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Wizards Riposte is kinda broken.
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The debuff this set gives lasts 15 seconds and refreshes constantly, it even lasts after I kill the person wearing it. Where is my reward for focusing the debuffer? 15% is a huge amount of damage to lose.
Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.
what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.
Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.
what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.
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DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the duration needs to be lowered aswell for how easy it is to proc.Vyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh you mean how everybody else feels like when fighting a NB that uses Fear and Shadow Image and leaves you permanently Maimed? Welcome to the suck.
No doubt, the set is super strong. One of the best sets for magicka PvP builds. Having at least one person in group running it is so sweet. Broken though, no.
Try looking at Duroks Bane instead where you lose >30% healing permanently, every time you even touch the target. No crits required.
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh you mean how everybody else feels like when fighting a NB that uses Fear and Shadow Image and leaves you permanently Maimed? Welcome to the suck.
No doubt, the set is super strong. One of the best sets for magicka PvP builds. Having at least one person in group running it is so sweet. Broken though, no.
Try looking at Duroks Bane instead where you lose >30% healing permanently, every time you even touch the target. No crits required.
Durok´s Bane was the first set I farmed when One Tamriel came out. A very strong set indeed......0 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh you mean how everybody else feels like when fighting a NB that uses Fear and Shadow Image and leaves you permanently Maimed? Welcome to the suck.
No doubt, the set is super strong. One of the best sets for magicka PvP builds. Having at least one person in group running it is so sweet. Broken though, no.
Try looking at Duroks Bane instead where you lose >30% healing permanently, every time you even touch the target. No crits required.
That's a different story.PC EU0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If I can't crit someone's shield then riposte shouldn't proc from hitting those shields.Edited by Koolio on December 28, 2017 2:50PM4 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The debuff this set gives lasts 15 seconds and refreshes constantly, it even lasts after I kill the person wearing it. Where is my reward for focusing the debuffer? 15% is a huge amount of damage to lose.
Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.
what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.
If you killed the person using this supposedly OP set, then it's strength probably comparable to the set you are wearing.
And the debuff by this set is not 15%. It begins at about 10% and is subject to diminishing returns the more buffs/debuffs are in play.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't see why this set is a problem.
I've played magsorc builds with and without wizard's riposte, and there are definitely better builds out there not involving wizard's riposte for magsorc. Wizard's riposte is a good counter to shitblades that either try to gank, or play with too much sustain. Or in general players that build too defensively and rely on numbers.
I've had little problem facing many magsorcs as stamnb wearing this set.The Age of Wrobel.2 -
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^ exactly thisOh you mean how everybody else feels like when fighting a NB that uses Fear and Shadow Image and leaves you permanently Maimed? Welcome to the suck.
No doubt, the set is super strong. One of the best sets for magicka PvP builds. Having at least one person in group running it is so sweet. Broken though, no.
Try looking at Duroks Bane instead where you lose >30% healing permanently, every time you even touch the target. No crits required.
There’s so much else in this game that is actually far more powerful and *not* obtainable from a variety of other skills/status effects/sets. Sure it is a pretty great set, but so are all of the sets ppl use these days in PvP.... like mainly those ridiculous Heavy Armor sets that grant you 400-600 base Weapon Damage. Crazy
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 28, 2017 4:43PM0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't see why this set is a problem.
I've played magsorc builds with and without wizard's riposte, and there are definitely better builds out there not involving wizard's riposte for magsorc. Wizard's riposte is a good counter to shitblades that either try to gank, or play with too much sustain. Or in general players that build too defensively and rely on numbers.
I've had little problem facing many magsorcs as stamnb wearing this set.
I think the complains happen because of two factors.
1. It applies to so many people that it's one of the best sets to have one wear in small group PvP, especially if you don't have a DK with Choking Talons
2. It procs on shields despite the shields not taking damage.
You're right, for solo players I agree there are better sets for Mag Sorcs to wear. Can't say it's OP at all on 1v1 when for example half the stam builds get it Heroic Slash or NBs/DKs get it from their own skills. You're giving up a 5-set bonus for something the others easily acquire with a skill.
But, if you're a Sorc in 4-man premade in BGs or Cyro, it's a hard set to beat. Great uptime, applies to melee and ranged enemies, allows your MagDKs to use Burning Talons that really amp the damage.
It's great, let's be honest. But I don't think it's broken either.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Edited by Maulkin on December 28, 2017 5:01PMEU | PC | AD10 -
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✭Minor Maim is broken, it should be 8% (the opposite of Minor Berserk, that grants 8% damage bonus). About the duraiton of Wizard's Riposte, a 6 seconds duration is more than enought, any decent player can keep the uptime with that duration.0 -
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✭✭I don't see why this set is a problem.
