Stamblade is the strongest imho, nothing can stand in their combos, only the lag could prevent the death. Unfortunately the lag is so persistent nowadays that nerfed stamblades to ground, there is no need to whine.
But I don't get whats wrong with Stamsorc? I leveled one in the event and it turned to a decent troll build. I can sit and emote in a middle of a zerg ball, all my dots up, dropping an occasionally negate, streaking over them, turning in kill folks quest in every few minutes. Maybe he is not a typical duelist, but really shines in group play.
For me templars are the weakest, either version. I could not build anything fun and exceptional from them, yet.
Stam Blade > Everyone else sadly........ also its funny how most of the players that call for Nerf this class or that class nerf this sustain that sustain is majority of the times a Nightblade player...... if they cant kill someone few seconds after opening on him or suddenly cant abuse the broken Invis spam the enemy class or its Gear set Bonus suddenly needs a Nerf.....the best part is ? its usually the other classes self sustain they cry about... wonder why.....
yes i HATE nightblades...
Openworld solo:
- Stamwarden
- Stamblade
- Magblade/Magsorc/Stamplar
- Stam sorc/Stam DK/MagWarden
- Mag DK/Mag Templar
Openworld group:
- Magplar/Magsorc
- Magden/Stamden/Magblade
- Else (Everything else can provide something, but not unique/best)
- StamDK
Duels:
- MagDK
- Stamden/Magden
- Magblade/Magsorc
- Stamplar/Magplar
- Stamsorc/NB
- StamDK
Dottzgaming wrote: »Openworld solo:
- Stamwarden
- Stamblade
- Magblade/Magsorc/Stamplar
- Stam sorc/Stam DK/MagWarden
- Mag DK/Mag Templar
Openworld group:
- Magplar/Magsorc
- Magden/Stamden/Magblade
- Else (Everything else can provide something, but not unique/best)
- StamDK
Duels:
- MagDK
- Stamden/Magden
- Magblade/Magsorc
- Stamplar/Magplar
- Stamsorc/NB
- StamDK
From my experiences in game, gonna have to give this list a +1.
Dottzgaming wrote: »Openworld solo:
- Stamwarden
- Stamblade
- Magblade/Magsorc/Stamplar
- Stam sorc/Stam DK/MagWarden
- Mag DK/Mag Templar
Openworld group:
- Magplar/Magsorc
- Magden/Stamden/Magblade
- Else (Everything else can provide something, but not unique/best)
- StamDK
Duels:
- MagDK
- Stamden/Magden
- Magblade/Magsorc
- Stamplar/Magplar
- Stamsorc/NB
- StamDK
From my experiences in game, gonna have to give this list a +1.
Mageblade is behind no one, in large AvA groups. Bomblades bring way more than Sorcs who basically bring ... Negates. PBAoEs with heals, better ulti regen, more bust. Duels ranking is bit messed up too, heavy armor Stamblades and PetSorcs are far more formidable than any variety of Warden. I don't believe I've seen any Wardens finish high in the duelling tourneys.
Besides that it's a good list.
I suppose MagBlade could be higher in AvA, but sorcs pull off bombs around the same level, destro ult, streak to counter roots/snares and high damage, then the obvious of encase and negate both very needed.. The only place I could say that NBs are noticeably better are by stealthing around to surround, ult gen is negligible since groups don't always drop ults on CD.
Petsorc I would agree with fully. But heavy stamblade less so. Sure defile+maim is strong, but warden can counter dodge completely with bird, can use assault to land massive burst on blocking targets and also has an area of defile. The lack of CC is quite noticeable, but using dizzy (or magshalk) and spikes as a talons like ability allows them to decently lock down opponents. Shield allows them to generate ulti like mad, and shut down ranged builds. Also, bear.
They have the ability to turtle harder than heavy stamblade, and deal similar damage. Though excessive turtling is often against the rules in a tourney.
