and usually results in very long pop times.

The only thing that has somewhat worked is performance matching.

Groups and/or players that consistently have the most kills and wins get matched with others having a similar score. Players performing less well end up facing other players that perform less well. A slightly modified system in Warhammer, that made all pugs feel mostly happy, is mixed group pairing - each side typically had one top group and one low performing group.

It's not a perfect solution. When my longtime guild of 6 played in Warhammer, I learned a very important truth. Most premades don't want competition. They want to kick kittens and stomp pugs. They lose a couple of times and ragequit, leave the instance, or sit it out so that their score is miserably low. But it was definitely better for the casuals.

That suggestions should satisfy most players here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/390180/battlegrounds-changes-that-would-make-them-way-more-popular-and-enjoyable-to-play/p1?new=1

I queue about 60% solo, 40% grouped.

The reasons for grouping up are a) to finally have a platform (BGs) where you can meet and fight other top teams in ESOs most competitive PvP scenario and b) to enjoy the beauty of playing with people who are capable of similar standards of awareness, reaction speed and raw talent while playing.

The BG group I play with has not once used voicecom of any form, doesn't really communicate via chat and apart from a few occastions we strictly run 3 people, instead of 4. Yet, we arguably are one of the most dominant teams on PC EU. Why am I writing this? Because, point is, compared to other games I have played, the level of pvp group play presented by about 99% of the ESO population is really underdeveloped. Missing smallscale incentives and no dev emphasis on PvP are reasons for not having a developed smallscale scene with multiple individual elite units forming up and then playing together for years and mastering their setups.

I play since prerelease and anyone who knows me, knows that I am almost purely a solo player since beginning. With battlegrounds being introduced we finally have a platform that, despite its issues, has managed within just a few months to grow such a scene. I personally enjoy that (keep in mind, I am a solo player) and wouldn`t want to miss any of the newly formed premades (despite their openly celebrated obsession on magplars and wardens).

In conclusion, I find this thread and the opinions presented to be very selfish, completely ignoring the overall positive effects of having a premade scene forming. I am completely opposed to the bandaid solutions proposed by OP, in my honest opinion, we would lose more than we would win. And again, I queue more solo than grouped, I get my fair share of unwinnable pug teams vs premades, too.

Isn't your complaint the same like me hypthetically demanding that the option to form groups in cyrodiil gets disabled because I enjoy solo play most? Would't that be incredibly selfish and simple minded?

Best regards

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

b) to enjoy the beauty of playing with people who are capable of similar standards of awareness, reaction speed and raw talent while playing.

Pardon--not to overlook the rest of your well-written post, but this part really had me curious. Do you enjoy the "beauty" of playing with these other capable people even when it's against teams that stand no chance? Sounds sarcastic, but honest question.

Whether it's PvP or PvE, I love the rare instance when I'm matched (either deliberately or randomly) with a team that does not carry me and that I do not have to carry. That being said, if we effortlessly wreck other players I feel about the same satisfaction as waltzing through a dungeon with no difficulty. Actually no, I feel worse because I know that there's a chance I'm discouraging them from growing the PvP community.

I have some gaming friends that enjoy destroying the most helpless of opponents; it's just a game so whatever floats your boat.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I queue about 60% solo, 40% grouped.

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Isn't your complaint the same like me hypthetically demanding that the option to form groups in cyrodiil gets disabled because I enjoy solo play most? Would't that be incredibly selfish and simple minded?

You have an entire map to play in Cyrodiil. As a solo player, you can join in team fights or pick off loners as you so choose with no consequence.

BGs, by design, greatly reward teamwork.

That means a randomly created team has a massive disadvantage. Even against your 3-man with no voice. You have already preselected 3 good players when the odds are every random team is lucky to get 1 or 2.

Maybe EU has more premades than NA, so you get matched against them more when you're playing with one? In NA, there is usually just one premade farming randoms over and over with no competition. They know they will get easy wins and they are using it. I stopped queuing for randoms mostly because of it. I'm sure many more have as well. We would probably get an increased participation with a random only queue by a good margin.

Is it selfish that I want lower level players who haven't gotten a chance to team up to have fun in BGs?

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Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I queue about 60% solo, 40% grouped.

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Isn't your complaint the same like me hypthetically demanding that the option to form groups in cyrodiil gets disabled because I enjoy solo play most? Would't that be incredibly selfish and simple minded?

