PC-EU, Top-Tier Players For Each Faction, Clockwork City Patch!

Fasold666 · January 2018

@Fel

I agree with a lot of things you mentioned. And also agree of what Derra replied. I would make a bigger difference between 1vX and smallscale though and I can`t say a lot about smallscale because I am 1vX ing about 80% of my playtime if not more. The rest of the time I am involved in “situational cross-faction-alliances” as you described, helping people out that are outnumbered, sometimes I group with specific people for 2vX (not organized) and only in really rare cases grouping up with more (and sometimes I tryhard people that teabagged me for no reason or chased me around the map but run from a 1v1 as usual lol).

Now a friendly competition between organized smallscale groups as you propose can definately work out well I think. But I am not really a smallscaler so it wouldn`t affect me much. But yea, when I look at forum threads and posts from the PC NA server its a more commong thing there then on PC EU and works over there?

But 1vX players fighting each other? Personally, I am fully specced into fighting pug groups and build heavily into sustain for these kind of fights. My rule of thumb was always: “If you are more experienced/skilled (whatever you want to call it) then your opponent, then most of the time it doesnt matter if you don`t have high damage because you will kill them anyways”. That`s why I prefer sustain over damage to have an easier time to kite people until I feel comfortable to fight them, fight bigger groups and to escape situations I would be dying in if I was specced more into damage and so on. But my damage is – in most cases – not enough to kill people on a same level of experience and in almost all situations ends up in a draw. And as far as I know, most of 1vX players have builds that are basically unkillable in a 1v1. Knowing that, it makes no sense for me to 1v2 experienced players because it usually wont end well.
Now I see you said that this will change if it is getting a 2v2 for example. Sure, if it is a truely random 2v2 between 4 experienced smallscalers I am always up for that. But as soon as I notice the 2 opponents are on Teamspeak/discord, switch around gear and whatnot and therefore isn`t random anymore the 2 opponents already have the advantage again (timing ults etc) and the outcome is basically determined if it really is about the same skillevel. Same as if for example a random 100 cp bow light attack spammer stands next to me (or my opponent)...that isn`t a 2v2 either lol. Like generally I am saying, that in many cases you can already tell the outcome of a fight if you think about the factors and who has the advantage and who has the disadvantage and takes the fun out.

By the way it is not that I am not fighting other 1vX or smallscalers. I actually do and enjoy it. But then in a 1v1 situation and knowing that the person is running an open world build same as me. If the person runs a dueling build and is even switching gear or cps around I am annoyed and not enjoying the fight anymore because I could do the same and get myself a build for 1v1 and for every spec I am fighting (maybe some nice pure healing debuff build for stam builds, maybe a 55 - 57k max magicka sorc with full spelldamage and sustain only via harness for other magsorcs/mag nbs? lol) but I don`t feel like doing that because its more like playing rock, paper, scissor and isn`t fun anymore (even though I will still fight that if it doesn`t involve stupid sets like shieldbreaker or blessed armor). Perfect example are also magsorc fights with harness: If you use a high max magicka sorc you are usually in the more dominant position of the fight (if similar experience level).

Anyways, I used to enjoy fighting other good players way more when it wasn`t about gear, addons and cp switching. Back when people would meet in cyrodiil to duel, most of the time with just a standard open world build. Back then duels would actually end and were definately more balanced. You would win duels, you would lose and that was fine. As far as I remember the atmosphere was more relaxed back then (of course some people didn`t like to get killed when they thought they are the best in the world lol).

Answering to your point of the chainreaction when people don`t attack each other and it turns into a friendly zone (I think you even messaged me about that ingame a while ago): I am guilty of starting or being part of it too. But sometimes its funny and/or I am just talking to the people, sometimes it is annoying (when it is annoying I just walk away). If not playing in the middle of the night until morning I still don`t think that this is a problem because there is enough action in Cyro going on. But I understand your point. Especially on Shor it can be annoying during prime time. But then again...I don`t enjoy attacking the TS group that usually let`s me 1vX lol. Won`t be fun for anybody.

To make it short:
1) More friendly competition between smallscale groups would be nice (and I might join it then).
2) 1vX players attacking each other outside of a 1v1 situation? I don´t enjoy that because generally whoever has the number advantage is gonna lose. It is a determined fight. No fun for both sides.
3) I am always up for a 1v1 against other 1vX players with open world build (no gear or cp switching).

FakeFox · January 2018

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Fasold666 · January 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

FakeFox · January 2018

Fasold666 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

Haha, yeah. But for real, I mostly play solo my self and a thing you sadly see with far too many people is that they build so defensive that you end up in 1v1 being utterly pointless as you aren't able to kill each other. I get the point of playing like that when going up against superior numbers, but I just find it boring.

heng14rwb17_ESO · January 2018

KILL ALL SPARE NONE

Derra · January 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

Haha, yeah. But for real, I mostly play solo my self and a thing you sadly see with far too many people is that they build so defensive that you end up in 1v1 being utterly pointless as you aren't able to kill each other. I get the point of playing like that when going up against superior numbers, but I just find it boring.