I've played magsorc builds with and without wizard's riposte, and there are definitely better builds out there not involving wizard's riposte for magsorc. Wizard's riposte is a good counter to shitblades that either try to gank, or play with too much sustain. Or in general players that build too defensively and rely on numbers.
I've had little problem facing many magsorcs as stamnb wearing this set.
I think the complains happen because of two factors.
1. It applies to so many people that it's one of the best sets to have one wear in small group PvP, especially if you don't have a DK with Choking Talons
2. It procs on shields despite the shields not taking damage.
You're right, for solo players I agree there are better sets for Mag Sorcs to wear. Can't say it's OP at all on 1v1 when for example half the stam builds get it Heroic Slash or NBs/DKs get it from their own skills. You're giving up a 5-set bonus for something the others easily acquire with a skill.
But, if you're a Sorc in 4-man premade in BGs or Cyro, it's a hard set to beat. Great uptime, applies to melee and ranged enemies, allows your MagDKs to use Burning Talons that really amp the damage.
It's great, let's be honest. But I don't think it's broken either.
Yeah it is pretty great and those 2 factors are what keep it being useful on magsorc, and in small group comp. I used to have a really good zerg kiting magsorc build using wizard's, that worked really well during Morrowind but for many reasons does not anymore. That was about the only time where I'd say this set was a top pick for me on solo magsorc.
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
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✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
Heroic costs [snip] all for what it does. Using a cost comparison with the cheapest stam skill makes it even more laughable.
Riposte is punishing you for focusing the wearer. If you're still focusing him, maybe it's not the design that's dumb eh?
Edited by Maulkin on December 28, 2017 5:35PMEU | PC | AD13 -
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✭✭✭Minor Maim is broken, it should be 8% (the opposite of Minor Berserk, that grants 8% damage bonus). About the duraiton of Wizard's Riposte, a 6 seconds duration is more than enought, any decent player can keep the uptime with that duration.
Well minor protection is 8% and is probably the one considered its opposite. Damage Taken vs Damage Done. Though Major Beserk is 25% and Major Protection is 30%, it does however still fit better than Main as the opposite, but then would vulnerability be the opposite of Maim? Or should it be the opposite? Either way the % does not match any of the combinations in regards to that, Though I guess vulnerability and protection does in its Minor but considering Vulnerability does not have a Major its just as valid as the other combo. Maim is the odd one out in terms of Minor, but then again there is no opposite for Sorcery and Brutality so most likely Minor Maim is pulling double duty on that, which does makes sense.3 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's a very strong set indeed, 100% uptime on all targets that look at you is a little excessive.
Maybe introduce a cooldown - duration of 8 seconds, can only occur once every 12 seconds per target.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Minor Maim is broken, it should be 8% (the opposite of Minor Berserk, that grants 8% damage bonus). About the duraiton of Wizard's Riposte, a 6 seconds duration is more than enought, any decent player can keep the uptime with that duration.
It's hard to defend the % of reduction when compared to vulnerability, protection and berserk. Have to agree with that.
Though if 6" were to easy to keep up permanently I don't see the point in the duration nerf. Anyway buff/debuff durations also need aligning a bit. Not talking strictly about the Minor/Major stuff, either. You have some sets with 5" duration (for example BSW) and some with 10" (like Truth or Ravager)
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✭✭✭✭✭The can nerf this set right around the same time they nerf Shield Breaker...#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
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✭Riposte >>>> Bane for the plain fact that it gives massive mitigation combined with the baked in offense of light armor and its secondary set bonuses. Players wearing durok make more sacrfices to their overall builds than riposte users which is why you see bane show up in duels or on tanks almost exclusively. Throwing riposte on any mag build is almost always a good call, can't say the same for Durok.0 -
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✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »The debuff this set gives lasts 15 seconds and refreshes constantly, it even lasts after I kill the person wearing it. Where is my reward for focusing the debuffer? 15% is a huge amount of damage to lose.
Can the duration be toned down to 6 seconds? atm as a stamnb this is ruining my damage it has a 100% up time.. should i just avoid fighting for 15+ seconds til the buff ends ? to have it re apply after one light attack ? kinda strong.
what do you guys think? I think the set is great, but the duration should be lowered.
If you killed the person using this supposedly OP set, then it's strength probably comparable to the set you are wearing.
And the debuff by this set is not 15%. It begins at about 10% and is subject to diminishing returns the more buffs/debuffs are in play.
Think its pretty unhelpful to say its not 15%, it is 15% but as said subject to diminishing returns just as all forms of damage mitigation is, but its still 15%. Also think, for those that do, that its really unhelpful to say its less in PvP cause of the base 50% reduction, its still as strong, just got to think of the damage after that 50% as the base. Though if you want to combine it with all variables included in damage taken, which is A LOT of variables, then yes you do have to account for it cause of where it is in the formulas.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
Heroic costs [snip] all for what it does. Using a cost comparison with the cheapest stam skill makes it even more laughable.
