Troll King is bugged
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Currently on live the Troll King monster set isn't being affected by healing debuffs, it has been tested and proven by multiple people. I would really be grateful if this could get fixed during pts so I could resume experimenting with the meta.
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✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
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✭✭✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.9 -
MercTheMage✭✭✭✭Currently on live the Troll King monster set isn't being affected by healing debuffs, it has been tested and proven by multiple people. I would really be grateful if this could get fixed during pts so I could resume experimenting with the meta.
Troll king does NOT heal, it grants health regeneration, and therefor would not be affected by defile.
It is working as intended.You just going to stand there like a lemon?5 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
There are those who are good stam players that understand troll carry is strong, but detest its existence and carry on fine without it. But we are also forced to wear bloodspawn anyways cause we need tankyness
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✭✭MercTheMage wrote: »Troll king does NOT heal, it grants health regeneration, and therefor would not be affected by defile.
It is working as intended.
That has been changed. Defiles reduce health regen aswell as health regen builds were way too strong and had no counterplay10 -
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✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
I agree with you on that. I play every stam class at the moment in medium armor without troll king, the exception is my medium armor catblade with troll king, and my heavy armor stamwarden (no TK). My catblade takes advantage of troll king with his class passive, but he isn't a redguard with 40k stam either.
I like that troll king supplements his survivability, while outnumbered and dealing with undogable and unavoidable damage. In situations where even having a higher vigor tooltip wouldn't help.
But these days I'm not even soloing much on my medium armor stamplar, stamsorc, or stamdk. And they used to survive just fine without needing either troll king or heavy armor. I relegate them mostly to group play only, sad times.
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✭✭✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
There are those who are good stam players that understand troll carry is strong, but detest its existence and carry on fine without it. But we are also forced to wear bloodspawn anyways cause we need tankyness
A friend of mine (a very good stamblade who often beats me in heavy armor S&B setup) tried that.
First I dueled his medium armor setup with TK. Decent length duel, around 20 seconds before the undodgeable chains, whips, fossilizes, embers, leaps & skorias got him.
Then he swapped on Bloodspawn - dead in 5 seconds.
Don't underestimate Troll King.Edited by DDuke on January 10, 2018 3:36PM7 -
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I agree with this. It's not OP at all on Medium armor builds. At least not the one I use it with.This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
Really, the true issue how strong heavy armor builds can be.
In ESO 3.1, Minor/Major defile were changed to affect health regen:MercTheMage wrote: »Troll king does NOT heal, it grants health regeneration, and therefor would not be affected by defile.
It is working as intended.3.1 patch notes wrote:Major/Minor Defile: This debuff now also decreases the enemy’s Health Recovery in addition to decreasing their healing received.2 -
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I agree with this. It's not OP at all on Medium armor builds. At least not the one I use it with.This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile. Really, the true issue how strong heavy armor builds can be.
In ESO 3.1, Minor/Major defile were changed to affect health regen:MercTheMage wrote: »Troll king does NOT heal, it grants health regeneration, and therefor would not be affected by defile.
It is working as intended.3.1 patch notes wrote:Major/Minor Defile: This debuff now also decreases the enemy’s Health Recovery in addition to decreasing their healing received.
That change was intended to nerf Troll King, but TK's health recovery proc isn't actually affected by Major or Minor Defile. Still.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
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I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).Edited by DDuke on January 10, 2018 4:24PM2 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭Currently on live the Troll King monster set isn't being affected by healing debuffs, it has been tested and proven by multiple people. I would really be grateful if this could get fixed during pts so I could resume experimenting with the meta.
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It has been reported multiple times, but it gives regeneration, not healing, so it shouldn’t be affected by defile.PC/EU 800 CP.
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I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).
I was talking about stamina in general. Medium armor needs some love but not too much.
Heavy would be trash if it didn't had great sets. Medium faces huge problems with dots, undodgeable abilities and defiles.
However if you over buff medium it would be too strong.
The sneak passive should be changed to something like:
While you dodge your damage taken is reduced by 25% when you wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
Or dodging with 5 pieces of medium armor reduces the damage you take from DoT abilities by 40% for 2 seconds (4 seconds cooldown)
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I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).
I was talking about stamina in general. Medium armor needs some love but not too much.
Heavy would be trash if it didn't had great sets. Medium faces huge problems with dots, undodgeable abilities and defiles.
However if you over buff medium it would be too strong.
The sneak passive should be changed to something like:
While you dodge your damage taken is reduced by 25% when you wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
Or dodging with 5 pieces of medium armor reduces the damage you take from DoT abilities by 40% for 2 seconds (4 seconds cooldown)
There was nothing wrong with the strength of medium armor prior to Dark Brotherhood. And at that time unavoidable damage was not that prolific, and sets like troll king (among many others) didn't exist. ZOS sapped a lot of inherent strength from the classes directly, and gave them back to some degree in boring sets.
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I run zero defiles or poisons on my mag DK, it's not like those are the only problems medium armor faces... the problem is mostly just taking undodgeable damage and not having spammable survival mechanics to offset it (Troll King takes care of some of it).
I was talking about stamina in general. Medium armor needs some love but not too much.
