Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.

Brass/impreg offer similar mitigation as wizard reposte (as determined in the PvP threads). Only difference is those are selfish sets with zero group support.

I'm running a magplar using fortified brass and WM..can someone explain why wizards is better for defence.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

The debuff this set gives lasts 15 seconds and refreshes constantly, it even lasts after I kill the person wearing it. Where is my reward for focusing the debuffer? 15% is a huge amount of damage to lose.

Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.

what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.

If you killed the person using this supposedly OP set, then it's strength probably comparable to the set you are wearing.

And the debuff by this set is not 15%. It begins at about 10% and is subject to diminishing returns the more buffs/debuffs are in play.

Think its pretty unhelpful to say its not 15%, it is 15% but as said subject to diminishing returns just as all forms of damage mitigation is, but its still 15%. Also think, for those that do, that its really unhelpful to say its less in PvP cause of the base 50% reduction, its still as strong, just got to think of the damage after that 50% as the base. Though if you want to combine it with all variables included in damage taken, which is A LOT of variables, then yes you do have to account for it cause of where it is in the formulas.

It's all about perspective.

The tooltip says I take 15% less damage from players.

That's dubious at best and specious at worst. If I wear some other set and get hit from an attack that deals 1000 damage, if I wore Riposte I typically get hit for 900. That's not 15% and I think it's even more unhelpful to keep using that value.

This set and the fact that it can proc on shields need to be changed.

Joy_Division wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

The debuff this set gives lasts 15 seconds and refreshes constantly, it even lasts after I kill the person wearing it. Where is my reward for focusing the debuffer? 15% is a huge amount of damage to lose.

Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.

what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.

If you killed the person using this supposedly OP set, then it's strength probably comparable to the set you are wearing.

And the debuff by this set is not 15%. It begins at about 10% and is subject to diminishing returns the more buffs/debuffs are in play.

Think its pretty unhelpful to say its not 15%, it is 15% but as said subject to diminishing returns just as all forms of damage mitigation is, but its still 15%. Also think, for those that do, that its really unhelpful to say its less in PvP cause of the base 50% reduction, its still as strong, just got to think of the damage after that 50% as the base. Though if you want to combine it with all variables included in damage taken, which is A LOT of variables, then yes you do have to account for it cause of where it is in the formulas.

It's all about perspective.

The tooltip says I take 15% less damage from players.

That's dubious at best and specious at worst. If I wear some other set and get hit from an attack that deals 1000 damage, if I wore Riposte I typically get hit for 900. That's not 15% and I think it's even more unhelpful to keep using that value.

If you compare damage taken without maim and then with maim with no other difference than the damage you take from the first and the second will be lowered by 15% its exactly what the debuff said it would do. So really the tooltip is accurate, its just that when compare damage taken with no mitigation and then swapping in and our maim with the rest of your mitigation your total won't change that much, and depending on what your total is then yea it might not add that much. Still think that saying its not 15% is very inaccurate, cause it always is 15%, it just depends on what its 15% of.

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

Forum threads like this are how things get nerfed. I guess I'm lucky I already have gold transmutation to swap out, thanks for making the decision easy on me!
Please let me know if I'm easier to kill now.

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever.

What do you mean by "somewhat reliable?" And every class has access to the support skill line purge.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile.

Since your "offensive transition" involves putting down AoEs (Wall, Caltrops) and well as DoTs on your opponent and you can't purge those, going defensive does little to Durok's. Not to mention that if your team has Sorcs with Boundless/Hurricane or DKs with Razor Armor, they'll be perma-defiled so long as the opponent stays aggressive. Which is something entirely out of your control.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Disease enchant (if that's what you mean by weapon procs) procs Major, not Minor Defile. There are no skills in the game that proc Minor Defile, it's only accessible via poisons and Fassala and those Poisons are not the most common, not by a long shot. Not to mention the fact that poisons need weapon attacks, have a CD system and only proc on 1 target. Nothing comes close to Fassala.