Riposte is punishing you for focusing the wearer. If you're still focusing him, maybe it's not the design that's dumb eh?
Oh yes we should totally leave that magsorc and focus the mDk instead...0 -
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✭✭✭Minor Maim is broken, it should be 8% (the opposite of Minor Berserk, that grants 8% damage bonus). About the duraiton of Wizard's Riposte, a 6 seconds duration is more than enought, any decent player can keep the uptime with that duration.
It's hard to defend the % of reduction when compared to vulnerability, protection and berserk. Have to agree with that.
Though if 6" were to easy to keep up permanently I don't see the point in the duration nerf. Anyway buff/debuff durations also need aligning a bit. Not talking strictly about the Minor/Major stuff, either. You have some sets with 5" duration (for example BSW) and some with 10" (like Truth or Ravager)
As I said in previous comment, since there is no opposite of Sorcery and Brutality its most likely so that the 15% of Minor Maim is to account for that and the 8% of Berserk. Or would you count the weakening enchantment as their opposite? Cause I wouldn't.
Also yes, with the average players crit chance a change from 15s to 6s would do very little, something I have mentioned in other threads regarding this set, however something like 2-3s would be more like it. It would be more like how Fasallas used to be with, this could also potentially create a style to counter it where you intentionally have low crit rate to further your base damage instead, and in CP Cyro where people uses the Crit ressit CP and Impen it could be a cool counter to that as well. Probably not a meta idea but I like the idea of something like that. But yea a change from 15s to 6s would do almost nothing.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If I can't crit someone's shield then riposte shouldn't proc from hitting those shields.
You can crit on shields, it just deals no bonus damage.
I also think it shouldn't proc on shields, but this may require reworking quite a few things, who are supposed to trigger on or by hitting shields to trigger crit related effects, such as Surge.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
Heroic costs [snip] all for what it does. Using a cost comparison with the cheapest stam skill makes it even more laughable.
Riposte is punishing you for focusing the wearer. If you're still focusing him, maybe it's not the design that's dumb eh?
Oh yes we should totally leave that magsorc and focus the mDk instead...
Don't worry, he'll Talon you to Maim you as well.EU | PC | AD5 -
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✭✭✭I think the fact that it procs on uncrittable damage shields is kinda stupid. The tooltip clearly states that its should proc on crit hit damage taken.
In comparison sets like scathing mage or briarheart that require crit hit damage done, will never proc on shields.
A little consistency would be great.Edited by Firstmep on December 28, 2017 6:56PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
Heroic costs [snip] all for what it does. Using a cost comparison with the cheapest stam skill makes it even more laughable.
Riposte is punishing you for focusing the wearer. If you're still focusing him, maybe it's not the design that's dumb eh?
Oh yes we should totally leave that magsorc and focus the mDk instead...
Don't worry, he'll Talon you to Maim you as well.
That is still not gonna maim everyone in my group for eternity.
You don't have enough brainpower to get it do you?
Im fine with a set giving you access to minor maim,
Im not fine with a set that gives good stats and on top of that turns you into a debuff dispenser, 15 seconds is insane, and it procs on EVERYONE. not just one attacker, because it has virtually no cooldown.
I realize the idea behind this set, Its noble, But it should not work on shields, and it should have less duration, 15 seconds is too damn long.Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 28, 2017 7:06PM0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Its outperforming sets like f.brass and impreg. Just ridicilous. This thread is on point. It needs a little change. Not a huge nerf, just a reduced time on minor maim.
Kinda meaningless comparison in my opinion. It's a set that gives Minor Maim. No more, no less. If we're saying that Minor Maim is stronger than Impreg or Brass then the problem is with either Minor Maim or those sets, but not with Wiz Riposte.
Like I said, it is an easily accessible debuff for tons of builds. Two classes have it built in their skills and Heroic Slash is a staple for most stam builds.
So to turn this around Heroic Slash provides more mitigation than Impreg or Brass, as well as doing very decent damage, giving a long-ass 60% snare for 12" and providing Minor Heroism. Just Ridiculous!! Nerf!
Heroic is single target and costs double of puncture.
Riposte is debuffing my entire group when someone on enemy decides to wear it. We are literally punished for focusing the light armor guy.
Dumb design is dumb.
Heroic costs [snip] all for what it does. Using a cost comparison with the cheapest stam skill makes it even more laughable.
Riposte is punishing you for focusing the wearer. If you're still focusing him, maybe it's not the design that's dumb eh?
Oh yes we should totally leave that magsorc and focus the mDk instead...
Don't worry, he'll Talon you to Maim you as well.
That is still not gonna maim everyone in my group for eternity.
It should leave you enough time between applications to come QQ on the forums about how you can't kill people cause you maimed.EU | PC | AD2