Heavy would be trash if it didn't had great sets. Medium faces huge problems with dots, undodgeable abilities and defiles.
However if you over buff medium it would be too strong.
The sneak passive should be changed to something like:
While you dodge your damage taken is reduced by 25% when you wear 5 pieces of medium armor.
Or dodging with 5 pieces of medium armor reduces the damage you take from DoT abilities by 40% for 2 seconds (4 seconds cooldown)
There was nothing wrong with the strength of medium armor prior to Dark Brotherhood. And at that time unavoidable damage was not that prolific, and sets like troll king (among many others) didn't exist. ZOS sapped a lot of inherent strength from the classes directly, and gave them back to some degree in boring sets.
I know but if you let ZoS change too many things at once they come up with these "good" ideas.
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✭✭✭✭Valera Progib wrote: »Currently on live the Troll King monster set isn't being affected by healing debuffs, it has been tested and proven by multiple people. I would really be grateful if this could get fixed during pts so I could resume experimenting with the meta.
Здоровья братан!
It has been reported multiple times, but it gives regeneration, not healing, so it shouldn’t be affected by defile.
Defile affects regeneration. They specifically changed Defile to do so in a recent patch.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.2 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭There's another Monster helm that's currently bugged - Pirate Skeleton, you can still purge the defile portion of it so you get pure major protection without any downside.0
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✭✭✭✭✭There's another Monster helm that's currently bugged - Pirate Skeleton, you can still purge the defile portion of it so you get pure major protection without any downside.
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✭✭✭✭Its troll king or you're one shot death territory, even with heavy armor builds.2 -
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✭✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.
I can't agree enough with this.
I don't understand why all the medium armor users are hating on heavy armor,while the real reason they are bad is magicka builds that combine light armor with undodgeable burst tools.
I can fight with heavy armor users on medium armor, I can't fight a magsorc/magDK/magblade/magden with medium armor. Its just not possible to survive their unstoppable burst without enough mitigation.Edited by Ragnarock41 on January 14, 2018 4:44PM2 -
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✭✭This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
There are those who are good stam players that understand troll carry is strong, but detest its existence and carry on fine without it. But we are also forced to wear bloodspawn anyways cause we need tankyness
But Bloodspawn is a much better set in literally every way, it gives you sustain (1 piece bonus), damage (ultimate regen) and surivivability (the proc itself). Deffo my favorite monster set in the game when it comes to PvP.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.
I can't agree enough with this.
I don't understand why all the medium armor users are hating on heavy armor,while the real reason they are bad is magicka builds that combine light armor with undodgeable burst tools.
I can fight with heavy armor users on medium armor, I can't fight a magsorc/magDK/magblade/magden with medium armor. Its just not possible to survive their unstoppable burst without enough mitigation.
You've kinda just answered this for yourself. They are hating on heavy armor because you can actually survive all that undodgeable damage and still hit back just as hard as in medium armor.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »This might be unpopular opinion, but I'm all for troll king not being effected by defile. At least from a medium armor standpoint, I do agree that stacking troll king in heavy armor is too much. But I think you could adjust or replace the HP regen in heavy armor to solve that problem.
The only builds that would realistically benefit from troll king being effected by defile, are the already powerful duroks/etc magicka setups that are already devastating to medium armor builds, or the stam tank/damage setups using reverb for constant defile.
They should just make medium armor builds have Troll King-esque survivability by default, without forcing everyone to wear that set.
I really, really hate how virtually every stam build these days is running it (and if they don't, they don't live past the first CC) - that's not good for the game at all.
Fully agree. Troll King on medium armor feels kinda balanced at the moment but Troll King doesn't favour medium armor builds and it shouldn't be a must have for medium armor builds. What kills medium armor at the moment are magicka builds in my opinion, specifically mag dk, magplar and magwarden (and mag nb to some extend), medium armor has a bit more frontloaded burst but less sustain, less pressure and less defense.
I can't agree enough with this.
I don't understand why all the medium armor users are hating on heavy armor,while the real reason they are bad is magicka builds that combine light armor with undodgeable burst tools.
I can fight with heavy armor users on medium armor, I can't fight a magsorc/magDK/magblade/magden with medium armor. Its just not possible to survive their unstoppable burst without enough mitigation.
You've kinda just answered this for yourself. They are hating on heavy armor because you can actually survive all that undodgeable damage and still hit back just as hard as in medium armor.
nah. with medium armor Im able to beat heavy armor opponents.(except magDK mostly because power lash and leap are undodgeable, but mainly because mDK can permablock without giving out on their offensive capabilities)
most of the stamina attacks are dodgeable.Edited by Ragnarock41 on January 14, 2018 5:19PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What cracks me up is that in the patch notes where they made defile affect health regen, they specifically single out troll king as the reason for that change...
And then it doesn’t affect troll king lolPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭What cracks me up is that in the patch notes where they made defile affect health regen, they specifically single out troll king as the reason for that change...
And then it doesn’t affect troll king lol
just like their block nerfs, it only nerfs it for those who didnt abuse the crap out of it.Edited by Ragnarock41 on January 15, 2018 9:43AM0
