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[PvP] mDK changes
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.Edited by Waffennacht on January 12, 2018 10:31PM2 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT3 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
Well, I can concur with that
Mag DK is in a great spot atm, doesn't feel weak, doesn't feel overpowered (except vs medium armor stam builds lol).Edited by DDuke on January 12, 2018 10:34PM4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I suppose it would be fine if you want to nerf the class from where it is on Live. So it's not that you don't want mDK buffed, you actually want it nerfed. Ok, got it.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I suppose it would be fine if you want to nerf the class from where it is on Live. So it's not that you don't want mDK buffed, you actually want it nerfed. Ok, got it.
Imo, as is - without the infinite whips is fine. I think the delay would also be fine - but not something I would want. If it came down to infinite whip vs delayed whip, delayed whip hands down
Edit: live now mDK is balanced, PTS mDK OP af, - cannot go live, would rather nerf than anything close to this PTSEdited by Waffennacht on January 12, 2018 10:50PM1 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fineVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
PvE is stupid easy, repetitive, and can easily and should be sacrificed for PvP balance6 -
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
No offense to DDuke, whilst he is good, especially with such a different build, potato mashing isn't top tier. The mobility is coming from a busted clunky ability and speed pots. Which you have to sacrifice mag sustain for.
Also sorcs "practically never recieved a buff."
They hold the mantle of the least nerfed and buffed class. Just look at sorc now vs sorc 3/4 years ago. Not a far cry. Then look at templars/DK.
Shields got revamped a bit such as shield can now be refreshed, but prior was immune to more. It also took a time nerf, which worked out to... Nothing. Shields were taken down fast anyway if you weren't a potato. It is still one of the strongest defense mechanics, least counters/sacrifice etc.
Streak was nerfed, since it was infinite in the old days, but in comparison to mist form its STILL much better in that it can be "spammed" to get away, whilst costly it still allows mag regen. TL;DR: Streak and shield changes were necessary.
Frags is the only ability with a considerable nerf, stun and 10%. Which shouldn't have happened, took away from DW playstyle and the random 10% did nothing, I suspect it was actually a PvE change because sorcs were top in dps at the time, 10% is a lot more to PvE than PvP.
Pet got a considerable buff, curse got an echo, Rune now acts like petrify, which is a buff.
TL;DR sorcs got more predictable/pigeonholed, but not really incredibly weaker. DK was OP due to dynamic ult, but has taken numerous nerfs post the removal. Just compare sustain, DK was the weakest sustain pre morrowind, and it got nerfed, but sorc didn't. Be happy. Better than DK in everyway.Edited by ak_pvp on January 12, 2018 11:06PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
No offense to DDuke, whilst he is good, especially with such a different build, potato mashing isn't top tier. The mobility is coming from a busted clunky ability and speed pots. Which you have to sacrifice mag sustain for.
No offense taken, but you should try chains - they're far from "busted clunky" these days (I wouldn't be using them if they fit that description).
I think magicka DK has the 3rd best mobility of all magicka classes these days (after mag NB & sorc) thanks to them. Magplars & especially Wardens really struggle a lot more.Edited by DDuke on January 12, 2018 11:06PM3 -
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.
But then PvE sustain issues kick in. Its not like warden where DPS just sucks, or templar with scaling issues, its sustain. And somehow they managed to break it in both places.
An easy fix would be revert off balance changes all together. The stun is a nice and IMO needed change, it shouldn't do what it does in that it allows for infinite lashes. Max 2 on players per offbalance. Either stuns and consumes, or doesn't stun and gives an extra lash.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.
I know there is a delay on power lash on live but if they really wanted to separate it in pvp and pve in regards to the off balance steal they would have done it from the outset because it's a very simple fix but they didnt which makes me think they wanted to allow off balance to stay on an enemy in pvp regardless if you use your power lash.Vyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.
I know there is a delay on power lash on live but if they really wanted to separate it in pvp and pve in regards to the off balance steal they would have done it from the outset because it's a very simple fix but they didnt which makes me think they wanted to allow off balance to stay on an enemy in pvp regardless if you use your power lash.
I don't know if it's that simple to separate certain game mechanics & make them function differently in PvE and PvP. Nor is it really necessary, as not having Whips/Heavy Attacks consume Off Balance is a good thing in itself (infinite whips however isn't).
That's why a completely separate, new 5s cooldown to Power Lash specifically would fix the problem (Power Lash would otherwise function as it does on PTS, not consuming Off Balance).Edited by DDuke on January 12, 2018 11:31PM2 -
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.
I know there is a delay on power lash on live but if they really wanted to separate it in pvp and pve in regards to the off balance steal they would have done it from the outset because it's a very simple fix but they didnt which makes me think they wanted to allow off balance to stay on an enemy in pvp regardless if you use your power lash.
I don't know if it's that simple to separate certain game mechanics & make them function differently in PvE and PvP. Nor is it really necessary, as not having Whips/Heavy Attacks consume Off Balance is a good thing in itself (infinite whips however isn't).
