I'm now low-key hoping to see The Infamous Build on one of my death recaps.

seriously ch4mp...you may be tank fodder in cyrodiil, but - you are most definitely elite in posting fun threads

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So you mean to tell me that all of a sudden Alteration Mastery and Seducer are bad on a MagDK, when as is DK’s have the most expensive skills in the game. And also happen to have really bad sustain naturally? Unless there’s some type of universal knowledge which was passed around while I spent months upon months mastering my craft in PvE, PvP felt the hard-hitting sustain changes with Morrowind just as much as we did on the PvE spectrum. And because HA had 1 of its passive changed, now sets like Seducer are bad? WTF? And a quick question. Why on Earth would I not run HA? I tried going the 5 light with all sturdy route, and it ended miserably. All it takes is to get feared, and or have something pop your guard. And voila. Just like that, you’re boned. So unless if people are dumping all their red CP into boosting crit resistance, HA with most traits being impenetrable seems to be the route to go.

Not that those sets are bad, they're just not very good. You've got a build with decent sustain and decent resistances, but you've got no damage and don't have the mitigation/tanking potential to hold off someone that does. These sorts of builds that fall between two stools are the types of builds that rely on numerical superiority and get beat when focused by players that have strong burst.

I am not an expert theory-crafter and there certainly are a lot of players better than me. That being said, I'd recommend people commit to a build that does something very well as opposed to trying to be decent at everything. As I said, I don't have the best build and I'm hardly an expert player, but I can say that an alteration mastery/heavy seducer build is not going to kill me unless I make a mistake or am in a bad circumstance. Against someone with a strong build who is highly skilled as appears to be going on in the OP, it isn't difficult for me to imagine him not dying and Leap + Execute + WW hide + Asylum Weapon getting kills against those sorts of builds.

I was under the impression that a big advantage of playing on consoles was that those platforms did not have to worry too much about stuff like cheats and hacks. I don't know, the last console I owned was none.

But I would not be so quick to assume that there is cheating. With the right confluences of factors, I can see a 7th/WW/Bloodspawn/Asylum DK racking up kills, particularly, if there is LOS and his opponents are in group builds unsuited to taking down single targets (since you seem to know what the others were doing, I'm guessing you were in a group). He won't have a problem with sustain because of Battleroar and CCing him without coordinated burst is just granting him 7 seconds of immunity.

And magplars absolutely cant get instant burst down. Magplars best defense is reactive: meaning they have no shield and are not blocking. Couple that with them being vamps with huge vulnerabilities, an unsuspecting magplar is extremely susceptible to CC + killing burst. Magplars are hard to kill when they know they are in trouble and "turtle" up, not when they feel safe and are committed to the offensive.

One other thing. As far as why on Earth would you not run Heavy Armor, the number one reason is you want to kill other players. People like to say heavy armor is OP on these forums, but they are over-generalizing. Certain specific heavy armor sets when used by certain builds by experienced players are very strong. Most of these are stamina-based and huge part of their strength derives from weaker players who proc powerful bonuses like Fury and 7th Legion. I would not just put on heavy because it's "tanky" since it really isn't by itself (gold cuirass offers 2772 resistance, Gold silk offers 1396, sounds like a big difference but is only a little more than 2% extra mitigation...heavy must be augmented by other defensive choices and player skill to offer powerful sustain/mitigation).

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm also aware @Ch4mpTW isn't the best PvPer, not knocking you @Ch4mpTW , but let's be real, you're more like my skill level than someone like Kodi, @zParallaxz etc

I assume with skill-level you mean exploiting certain gear-sets then yes, wich in fact ruins pvp.

Yesterday in Cyrodill we encountered many stamDK's with this type of build. I don't even bother to attack them anymore. Especially not solo. Ranged, they keep flapping and reflecting. Melee, I survive for 1 second due to fire stuff and hard hitting skills. First I thought it was me. Then I saw them tank 5-10 good PvP'ers and pick em off one by one.

Vapirko wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

There isn't any set that lets you 10v1 against good players. simple as that.
Its either cheat engine or you're all pugs. No class, not even stamden, can go ahead, permablock, and then kill 10 good players.
Something is off here. Again its either

A. cheats
B.exploit, bug.
C.Puggy eyes.

Even a good emperor only takes 4-5 coordinated people to kill.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Devil Grip/video/40044235

Not me and not emp but he does ZERO damage he has clips on his Xbox and he has taken on "tanked" 25+ ppl

I Don't see good players in that clip.

All I see are a bunch of pugs to be real.

and that thing, I cannot call it a sDK, It would be an insult to all the good sDks out the.. of wait.. they all rerolled stamdens. rofl.