From my personal experience for 1 good/interesting 1v1 i have i get chased by 10+ people about 15 to 20 times.
It´s not really hard to make the decision of gearing towards the possible survival of the latter instead of gearing for the rare 1v1.

Not going into the argument here that even gearing for 1v1 on certain classes (magsorc without pets or stamblade medium bow 2h) you won´t kill most opponents when they choose to just focus on not dying (what usually happens when they realize they´re being outplayed).
Most of my duels end in a draw and when i look at the fights stats i had 2 to 3 times the dps of my opponent but i simply can´t break them on sorc regardless if i was in dueling gear or open world. That´s just the way it is.

Morgul667 · January 2018

Never met most of the people in this list ^^ I guess it depends on your connection time

olsborg · January 2018

With the aoe cap going away the smallscalers or soloers will have more fun and more of a chance fighting groups of ppl.

Ultimate_Overlord · January 2018

@Extinct_Solo_Player Victimize is a pleb with smelly feet that plays a cancer build and gets rekt by snipe.

MLRPZ · January 2018

olsborg wrote: »

With the aoe cap going away the smallscalers or soloers will have more fun and more of a chance fighting groups of ppl.

that's pretty wrong tho. When you play solo/ small scale and get chased by 10+, you will most likely be ranged by most of the ppl chasing you, you won't have 6+ ppl stacked in your aoe radius if you use aoe to begin with

Ahzek · January 2018

Khajiit is very good at housing, that must count for something, yes ?

Knootewoot · January 2018

Does standing on top of a keep shooting fire balista's into a zerg count as 1 vs X ?

Derra · January 2018

MLRPZ wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

With the aoe cap going away the smallscalers or soloers will have more fun and more of a chance fighting groups of ppl.

that's pretty wrong tho. When you play solo/ small scale and get chased by 10+, you will most likely be ranged by most of the ppl chasing you, you won't have 6+ ppl stacked in your aoe radius if you use aoe to begin with

Only thing it could improve for smallscale is performance - that would be pretty huge though as the main thing that prevents smallscale is abilities not firing in lag

Venom4You · January 2018

I find it very ironic that some people in this thread call the "friendly behavior" amongst small scalers toxic.
Until 2 months ago I used to small scale on daily basis with 3 friends creating pvp by flipping resources at enemy back keeps. Not claiming we used to be the creme de la creme but at least we wanted to get action away from enemy zergs. This flipping used to work for me and my friends since the game launched. But not since they increased AP ticks on resources. People just lost all honor since that change: It didn't matter if we have already been fighting with 3 (without dedicated healer) against 10+ by kiting around a resource tower. The zerg would take the juicy resource tick and afterwards bother to fight 3 people who are already facing multiple enemies with all means possible. It even came to the point (That was when my friends quitted the game) when even salty guilds would come by and enter our tower to destro us down or put timed coldfire siege on us. There is so much salt and disrespect for players already fighting in incredible odds that its not even fun anymore. Maybe they are triggered by our names, maybe by our tabard (Jesuz Bandwagon) idk. But calling behavior like this "playing the game as intended" is simply ridiculous.
So yeah we used to appreciate when other small scale groups that came to have a look at our flipped resource moved on without participating in 3v10+ with siege support -.- ... So I guess the small scalers are the ones showing toxic behavior. And yeah: I don't have any respect for players who think its alright to jump on any fight no matter the odds just because the outnumbered guy has the "wrong" alliance.

Extinct_Solo_Player · January 2018

Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »

@Extinct_Solo_Player Victimize is a pleb with smelly feet that plays a cancer build and gets rekt by snipe.

i totally agree

Fasold666 · January 2018

Venom4You wrote: »

I find it very ironic that some people in this thread call the "friendly behavior" amongst small scalers toxic.
Until 2 months ago I used to small scale on daily basis with 3 friends creating pvp by flipping resources at enemy back keeps. Not claiming we used to be the creme de la creme but at least we wanted to get action away from enemy zergs. This flipping used to work for me and my friends since the game launched. But not since they increased AP ticks on resources. People just lost all honor since that change: It didn't matter if we have already been fighting with 3 (without dedicated healer) against 10+ by kiting around a resource tower. The zerg would take the juicy resource tick and afterwards bother to fight 3 people who are already facing multiple enemies with all means possible. It even came to the point (That was when my friends quitted the game) when even salty guilds would come by and enter our tower to destro us down or put timed coldfire siege on us. There is so much salt and disrespect for players already fighting in incredible odds that its not even fun anymore. Maybe they are triggered by our names, maybe by our tabard (Jesuz Bandwagon) idk. But calling behavior like this "playing the game as intended" is simply ridiculous.
So yeah we used to appreciate when other small scale groups that came to have a look at our flipped resource moved on without participating in 3v10+ with siege support -.- ... So I guess the small scalers are the ones showing toxic behavior. And yeah: I don't have any respect for players who think its alright to jump on any fight no matter the odds just because the outnumbered guy has the "wrong" alliance.

