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DDuke wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.

The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.

They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.

I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.

I agree with you on that. I play every stam class at the moment in medium armor without troll king, the exception is my medium armor catblade with troll king, and my heavy armor stamwarden (no TK). My catblade takes advantage of troll king with his class passive, but he isn't a redguard with 40k stam either.

I like that troll king supplements his survivability, while outnumbered and dealing with undogable and unavoidable damage. In situations where even having a higher vigor tooltip wouldn't help.

But these days I'm not even soloing much on my medium armor stamplar, stamsorc, or stamdk. And they used to survive just fine without needing either troll king or heavy armor. I relegate them mostly to group play only, sad times.

DDuke wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Troll and malu are the only answer non-Templar stam builds have for defiles

I mean we could just nerf defiles/ poisons and give us some build diversity but then we can hear the Zerglings scream when their Xv1 gets harder

I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).

I was talking about stamina in general. Medium armor needs some love but not too much.
Heavy would be trash if it didn't had great sets. Medium faces huge problems with dots, undodgeable abilities and defiles.
However if you over buff medium it would be too strong.

The sneak passive should be changed to something like:
While you dodge your damage taken is reduced by 25% when you wear 5 pieces of medium armor.

Or dodging with 5 pieces of medium armor reduces the damage you take from DoT abilities by 40% for 2 seconds (4 seconds cooldown)

OdinForge wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Troll and malu are the only answer non-Templar stam builds have for defiles

I mean we could just nerf defiles/ poisons and give us some build diversity but then we can hear the Zerglings scream when their Xv1 gets harder

I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).

I was talking about stamina in general. Medium armor needs some love but not too much.
Heavy would be trash if it didn't had great sets. Medium faces huge problems with dots, undodgeable abilities and defiles.
However if you over buff medium it would be too strong.

The sneak passive should be changed to something like:
While you dodge your damage taken is reduced by 25% when you wear 5 pieces of medium armor.

Or dodging with 5 pieces of medium armor reduces the damage you take from DoT abilities by 40% for 2 seconds (4 seconds cooldown)

There was nothing wrong with the strength of medium armor prior to Dark Brotherhood. And at that time unavoidable damage was not that prolific, and sets like troll king (among many others) didn't exist. ZOS sapped a lot of inherent strength from the classes directly, and gave them back to some degree in boring sets.

I know but if you let ZoS change too many things at once they come up with these "good" ideas.
Better to change one thing at the time than 20 and create 5 more problems

I was wondering if I should bump this thread, but I decided not to.

Ivan04 wrote: »

There's another Monster helm that's currently bugged - Pirate Skeleton, you can still purge the defile portion of it so you get pure major protection without any downside.

Which is weird because it use to not

DDuke wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.

The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.

They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.

I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.

Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.

The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.

They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.

I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.

There are those who are good stam players that understand troll carry is strong, but detest its existence and carry on fine without it. But we are also forced to wear bloodspawn anyways cause we need tankyness

But Bloodspawn is a much better set in literally every way, it gives you sustain (1 piece bonus), damage (ultimate regen) and surivivability (the proc itself). Deffo my favorite monster set in the game when it comes to PvP.

Izaki wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.

The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.

They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.

I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.

Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.

I can't agree enough with this.
I don't understand why all the medium armor users are hating on heavy armor,while the real reason they are bad is magicka builds that combine light armor with undodgeable burst tools.

I can fight with heavy armor users on medium armor, I can't fight a magsorc/magDK/magblade/magden with medium armor. Its just not possible to survive their unstoppable burst without enough mitigation.

You've kinda just answered this for yourself. They are hating on heavy armor because you can actually survive all that undodgeable damage and still hit back just as hard as in medium armor.

nah. with medium armor Im able to beat heavy armor opponents.(except magDK mostly because power lash and leap are undodgeable, but mainly because mDK can permablock without giving out on their offensive capabilities)
most of the stamina attacks are dodgeable.

Thogard wrote: »

What cracks me up is that in the patch notes where they made defile affect health regen, they specifically single out troll king as the reason for that change...

And then it doesn’t affect troll king lol

just like their block nerfs, it only nerfs it for those who didnt abuse the crap out of it.