Waffennacht wrote: »Stam NB - the use of cloak (pre initial combat) Incap and surprise attack might as well be bypassing 1 GCD, then your CC break is another GCD, you're dead then
Warden - Shalk bypasses GCD and can be activated in LoS,
DK - unblockable CC, combined with meteor you bypass GCD for unblockable DMG
Templar - ... Your burst gives CC immunity without CC, nothing to bypass block, PoTL closest thing to bypassing GCD
Sorc - Curse, and Rune bypass block and GCD
This is PvP. You bypass GCD to kill, meaning Shieldstackers can only be proactive (meaning you should time/engage for immediate kills)
Lack of mobility and lack of GCD makes Templar get a low rating, Sorc being purgeable and dodgeable lowers it's value.
Sorcs aren't OP
Waffennacht wrote: »Stam NB - the use of cloak (pre initial combat) Incap and surprise attack might as well be bypassing 1 GCD, then your CC break is another GCD, you're dead then
Warden - Shalk bypasses GCD and can be activated in LoS,
DK - unblockable CC, combined with meteor you bypass GCD for unblockable DMG
Templar - ... Your burst gives CC immunity without CC, nothing to bypass block, PoTL closest thing to bypassing GCD
Sorc - Curse, and Rune bypass block and GCD
This is PvP. You bypass GCD to kill, meaning Shieldstackers can only be proactive (meaning you should time/engage for immediate kills)
Lack of mobility and lack of GCD makes Templar get a low rating, Sorc being purgeable and dodgeable lowers it's value.
Sorcs aren't OP
Cloak literally eats inbound frags, if a sorc consistently lands them unblocked you’re being outplayed.
DK has a 6 second reflect and usually block heavily.
That just leaves other sorcs. Sorc v sorc with 3 shields usually lasts forever so the burst isn’t that deadly. Stam sorc is the only class without a reasonable counter other than dodge roll.
It's not that Nightblades suck, it's that the majority of people playing them suck.
Either it's new people, people expecting them to have an iwin button like some other classes, lag, or just too high of a skill ceiling.
But at least on AD, it feels like 90% are Nightblades & maybe 2% that are good.
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Stam NB - the use of cloak (pre initial combat) Incap and surprise attack might as well be bypassing 1 GCD, then your CC break is another GCD, you're dead then
Warden - Shalk bypasses GCD and can be activated in LoS,
DK - unblockable CC, combined with meteor you bypass GCD for unblockable DMG
Templar - ... Your burst gives CC immunity without CC, nothing to bypass block, PoTL closest thing to bypassing GCD
Sorc - Curse, and Rune bypass block and GCD
This is PvP. You bypass GCD to kill, meaning Shieldstackers can only be proactive (meaning you should time/engage for immediate kills)
Lack of mobility and lack of GCD makes Templar get a low rating, Sorc being purgeable and dodgeable lowers it's value.
Sorcs aren't OP
Cloak literally eats inbound frags, if a sorc consistently lands them unblocked you’re being outplayed.
DK has a 6 second reflect and usually block heavily.
That just leaves other sorcs. Sorc v sorc with 3 shields usually lasts forever so the burst isn’t that deadly. Stam sorc is the only class without a reasonable counter other than dodge roll.
@Lexxypwns I was just listing killing components that each class utilizes to kill.
From what I'm seeing, an ability to bypass GCD is the crucial part of any successful PvP build.
Meaning, any class without the ability to bypass GCD is at a strict disadvantage and could never be placed too high
- why Templars are nowhere near the top on anyone's list
Edit: as a killing spec, Templars of course can do a lot in a group
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Stam NB - the use of cloak (pre initial combat) Incap and surprise attack might as well be bypassing 1 GCD, then your CC break is another GCD, you're dead then
Warden - Shalk bypasses GCD and can be activated in LoS,
DK - unblockable CC, combined with meteor you bypass GCD for unblockable DMG
Templar - ... Your burst gives CC immunity without CC, nothing to bypass block, PoTL closest thing to bypassing GCD
Sorc - Curse, and Rune bypass block and GCD
This is PvP. You bypass GCD to kill, meaning Shieldstackers can only be proactive (meaning you should time/engage for immediate kills)
Lack of mobility and lack of GCD makes Templar get a low rating, Sorc being purgeable and dodgeable lowers it's value.