The less successful an organized guild is the higher is the chance that they will focus on zerging down 1vX and smallscale players, pvdoor and go on a campaign like shor (while vivec is still playable) because they know exactly they don`t win fights with even odds lol. If a guild doesn`t focus on their objectives (which I would guess is either having a nice fight or atleast fight for the alliance to win the campaign, atleast thats what they always talk about) but fails constantly and lets their frustration out by chasing 1vX and smallscale players around the map - while even losing keeps and outposts - I would call that toxic too ye lol.

Bam_Bam · January 2018

Knootewoot wrote: »

Does standing on top of a keep shooting fire balista's into a zerg count as 1 vs X ?

only if you're wearing full Vicious Death and laughing like a mad loon, while you do.

Bam_Bam · January 2018

Fasold666 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

I saw you on Alessia farm the other evening on your sorc. Then I realised the other trillions of EP who were there couldn't kill you. So I kinda cloaked and left. Great player and lightyears ahead of me LOL

Fasold666 · January 2018

Baranthus wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

I saw you on Alessia farm the other evening on your sorc. Then I realised the other trillions of EP who were there couldn't kill you. So I kinda cloaked and left. Great player and lightyears ahead of me LOL

purpleshadez · January 2018

Baranthus wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Don't want to name and shame here but a bit too many people on this list who think playing tanky as ***** and not killing anyone is 1vX for my liking.

Try to attack with less then 10v1 and you might see kills

I saw you on Alessia farm the other evening on your sorc. Then I realised the other trillions of EP who were there couldn't kill you. So I kinda cloaked and left. Great player and lightyears ahead of me LOL

I tried tonight on my magblade outside Alessia MG. First time I ever fought @Fasold666 he rekt me in seconds. This time I faired a bit better, but still got rekt.. That burst though!

I suppose that means I'm improving but have a way to go

Akagami94 · February 2018

PvP in EU... it's just zergs and toxic players... and not to mention the lagg

Ryanoxx · February 2018

Akagami94 wrote: »

PvP in EU... it's just zergs and toxic players... and not to mention the lagg

Yes I agree. I heard of a guild called World in Flames. They´re pretty good players and also do good 1vX.

Lieblingsjunge · February 2018

I always leave players alone that I see fighting. Sadly, it sometimes ends up biting me in the butt. The guy you left alone the last time you saw him, will casually chase you with 5+ from Fare to Brindle Church.

Basically give everyone that's alone, a chance. I don't know how many times I approached a resource with a horse - just to stand there for a bit and watch the guy 1vX. That's how I met one of my old friends. Saw him and another dude 2v5 some people. Later I ran into them again, while I was kiting 4-5 enemies(I was alone at that point). They helped me kill them(ofc green alliance<3) and at some point they made an AD character and we had some really good fun fighting together after.

Personally, everyone who attempts 1vX, 2vX or ~max 4 in group these days - deserves the courtesy of not being tryharded.
As Fasold states, with Open-World builds, most duels against equally skilled opponents, ends in a draw. Which is rather meh. I've attempted some solo-skirmishes recently on resources. It's fun for a couple of minutes, when you fight off 2-3-4 people. But then, for some reason, the people get triggered and decides to bring 10 next time around. (Is that resource tick really that juicy? xD)

If a person is fighting alone(Unless I recognise the name from a zerg), I rarely bother to get involved. Even though I do end up leaving zerglings alone at times, that, as I said, won't hesitate to zerg you down next time- I still think it's worth it. Because as it's been said time and time again: You usually don't beat equally skilled players in Open-World builds.

Master_Kas · February 2018

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Akagami94 wrote: »

PvP in EU... it's just zergs and toxic players... and not to mention the lagg

Yes I agree. I heard of a guild called World in Flames. They´re pretty good players and also do good 1vX.

Not Rage Shadowborn, he Xv1's better than me

FakeZavos · February 2018

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Akagami94 wrote: »

PvP in EU... it's just zergs and toxic players... and not to mention the lagg

Yes I agree. I heard of a guild called World in Flames. They´re pretty good players and also do good 1vX.

All zerglings

Feanor · February 2018

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I always leave players alone that I see fighting. Sadly, it sometimes ends up biting me in the butt. The guy you left alone the last time you saw him, will casually chase you with 5+ from Fare to Brindle Church.