You have an entire map to play in Cyrodiil. As a solo player, you can join in team fights or pick off loners as you so choose with no consequence.

BGs, by design, greatly reward teamwork.

That means a randomly created team has a massive disadvantage. Even against your 3-man with no voice. You have already preselected 3 good players when the odds are every random team is lucky to get 1 or 2.

Maybe EU has more premades than NA, so you get matched against them more when you're playing with one? In NA, there is usually just one premade farming randoms over and over with no competition. They know they will get easy wins and they are using it. I stopped queuing for randoms mostly because of it. I'm sure many more have as well. We would probably get an increased participation with a random only queue by a good margin.

Is it selfish that I want lower level players who haven't gotten a chance to team up to have fun in BGs?

I think your argument is not consistent. First, you explain how BGs are "greatly rewarding teamwork", therefore having teamwork, teams, in mind. Why would you exclude actual teams from that? Shouldn't instead solo players be incentivized to build teams in such a scenario? Why would a solo player ever build a team if the team is not allowed to play?

I am all for seperate Queues or tiered matchmaking, but not for excluding teams from a single Q. Simply because, in the single queue scenario, teams and newly built groups also should have the right to exist and have a platform for what they enjoy doing together. They have the same vote, the same right to be there like the solo player (no matter the level).

I think it's selfish/one-sided to exclude preexisting or to-be-formed teams from the equation and only focus on the solo players interest.

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With BGs we finally have a platform for that. As stated many times before, in an ideal world we would have ranked & unranked or solo & grp queue. Let's vote for that, I support that any day. I am a solo Q'er, too, most of the time. .

lol, platform for what? its almost impossible to have 2 premades in one match. 10% chance to meet a real opponent. Thats how it working now.
U have better chance to fight with skilled groups vs skilled group in cyrodiil than in battleground.
U wrote above that 60% solo and 40% premade, its not most of the time man, its a half of the time. Solo Q'er is me who play 95% time in bg solo, because i Hate to nuke pugs without competition. I can't even complete combo's on them if in premade. Not enouch health. Its ***.
And I want this to change.
If Zenimax cannot add separation fast, then for the time they will be able to do this, I want them do full random.
Fair competition - a base for future premade vs premad battlegrounds mode.

You have a very high chance of getting 2-3 premades in one match PC EU Queue at primetime. Apart from that I would like to end the conversation here. My point is made and you, honestly, have a very aggressive & immature way of communicating. Not my cup of tea, sorry.

Apache_Kid wrote: »

that we paid for with our friends becuase they either have no friends to queue with or

read the thread before writing dumbless things.
And, we all paid for this content, so peace off.

Apache_Kid wrote: »

As an immediate remedy for your issue I'd suggest finding some friends who are decent at PvP while also looking to improve your own skills so you can take down these pre-made groups instead of asking that friends be not allowed to play with each other. That's what you are asking for since the population is not healthy enough for multiple queues.

I've wrote this multiple times - but u didn't read or didn't understood - I have such friends, I've a lot of own expiirience on 9 classes except stamsork and I get no enjoy from killing randoms.
I look at this from both points of view, except 3d point - socipath's point, who want just win/farm something etc no matter how.
If u one of them, we have no about what to talk man.
I don't want to nuke random players as premade.
I want competition, I want interesting fights.
I want play premade vs premade.
Or at least as pug vs pugs.
And this queue will be always empty if bg will same as now.
Pugs leaving, adequate premaders also leaving.
It calls negative filtration - @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I queue about 60% solo, 40% grouped.

The reasons for grouping up are a) to finally have a platform (BGs) where you can meet and fight other top teams in ESOs most competitive PvP scenario and b) to enjoy the beauty of playing with people who are capable of similar standards of awareness, reaction speed and raw talent while playing.

The BG group I play with has not once used voicecom of any form, doesn't really communicate via chat and apart from a few occastions we strictly run 3 people, instead of 4. Yet, we arguably are one of the most dominant teams on PC EU. Why am I writing this? Because, point is, compared to other games I have played, the level of pvp group play presented by about 99% of the ESO population is really underdeveloped. Missing smallscale incentives and no dev emphasis on PvP are reasons for not having a developed smallscale scene with multiple individual elite units forming up and then playing together for years and mastering their setups.