If that’s the guy he’s running a pure tank build with mostly defensive skills in that vid. He’s alternating between resto ult and shield wall and those dudes are trying to Jesus beam at full health. When the ults come down he does take damage. Yes he’s def cheesing it in this clip, but that’s a combo of that and those guys taking the bait. I tanked 7 players on a light armor magblade yesterday without thee resto ult, just shield and healing ward. They had me out of stam and ccd so it’s not hard to imagine this guys avoiding that kind of damage with a stam DK tank build. Who can say for sure but in that clip it doesn’t look like cheating.

Most people can't even tell the obvious difference between a sDk an mDk anyways.
These type of talk builds always did exist, It only really works against potatoes and even then, you need to be worse than a pug to die to these.

I mean one of the guys is using a 2h, starts to dizzy swing, then starts spamming whip... 2h sDK using whip...

imredneckson wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Please secret, it’s a FoTM kodi build.
Nothing on Kodi, but ya it’s not some secret build lol it’s been sold out to the community via YouTube. Hence the massively uptake of standers in pvp.

It's not Kodi's take a look a Elusiveshady's stam DK tank

5 Seventh, 5 WW Hide back bar, asylum 2h, blood spawn/malubeth. 7 sturdy, sturdy + decisive sword and shield. 3 block cost reduction glyphs. Run defensive posture on back bar.

Join these threads to make fun of Ch4mp

Stay for the theorycrafting

Good stuff, carry on

Huyen wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm also aware @Ch4mpTW isn't the best PvPer, not knocking you @Ch4mpTW , but let's be real, you're more like my skill level than someone like Kodi, @zParallaxz etc

I assume with skill-level you mean exploiting certain gear-sets then yes, wich in fact ruins pvp.

Lol what gear sets?

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Until just a few seconds, I had heard of the build that everyone is talking about in which people run 2H and S&B while being completely immune to CC and damage for the most part. And is capable of dishing out skyhigh damage. I thought this was just a rumor, as Morrowind nerfed a lot of things. And how supposedly healing was nerfed in PvP. Boy oh boy was I mistaken...

This joker was at 30k HP, ran 2H and S&B, absorbed the damage of no lie 10 people wailing on him (colonels and above), and managed to kill us all no problem. He generated ultimate like nothing I have ever seen, and seemingly appeared to have no problems with sustain. Even though everyone is running resource poisons. It was a StamDK we were fighting by the way, and no. He wasn’t emperor. And no, we could barely CC him outside of an occasional Fossilize (which wasn’t that effective).

What type of super build is this, and why is it growing that popular all of a sudden? I usually duel in Auridon, and had heard of a growing trend in either StamDK’s or StamWardens with ridiculous sustain, damage, and healing. And are completely immune somewhat to resource poisons.

And before someone asks, no. They weren’t wearing Troll King. They were wearing Blood Spawn. Although, I have been noticing that Troll King’s usage has spiked ridiculously these past few weeks for whatever the reason in both duels and Cyrodiil.

Didn't you make a thread like a month ago claiming that DK was by far the worst class for PvP and was completely dead?

Edit: I looked back at the thread and you and I had an argument where you claimed that there were no longer any DKs running around Cyrodiil becsuse they are they are terrible compared to Nightblades and other classes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/379466/does-zos-actually-know-what-class-balance-is/p1

Come on Ch4mp, you just gonna ignore me like this???? Harsh.

I didn’t even notice that comment, to be honest. But, I still stick by my statement that I made in that thread. DK’s in my opinion are the worst class for PvP. Especially when compared to the others. When you have the benefits of running: A Sorc, Templar, Cheeseblade, or Warden — why else run a DK? Unless if you’re a true fan of the class (like me for example), there’s absolutely no logical reason to run a DK.

And as for the class being dead? I stick by that remark as well. DK’s are by far the least encountered class for myself and for those that I play with. Most are Nightblades (still). Then Templars, Sorcs, and Wardens in that order. With DK’s being of course in last. And even then with the DK’s I encounter, they fall into 1 of 2 categories. They’re either incredibly easy to defeat, and hardly worth an ultimate. Or, they are damn near juggernauts with insane “skill” or cheese or whatever it is you all on these forums would classify it as. And that’s it. There is no middle grounds. There doesn’t exist a so-so DK on PS4-NA Vivec. It’s either you get stomped, or you do the stomping. The days of being a so-so/moderately-skilled DK have long disappeared when Morrowind was ushered in.

Cheeseblade ?! You cut me deep brah ...