Basically give everyone that's alone, a chance. I don't know how many times I approached a resource with a horse - just to stand there for a bit and watch the guy 1vX. That's how I met one of my old friends. Saw him and another dude 2v5 some people. Later I ran into them again, while I was kiting 4-5 enemies(I was alone at that point). They helped me kill them(ofc green alliance<3) and at some point they made an AD character and we had some really good fun fighting together after.

Personally, everyone who attempts 1vX, 2vX or ~max 4 in group these days - deserves the courtesy of not being tryharded.
As Fasold states, with Open-World builds, most duels against equally skilled opponents, ends in a draw. Which is rather meh. I've attempted some solo-skirmishes recently on resources. It's fun for a couple of minutes, when you fight off 2-3-4 people. But then, for some reason, the people get triggered and decides to bring 10 next time around. (Is that resource tick really that juicy? xD)

If a person is fighting alone(Unless I recognise the name from a zerg), I rarely bother to get involved. Even though I do end up leaving zerglings alone at times, that, as I said, won't hesitate to zerg you down next time- I still think it's worth it. Because as it's been said time and time again: You usually don't beat equally skilled players in Open-World builds.

That’s what I do too. I don’t attack a single player unless it’s a 1v1 or he attacks me. I thoroughly hate to get zerged down, so I don’t do it to others unless provoked.

Irga · February 2018

Yup... I do have 0 ping *hears someone shouting "hacks" in the back*

*Vanish in the shadow*

Biro123 · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I always leave players alone that I see fighting. Sadly, it sometimes ends up biting me in the butt. The guy you left alone the last time you saw him, will casually chase you with 5+ from Fare to Brindle Church.

Basically give everyone that's alone, a chance. I don't know how many times I approached a resource with a horse - just to stand there for a bit and watch the guy 1vX. That's how I met one of my old friends. Saw him and another dude 2v5 some people. Later I ran into them again, while I was kiting 4-5 enemies(I was alone at that point). They helped me kill them(ofc green alliance<3) and at some point they made an AD character and we had some really good fun fighting together after.

Personally, everyone who attempts 1vX, 2vX or ~max 4 in group these days - deserves the courtesy of not being tryharded.
As Fasold states, with Open-World builds, most duels against equally skilled opponents, ends in a draw. Which is rather meh. I've attempted some solo-skirmishes recently on resources. It's fun for a couple of minutes, when you fight off 2-3-4 people. But then, for some reason, the people get triggered and decides to bring 10 next time around. (Is that resource tick really that juicy? xD)

If a person is fighting alone(Unless I recognise the name from a zerg), I rarely bother to get involved. Even though I do end up leaving zerglings alone at times, that, as I said, won't hesitate to zerg you down next time- I still think it's worth it. Because as it's been said time and time again: You usually don't beat equally skilled players in Open-World builds.

That’s what I do too. I don’t attack a single player unless it’s a 1v1 or he attacks me. I thoroughly hate to get zerged down, so I don’t do it to others unless provoked.

I don't.

I mean, I'm always solo. Always. But if I run into greater numbers (or they run into me) I fully expect to get zerged down and don't have a problem with it.
And on that same note, I have no problem whatsoever attacking someone who is alone or outnumbered.
What I do hate are those awkward 'do I fight or not?, Will my ally hate me if I don't help him?' situations, so I just keep it simple... My colour, I help, otherwise attack.

I mean I had a really weird situation last week bumped into a solo AD mDK player at a Fare resource. I was alone, so did what I always do -attacked him. But he was just jumping up and down blocking and healing etc.. I thought what's he doing? Doesn't he want to fight? Plus once he turtles up, I wasn't making much of a dent so I just put it down to weird and buggered off and left him. Went to another resource and bumped into more DC who were pushing in and getting ready to siege..
Same MDK comes out of keep (along with other AD players I might add). So I (and my allies) attacked an killed them. Multiple times, then set up siege..
But the salty whispers I got from him were unreal!

I mean I've no idea what he wanted, but he didn't seem to want to 1v1, didn't like being outnumbered at a keep being sieged...
I got the impression he only wanted to 1vX terrible players..and wasn't happy that I spoilt it by helping my faction actually play the campaign..

Times like that my 'stuff it, attack everything and keep my own faction happy' works well, because I simply KNOW that I'm playing the game as intended and therefore done nothing wrong.

AyelineESO · February 2018

Easy answer: Big Boss best player EU for all factions

/topic

Starlight_Knight · February 2018

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

For DC magicka warden i would add Calimantan because of his unique playstyle and ability to wipe more than 4 people with his ulti combo.

Good player but will wispier you with more salt and racism than is healthy to read in one go. A proper sore looser! he must be pretty close to being banned by now.