I play since prerelease and anyone who knows me, knows that I am almost purely a solo player since beginning. With battlegrounds being introduced we finally have a platform that, despite its issues, has managed within just a few months to grow such a scene. I personally enjoy that (keep in mind, I am a solo player) and wouldn`t want to miss any of the newly formed premades (despite their openly celebrated obsession on magplars and wardens).

In conclusion, I find this thread and the opinions presented to be very selfish, completely ignoring the overall positive effects of having a premade scene forming. I am completely opposed to the bandaid solutions proposed by OP, in my honest opinion, we would lose more than we would win. And again, I queue more solo than grouped, I get my fair share of unwinnable pug teams vs premades, too.

Isn't your complaint the same like me hypthetically demanding that the option to form groups in cyrodiil gets disabled because I enjoy solo play most? Would't that be incredibly selfish and simple minded?

Best regards

When battlegrounds came out I was really looking forward to fighting players who were actually decent in a small scale setting. Yes it could have had a 4v4 option with a ranking system\matchmaking and the maps could be designed better around certain modes (domination specifically) but overall I was happy to finally have some outlet to get guaranteed small scale when ever you wanted after you had enough of Cyrodiil. For me the disappointment started to set in after maybe the 30th straight win where the other team didn't even manage half of max score. We were a premade but we weren't even speced for a BG setting at all, throughout the day we had 3-4 people in our group and we always had 1-3 nbs or 1-3 mag sorcs. No healers, no real group utility, just solo 1vX builds and it was still complete faceroll 99% of the time. In over 20 hours of play in the two days following release we had maybe 2 or 3 competitive games with only one loss--our first dom game against a premade when we weren't preparing for four people slotting rapids and just running around ignoring the other teams.

Though premades are generally more common now, that really hasn't fixed addressed the issue. 90% of premades are complete garbage, the way PvP works right now just enables literally anyone to build up to 30k hp and play with 2-3 people in comms with the ability to heal\off heal and if you're solo--no matter your build--the odds of you killing a single person with the help of pugs in negligible to zero. So just add another player? Yes I can do that easily and now everything but 3-4 man +30k hp templar stacking teams are easily manageable, but now just by having picked up that second player over half of your games are now faceroll easy wins with perhaps another 25-35% of your games being somewhat competitive in non tdm modes. Add a third and now 90% or more of your games are a complete joke. That's the problem, allowing premades--even horrible ones--to get matched up against groups of 4 pugs seriously limits the enjoyment either party can get out of BGs, the premade presumably would like to go against other decent premades that can't they can't beat one handed while the pugs would also enjoy having their games be at least semi balanced.

Consequently, having an option for only 3-4 man teams to match up against other 3-4 man teams--with the ability of solo players to opt in if they desire--would give both people looking to get more competitive games solo and premades looking for more of a challenge what they want. You might have to wait longer in queue--at least I imagine premades would--but once you get in the odds of you actually having a game that's actually competitive\fun is substantially higher so I imagine anyone but the people looking to pug stop with their premades would enjoy such a system.

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Minno wrote: »

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diplomatt wrote: »

LIke u done with CP in bg-s, added, than removed on PTS now.
Do this - give us only random queue in next patch please.
LIke if players are in group they are not able to queue.
Or randomly come to different groups until match ends.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_Wrobel

Maybe if you git gud somebody will want to play with you? Dont put your baddiness here demanding ppl who bother to organize teams to be punished because nobody wants play with you.

Because you're so skilled, farming clueless pugs in BGs with a full premade. Very skilled gamplay right there. Get outta here lol

OP didnt ask to just didnt allow premades option to q but any size of the groups. 2-3 friends playing together is also something he sees as crime. Not anyone fault he is so bad nobody want to play with him or with you on that matter.
Myself i would prefer meeting only premades against every time, but sadly theres too many baddies like you and op who instead put some minimal effort into organized team play prefer whine and blame others, while demanding ZOS to screw over organized gameplay in a MMO game. You want play solo? Go play first Morrowind.

If people hadn't paid for the content you'd have a point. But everyone should have the ability to participate in content they paid for.

Or else people stop buying things

You are totally right. And i payed for small scale organized pvp matches. If ppl are too lazy to put an effort of organizing own team or close to no effort of joining existing one - thats on them and they have no right or justification to demand to penalize ppl who do put effort to perform better.