And since Befoul passive is meta, because it scales so high as well buffing heals, Fassala is extremely potent.

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever.

What do you mean by "somewhat reliable?" And every class has access to the support skill line purge.

An on demand purge that is likely to actually to remove the critical debuff. If you actually understood what I wrote you should be aware I mentioned Efficient Purge myself indirectly; but it's very expensive and removes only 2 debuffs. Blue Betty is free but removes only one.
You literally said "PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile." This is simply untrue because few builds actually involve a purge in the first place.

Indeed, not only is purge very very rare on non healer builds, its also extremely expensive. If you cleanse the Minor Maim from Wizards or the Major Defile from Duroks then its gonna be almost immediately back up again anyway, trying to purge it to keep it off will just render you out of magicka. 1s cooldown or is it 2? wiki says 1s, will basically cause it to always be up on you in a 1v1 and have a very high uptime on small group play, but the 15s with no cooldown on from Wizards, considering the average crit chance will leave it almost always on you no matter how much you purge it. Efficient morph or not the alliance war support skill purge is not a valid counter to Wizards or Duroks cause of their ease of procing and duration vs the cost of purge.

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever.

What do you mean by "somewhat reliable?" And every class has access to the support skill line purge.

An on demand purge that is likely to actually to remove the critical debuff. If you actually understood what I wrote you should be aware I mentioned Efficient Purge myself indirectly; but it's very expensive and removes only 2 debuffs. Blue Betty is free but removes only one.
You literally said "PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile." This is simply untrue because few builds actually involve a purge in the first place.

What are you talking about? You said, "There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever." It sounds like you are saying that there isn't any purge for stamina builds outside of Templar. Yes there is, and it's in the support skill line. It's expensive and costs magicka, but stamina builds can absolutely make use of it. You are aware that stamina characters can cast skills that use magicka, no?

And I don't care how many total builds use a purge. It's a smart to purge, or at least have someone doing it for you. Purging is a great counter to some of the debuffs being talked about in this thread.

Waffennacht wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever.

What do you mean by "somewhat reliable?" And every class has access to the support skill line purge.

An on demand purge that is likely to actually to remove the critical debuff. If you actually understood what I wrote you should be aware I mentioned Efficient Purge myself indirectly; but it's very expensive and removes only 2 debuffs. Blue Betty is free but removes only one.
You literally said "PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile." This is simply untrue because few builds actually involve a purge in the first place.

What are you talking about? You said, "There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever." It sounds like you are saying that there isn't any purge for stamina builds outside of Templar. Yes there is, and it's in the support skill line. It's expensive and costs magicka, but stamina builds can absolutely make use of it. You are aware that stamina characters can cast skills that use magicka, no?

And I don't care how many total builds use a purge. It's a smart to purge, or at least have someone doing it for you. Purging is a great counter to some of the debuffs being talked about in this thread.

It's a very poor decision to use the alliance purge skill in almost every scenario

Its a skill for a dedicated group healer for group PvP, not for solo play, as has been said by multiple people now, its not skill used by a lot of people for obvious reasons.

@GrumpyDuckling with the speed of wish Wizards and Duroks can be reapplied on to you, using Purge, even efficient purge will force you to run out of magicka very quickly if you intend to always purge the negative effects off of you. And if you only use it sometimes then whats the point? The debuff is gonna be on you all the time then anyway. The way that Wizards and Duroks is right now, Purge is not an acceptable counter to them.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's so annoying when people complain about Wizard's Riposte, without also complaining about offensive sets.

Why aren't you complaining about Slimecraw? It's a 2 piece set with permanent up-time on Minor Berserk (8% damage), without any condition of having to be attacked and crit against for it to activate.

At least be consistent with your complaining.

It's different to Slimecraw because it applies to many opponents and your whole team benefits from it, not just you. It would be similar to Slimecraw, if Slimecraw gave Minor Berserk to every friendly around you. Or if the debuff from Wiz Riposte only reduced damage directed towards the wearer instead of everyone, like Minor Protection.