Sorcs aren't OP
Cloak literally eats inbound frags, if a sorc consistently lands them unblocked you’re being outplayed.
DK has a 6 second reflect and usually block heavily.
That just leaves other sorcs. Sorc v sorc with 3 shields usually lasts forever so the burst isn’t that deadly. Stam sorc is the only class without a reasonable counter other than dodge roll.
@Lexxypwns I was just listing killing components that each class utilizes to kill.
From what I'm seeing, an ability to bypass GCD is the crucial part of any successful PvP build.
Meaning, any class without the ability to bypass GCD is at a strict disadvantage and could never be placed too high
- why Templars are nowhere near the top on anyone's list
Edit: as a killing spec, Templars of course can do a lot in a group
Waffennacht wrote: »I feel that NBs, Wardens, and DKs are the only classes that aren't pigeonholed.
When I go Templar I feel 8 of my abilities are preselected, when I go sorc all my slots are pre selected and my armor choices are pre selected.
On the other classes I feel like I have enough options to actually make something fun and tailored
On magplar it's healer or jabs
On sorc it's Curse Frag Wrath
Waffennacht wrote: »I feel that NBs, Wardens, and DKs are the only classes that aren't pigeonholed.
When I go Templar I feel 8 of my abilities are preselected, when I go sorc all my slots are pre selected and my armor choices are pre selected.
On the other classes I feel like I have enough options to actually make something fun and tailored
On magplar it's healer or jabs
On sorc it's Curse Frag Wrath
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Stam NB - the use of cloak (pre initial combat) Incap and surprise attack might as well be bypassing 1 GCD, then your CC break is another GCD, you're dead then
Warden - Shalk bypasses GCD and can be activated in LoS,
DK - unblockable CC, combined with meteor you bypass GCD for unblockable DMG
Templar - ... Your burst gives CC immunity without CC, nothing to bypass block, PoTL closest thing to bypassing GCD
Sorc - Curse, and Rune bypass block and GCD
This is PvP. You bypass GCD to kill, meaning Shieldstackers can only be proactive (meaning you should time/engage for immediate kills)
Lack of mobility and lack of GCD makes Templar get a low rating, Sorc being purgeable and dodgeable lowers it's value.
Sorcs aren't OP
Cloak literally eats inbound frags, if a sorc consistently lands them unblocked you’re being outplayed.
DK has a 6 second reflect and usually block heavily.
That just leaves other sorcs. Sorc v sorc with 3 shields usually lasts forever so the burst isn’t that deadly. Stam sorc is the only class without a reasonable counter other than dodge roll.
@Lexxypwns I was just listing killing components that each class utilizes to kill.
From what I'm seeing, an ability to bypass GCD is the crucial part of any successful PvP build.
Meaning, any class without the ability to bypass GCD is at a strict disadvantage and could never be placed too high
- why Templars are nowhere near the top on anyone's list
Edit: as a killing spec, Templars of course can do a lot in a group
Why does everyone talk as though Backlash and the numerous things you can combine with it don't exist? Templars (mag and stam) have some of the game's best ways of piling damage into a single GCD.
Openworld solo:
- Stamwarden
- Stamblade
- Magblade/Magsorc/Stamplar
- Stam sorc/Stam DK/MagWarden
- Mag DK/Mag Templar
Openworld group:
- Magplar/Magsorc
- Magden/Stamden/Magblade
- Else (Everything else can provide something, but not unique/best)
- StamDK
Duels:
- MagDK
- Stamden/Magden
- Magblade/Magsorc
- Stamplar/Magplar
- Stamsorc/NB
- StamDK