Edit: should we disband dungeon premades aswell? And trials? Lets promote lazy baddies who cant even use zone chat to organize team over ppl who put effort? Sorry, not a slacker mode supporter, never will be. Put effort, organize yourself, stop crying you get stomped when you deserve it.

BGs was never billed as truly competitive organized small scale. There’s no MMR or valid leaderboards. That’s your bad for assuming it is.

BGs was billed as quick to jump into fast paced small scale combat. There’s nothing quick about building a 4 man and sitting in longer queues.

Pre-mades haven’t even been bad on Xbox na lately but that doesn’t make your bad logic ok.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25965

"You can queue solo or as a member of a party" - here, i play what i payed for. You get stomped? Organize team, or nicely ask for separate q for groups and solo players, but dont demand penalizing teams and taking away content we payed for.

Might want to read the rest of the article too:

"Because Battlegrounds are small-group PvP matches, a game won't last any longer than 15 minutes; a very different experience from the epic campaigns of Cyrodiil. If you're looking for some quick-and-dirty action, Battlegrounds are the perfect place for an exciting PvP experience. "

And how that part proves your point exactly? Organized team stomp pug way under 15 mins as it says, its very different from cyro blobs, its quick and dirty. All correct as described. Either way with pugs or organized teams only its all true.

Also "small group matches" - not solo crybabies matches.

Lol except I should be able to que solo as well and expect the rest of the que to be solo players.

Sometimes friends log for the evening. I should get what I paid for as well.

Guys. Let’s stop this whole “I want to get what I paid for” thing.

Guess what, solo queuers?

You CAN play. You can queue as a solo. And groups can queue as groups. Everyone is getting to play.

What the solo queuers MEAN when they say “they want to get what they paid for” is actually “I want to win at what I paid for

No. No you don’t get to win by banning groups from competing in a group vs group setting in which you’re too lazy to make your own group.

Everyone gets to play. Don’t expext to win without doing the work.

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Thogard wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

LIke u done with CP in bg-s, added, than removed on PTS now.
Do this - give us only random queue in next patch please.
LIke if players are in group they are not able to queue.
Or randomly come to different groups until match ends.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_Wrobel

Maybe if you git gud somebody will want to play with you? Dont put your baddiness here demanding ppl who bother to organize teams to be punished because nobody wants play with you.

Because you're so skilled, farming clueless pugs in BGs with a full premade. Very skilled gamplay right there. Get outta here lol

OP didnt ask to just didnt allow premades option to q but any size of the groups. 2-3 friends playing together is also something he sees as crime. Not anyone fault he is so bad nobody want to play with him or with you on that matter.
Myself i would prefer meeting only premades against every time, but sadly theres too many baddies like you and op who instead put some minimal effort into organized team play prefer whine and blame others, while demanding ZOS to screw over organized gameplay in a MMO game. You want play solo? Go play first Morrowind.

If people hadn't paid for the content you'd have a point. But everyone should have the ability to participate in content they paid for.

Or else people stop buying things

You are totally right. And i payed for small scale organized pvp matches. If ppl are too lazy to put an effort of organizing own team or close to no effort of joining existing one - thats on them and they have no right or justification to demand to penalize ppl who do put effort to perform better.

Edit: should we disband dungeon premades aswell? And trials? Lets promote lazy baddies who cant even use zone chat to organize team over ppl who put effort? Sorry, not a slacker mode supporter, never will be. Put effort, organize yourself, stop crying you get stomped when you deserve it.

BGs was never billed as truly competitive organized small scale. There’s no MMR or valid leaderboards. That’s your bad for assuming it is.

BGs was billed as quick to jump into fast paced small scale combat. There’s nothing quick about building a 4 man and sitting in longer queues.

Pre-mades haven’t even been bad on Xbox na lately but that doesn’t make your bad logic ok.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25965

"You can queue solo or as a member of a party" - here, i play what i payed for. You get stomped? Organize team, or nicely ask for separate q for groups and solo players, but dont demand penalizing teams and taking away content we payed for.