That's why a completely separate, new 5s cooldown to Power Lash specifically would fix the problem (Power Lash would otherwise function as it does on PTS, not consuming Off Balance).
That isn't a good fix though. It hurts PvE. GG your DK can power lash once during the 4s off balance you get every 20s... You wouldn't be able to lash from other sources, i.e. interrupt/lightning wall niche.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
However, when that Off Balance doesn't get removed anymore, then Power Lash can be used infinitely.
So if they added a completely separate 5s cooldown to Power Lash, we'd be back to status quo & DKs wouldn't be stealing off balance from mobs in PvE.
I know there is a delay on power lash on live but if they really wanted to separate it in pvp and pve in regards to the off balance steal they would have done it from the outset because it's a very simple fix but they didnt which makes me think they wanted to allow off balance to stay on an enemy in pvp regardless if you use your power lash.
I don't know if it's that simple to separate certain game mechanics & make them function differently in PvE and PvP. Nor is it really necessary, as not having Whips/Heavy Attacks consume Off Balance is a good thing in itself (infinite whips however isn't).
That's why a completely separate, new 5s cooldown to Power Lash specifically would fix the problem (Power Lash would otherwise function as it does on PTS, not consuming Off Balance).
That isn't a good fix though. It hurts PvE. GG your DK can power lash once during the 4s off balance you get every 20s... You wouldn't be able to lash from other sources, i.e. interrupt/lightning wall niche.
Yet you wouldn't "steal" that Off Balance from your allies, which would overall be a buff to mag DKs in PvE. Anything apart from that is just PvE finetuning - there's multiple ways of buffing PvE DKs without affecting PvP (infinite Power Lashes isn't the way).
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IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭Can we just take a minute to appreciate how reasonable DK players are that they can talk honestly and openly about whether or not an ability of theirs has been overbuffed? If this was a Sorc thread, a zerg of feral Sorcs would be spamming the thread exclaiming that the ability is still weak should be further buffed ;D
To be fair DK has been bottom barrel for a while while sorc was/is band wagon central, meaning most DKs are probably dedicated players who know the class whereas majority of sorcs aren't sorc mains but rather meta mains.
Plenty of sorcs advocated for sorc nerfs, admittedly to shield stacking and Harness but the toxicity of the inter web drowned them out so all you saw was "sorc op" and "it's a L2P issue"
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✭✭✭✭✭Can we just take a minute to appreciate how reasonable DK players are that they can talk honestly and openly about whether or not an ability of theirs has been overbuffed? If this was a Sorc thread, a zerg of feral Sorcs would be spamming the thread exclaiming that the ability is still weak should be further buffed ;D
To be fair DK has been bottom barrel for a while while sorc was/is band wagon central, meaning most DKs are probably dedicated players who know the class whereas majority of sorcs aren't sorc mains but rather meta mains.
Plenty of sorcs advocated for sorc nerfs, admittedly to shield stacking and Harness but the toxicity of the inter web drowned them out so all you saw was "sorc op" and "it's a L2P issue"
I would hope most players have a character and experience with each class before claiming OP or not.
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.Edited by DDuke on January 13, 2018 11:36AM0 -
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).Edited by DDuke on January 13, 2018 2:58PM0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
Shattering Rocks was simply an example. You can achieve off balance with a Shock enchant also. My point was just that mDKs are not in fact restricted to a Power Lash once every 5 seconds on Live--you can apply offbalance (even solo) more frequently than that if you wish.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
Shattering Rocks was simply an example. You can achieve off balance with a Shock enchant also. My point was just that mDKs are not in fact restricted to a Power Lash once every 5 seconds on Live--you can apply offbalance (even solo) more frequently than that if you wish.
Nope, shock enchant applies Concussion (Minor Vulnerability), not Off Balance. Though you can use lightning staff WoE to set those Concussed enemies Off Balance.
Besides the abovementioned ones, interrupting a cast time ability (which most builds dont run at all) is the only other source of Off Balance I forgot to mention.Edited by DDuke on January 13, 2018 3:10PM0 -
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
And interrupts.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
Shattering Rocks was simply an example. You can achieve off balance with a Shock enchant also. My point was just that mDKs are not in fact restricted to a Power Lash once every 5 seconds on Live--you can apply offbalance (even solo) more frequently than that if you wish.
Nope, shock enchant applies Concussion (Minor Vulnerability), not Off Balance. Though you can use lightning staff WoE to set those Concussed enemies Off Balance.
Besides the abovementioned ones, interrupting a cast time ability (which most builds dont run at all) is the only other source of Off Balance I forgot to mention.
Hm, I was fairly certain shock enchant has a % chance to apply off balance. Will double check that.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
Shattering Rocks was simply an example. You can achieve off balance with a Shock enchant also. My point was just that mDKs are not in fact restricted to a Power Lash once every 5 seconds on Live--you can apply offbalance (even solo) more frequently than that if you wish.
Nope, shock enchant applies Concussion (Minor Vulnerability), not Off Balance. Though you can use lightning staff WoE to set those Concussed enemies Off Balance.