Wizard's Riposte falls into the category of AoE debuff sets. Like Fassala's Guile, Durok's Bane, Knightmare and Healing Mage.

Quite frankly, nowhere near as bad as the first two in that list. One is literally an AoE debuff (lol) and the other procs on any type of damage, so basically always. And dealing reduced damage is not the end of the world, many skills maim you already you can still kill people fine. But if you can't heal....

Fassalla's Guile and Durok's Bane really aren't as strong as you're making them seem due to the way that PVP is played.

PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile. The set you should probably be more concerned about is Cyrodiil's Crest, which allows the enemy to control when they want to tag you with Major Defile, and do so with any melee hit at any time they want in their rotation. Yes, it has a 5 second cooldown, but it's much more lethal when used correctly in a fight (example: right after you cleanse and think you have a few seconds of breathing room).

The Minor Defile from Fasalla's isn't all that strong/rare. You can get tagged with that from a weapon proc, or even a poison skill. No big deal. So if the enemy wants to burn through resources spamming gap close to keep the range-limited Minor Defile from Fasalla's on you, then there's a good chance they'll be low on resources when you counter.

Edit: If you'd like a better comparison than Wizard's Riposte and Slimecraw, then perhaps group-based skills like Igenous Weapons and Expansive Frost Cloak make more sense. Although, if we're just talking about sets then we could also throw in sets like Spell Power Cure, Meritorious Service, and Powerful Assault.

There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever.

What do you mean by "somewhat reliable?" And every class has access to the support skill line purge.

An on demand purge that is likely to actually to remove the critical debuff. If you actually understood what I wrote you should be aware I mentioned Efficient Purge myself indirectly; but it's very expensive and removes only 2 debuffs. Blue Betty is free but removes only one.
You literally said "PVP is often about offensive and defensive transitions, and when experienced players get defensive it usually involves a cleanse that completely wipes the defile from Durok's, rendering it useless to the opponent, who is now trying to burst you without Major Defile." This is simply untrue because few builds actually involve a purge in the first place.

What are you talking about? You said, "There is one class that has a somewhat reliable purge and at least for stam builds that aren't templars, there is no accessible on demand purge whatsoever." It sounds like you are saying that there isn't any purge for stamina builds outside of Templar. Yes there is, and it's in the support skill line. It's expensive and costs magicka, but stamina builds can absolutely make use of it. You are aware that stamina characters can cast skills that use magicka, no?

And I don't care how many total builds use a purge. It's a smart to purge, or at least have someone doing it for you. Purging is a great counter to some of the debuffs being talked about in this thread.

It's a very poor decision to use the alliance purge skill in almost every scenario

Its a skill for a dedicated group healer for group PvP, not for solo play, as has been said by multiple people now, its not skill used by a lot of people for obvious reasons.

@GrumpyDuckling with the speed of wish Wizards and Duroks can be reapplied on to you, using Purge, even efficient purge will force you to run out of magicka very quickly if you intend to always purge the negative effects off of you. And if you only use it sometimes then whats the point? The debuff is gonna be on you all the time then anyway. The way that Wizards and Duroks is right now, Purge is not an acceptable counter to them.

The discussion about purging started when someone was voicing concern about not being able to heal. I mentioned that Durok's wasn't as big a deal as people are making it out to be because it's as simple as purging it away once and not attacking the Durok's user while you are being defensive/focused on (because it requires the user to be attacked to activate). In that scenario, Durok's is less effective than enemy skills which apply Major Defile, and even the set Cyrodiil's Crest - so I don't understand the complaining about Durok's.

Wizard's Riposte complaints just don't make sense unless people want to also complain about sets like Rattlecage, Dreugh King Slayer, Slimecraw, Spell Power Cure, Powerful Assualt, and Meritorious Service. Or even skills like Igneous Weapons and and Frost Cloak.