Might want to read the rest of the article too:

"Because Battlegrounds are small-group PvP matches, a game won't last any longer than 15 minutes; a very different experience from the epic campaigns of Cyrodiil. If you're looking for some quick-and-dirty action, Battlegrounds are the perfect place for an exciting PvP experience. "

And how that part proves your point exactly? Organized team stomp pug way under 15 mins as it says, its very different from cyro blobs, its quick and dirty. All correct as described. Either way with pugs or organized teams only its all true.

Also "small group matches" - not solo crybabies matches.

Lol except I should be able to que solo as well and expect the rest of the que to be solo players.

Sometimes friends log for the evening. I should get what I paid for as well.

Guys. Let’s stop this whole “I want to get what I paid for” thing.

Guess what, solo queuers?

You CAN play. You can queue as a solo. And groups can queue as groups. Everyone is getting to play.

What the solo queuers MEAN when they say “they want to get what they paid for” is actually “I want to win at what I paid for

No. No you don’t get to win by banning groups from competing in a group vs group setting in which you’re too lazy to make your own group.

Everyone gets to play. Don’t expext to win without doing the work.

But there is rarely a grp vs grp match and even rarer grp vs grp vs grp. Most premades are getting in matches against pugs, which would not be so bad if the teams would be balanced but the premade normally has 4 good pvper and the random grp maybe 1-2 which makes is almost impossible to win for them. There is no ranking/ balancing of teams in terms of player strength.

And if you think about that groups try to sync the queue so they can play against each other you know how screwed up the group tool is. I really do not see a point at the moment to queue as a group of 4 good pvpers if you do not get put against other good groups. It is just no fun to have easy wins against so much weaker groups and it is for those weaker groups also no fun.

ZOS finally needs to separate those groups queues from solo queues. Just make 2 checkboxes one puts you in a full premade group vs other premades (longer waiting time) and solo queue will split your group and everyone would be randomly assign to one of the teams.

Yeah i'm all for that. It's a real PitA to try to synchronize queues. I'd love separate queues.

But ban groups from queueing? come on.

diplomatt wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Yeah i'm all for that. It's a real PitA to try to synchronize queues. I'd love separate queues.

But ban groups from queueing? come on.

Cmn, don't exaggerate.
Its not ban, but a temporaty easy action to solve complete disbalance - and make with this bg fair and popular, until they make separate bgs.

Banning groups from the only source of balanced (at least as far as you can have balance with three teams instead of two) PvP in the game is ludicrous.

If you want solo PvP go duel people. If you’re going to put restrictions on BGs, it’s solo queuers who should have the restriction. But there’s no reason for that. They can queue. They just won’t win all the time.

Everyone can play how they want to play. If you want to win, get a group. a good group. You know, because it’s group vs group PvP.

I’m just having a hard time trying to understand the mental gymnastics that solo queuers are going through to try to justify blocking groups from participating in group vs group PvP. And I solo queue quite a lot.

You know what I do when I’m solo queueing and come up against a premade? I get my own group together.

Try it.

Subversus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

diplomatt wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Yeah i'm all for that. It's a real PitA to try to synchronize queues. I'd love separate queues.

But ban groups from queueing? come on.

Cmn, don't exaggerate.
Its not ban, but a temporaty easy action to solve complete disbalance - and make with this bg fair and popular, until they make separate bgs.

Banning groups from the only source of balanced (at least as far as you can have balance with three teams instead of two) PvP in the game is ludicrous.

If you want solo PvP go duel people. If you’re going to put restrictions on BGs, it’s solo queuers who should have the restriction. But there’s no reason for that. They can queue. They just won’t win all the time.

Everyone can play how they want to play. If you want to win, get a group. a good group. You know, because it’s group vs group PvP.

I’m just having a hard time trying to understand the mental gymnastics that solo queuers are going through to try to justify blocking groups from participating in group vs group PvP. And I solo queue quite a lot.

You know what I do when I’m solo queueing and come up against a premade? I get my own group together.

Try it.

There is nothing balanced in stomping on pugs with a premade. Don't lie to yourself, you know very well that only like 1 in 20 games are actually competitive and not a stomp fest whenever you queue with a premade.

No, he probably thinks he is just that good. It happens all of the time in CP vs no-CP discussions too when the 600+ CP player honestly thinks they are just more skilled than the >300 CP player. Currently BGs cater to both groups so you can see why they refuse to acknowledge the imbalance as it benefits them directly.