Besides the abovementioned ones, interrupting a cast time ability (which most builds dont run at all) is the only other source of Off Balance I forgot to mention.
Hm, I was fairly certain shock enchant has a % chance to apply off balance. Will double check that.
I'll save you the time: it's 20% chance to proc Concussed, 40% if you're using destro staff (Elemental Force passive) 0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »From the information i've gathered in this thread, some people are simply justifying their opinions on 1v1ing mDKs. mDK is one of the best dueling classes in this game, full stop.
YET
Play mDK solo openworld and you'll most likely change your opinions on this class pretty quickly.
Most of us are not asking for buffs, we're asking for updates. We're asking for our class to fit in the current game, as this class was thought through mechanically for back when ulti regen was a thing, defile wasn't the easiest debuff to get and when S&B was a little bit more viable.
What about sorc? Only nerfs except a slight addition to pets
What about sorc? Is this a sorc thread?
Yes, because it's stupid to create an even further balancing issues when you buff a class that doesn't need it and ignore a class that's practically never received a buff
lol, we must be playing a different game, just lol
We must be, 9k whips against 4k impen doesn't need a buff - especially the likes of free x5 in a row
Ah yes, those mythical 9k whips against 4k impen. If only Sorcs had access to hard hitting abilities, mobility, sustain. Such a shame.
Right? They have unblockable - put purage able ability that can be cast every 3.5 secs, that's so much like an instant free spammable that deals more damage.
Tell @DDuke that mDK has no mobility.
You obviously only play AvA
Please keep the personal insults coming. It definitely helps your cause. I'm sorry you apparently have trouble fighting DKs and/or playing your Sorc, really I am.
Lol when I wanna play PvP I obviously jump on my Warden because it's obviously better than any Sorc.
I don't think your ignorance is an insult, more statement of fact that your opinion of mDK is very narrow.
mDK does not need a buff. Period.
You clearly just came to this thread looking for a fight. If you had read it you'd see that it's a bunch of well-known mDKs looking to make sure our class doesn't get overbuffed. What is it with forum sorcs?
I responded to the argument given to me about how mDK needs a buff. If others agree with me already, excellent
Not really. You came into a DK thread in which players are trying to balance the Power Lash changes and you started whining about Sorc. You clearly had/have no intention of having any sort of meaningful discussion. Why don't you start a Sorc thread?
Because I'm actually just using sorc as an example, there are several class below mDK right now.
And frankly a 5 sec or 7 sec delay on lash would be fine
I really dont think you understand the whole premise behind the power lash change. It was made to give viability to mDK in PVE and while it did that, it overbuffed them in PvP so we are trying to find a middle ground....A 5-7 second delay would not be fine
I think there's some confusion here.
On Live, there's already a 5s delay before you can Power Lash the same target again, as you remove their Off Balance when you cast whip (and Off Balance has that 5s cooldown before it can be applied again on the target).
This isn't right I'm afraid. You can chain Power Lash on Live if you're in a good trial/dungeon team who has people constantly re-applying off balance. On Live Power Lash consumes that off balance. On the PTS it no longer consumes it. But the multiple Power Lashes in a row is not something just now introduced on the PTS--this patch just made it a lot easier to chain Power Lash.
Good point. I confess, I was only considering it from a solo PvP perspective (your own Off Balance does have that 5s cooldown). I don't know, I still think it'd be an overall buff to DK if they got rid of the Off Balance consuming issue & added the forced 5s cooldown to the Power Lash. No group can consistently apply off balance immediately after every Power Lash/Heavy Attack.
Yeah, there is a 5-second cooldown on off balance applied by Flame Lash (e.g., Flame Lash on immobilized targets applies it), but there has never been a cooldown on the actual Power Lash proc. I don't think adding a 5-second cooldown to the Power Lash proc is a good fix; on Live we can achieve offbalance from other sources (e.g., Shattering Rocks) to proc additional Power Lash within the 5-second Flame Lash cooldown.
C'mon... Shattering Rocks? <.<
Who uses that morph? Last I tested (granted, this was a while ago), it didn't even put Off Balance on the target it hits, only on enemies the AoE part of the morph hits.
Realistically you're only going to get Power Lash off once every 5s without outside help as mag DK, as the only sources are the abovementioned skill, lightning staff WoE & 120p atro passive (you can't really dodge roll enough for that as mag DK).
Shattering Rocks was simply an example. You can achieve off balance with a Shock enchant also. My point was just that mDKs are not in fact restricted to a Power Lash once every 5 seconds on Live--you can apply offbalance (even solo) more frequently than that if you wish.
Nope, shock enchant applies Concussion (Minor Vulnerability), not Off Balance. Though you can use lightning staff WoE to set those Concussed enemies Off Balance.
Besides the abovementioned ones, interrupting a cast time ability (which most builds dont run at all) is the only other source of Off Balance I forgot to mention.
Hm, I was fairly certain shock enchant has a % chance to apply off balance. Will double check that.
I'll save you the time: it's 20% chance to proc Concussed, 40% if you're using destro staff (Elemental Force passive)
Ah good to knowInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0