vHRC 2019: the Warrior depletes your stamina faster than your health, the group now has a main tank and 2 off-tanks that take turns dying and an off-healer with Kagrenac that resurrects them.

Ashtaris wrote: »

My thoughts? Again, this is another attempt to balance PVP at the great expense of PVE. I just wish ZOS would tie these nerfs to the Battle Spirit passive and leave PVE alone.

Awesomely agreed.

Rasimir wrote: »

My thoughts ? There are far more serious problems that need attention. But oh well ...

some of which have with us since beta.

but, hey, instead, let's nerf everyone to curtail the perceived advantages of small group of players.

yeah, that's the ticket.

I would love to see one of these threads where people don't ride the "It's PvP's players fault" bandwagon.

Morrowind's resource management patch hit the game, "It's because of PvP!" while in fact the PvP folks got penalized for a nerf to PvE 60k dps easy modes.

That said, putting PvP related nerfs in Battle spirit and having a clear divide between PvP and PvE ? Great fan of that, seems like a good solution, let's do it, even if just to avoid the very informed opinions(TM) of people that never even stepped into a vet trial (let alone tanked one) or PvP, but still know everything about it(TM).

Stay safe.

Reading through all these posts just made me think...

what would happen if you moved the block cost reduction CP node into the blue constellation? Wouldn't this mitigate a lot of the pvp problem of being able to permablock while dealing decent damage, and actually provide a slight buff to pve tanks?

scipionumatia wrote: »

@Nelson_Rebel I read the December notes but all that says is there will be "block cost changes". In fact wrobel replied to my post regarding block changes (because I also read "changes" but my brain processed "nerf") and he said block costs will be reduced by 20% and "will be a buff to anyone whos not using cost reduction jewelry" (this response can be found pg.4 of December combat updates)

If you saw something different please tell me but as of now I don't see anything suggesting its getting nerfed?

You didn't read the November thread. You also failed to read between the lines in the December thread.

Note the caveat that he added about the cost being reduced for people who are not using cost reduction enchantments. That clearly implies that people who are using those enchantments (e.g., every trial tank in PvE) are getting nerfed. He just has the political tact to not say that directly, and instead imply it indirectly by pointing at the exception.

If you had actually followed the discussion (by reading the November thread as well as the posts earlier in this thread talking about the implications of the change), then you'd know that they plan to change how block cost is calculated. They're not directly increasing the cost. They're changing the formulas behind cost reduction. The end result is that even with a 20% reduction in the base block cost, people who run cost reduction jewelry (which is pretty much every PvE tank) will see a substantial increase in cost. Of up to 4x. And this is after figuring in the 20% base cost reduction.

For people who don't use block cost jewelry, they will see lower costs. But if you're not running block cost jewelry, then you probably didn't care about block cost in the first place and are probably not a tank. So yes, there are people who are getting buffed by this change--mostly, the people who never cared about block cost in the first place because they aren't tanks.

They should leave the cost as it is and focus on how much damage can be mitigated, in PvP damage done and healing both have a reduction but they really need to have a look at adding a resistance/mitigation cap (I know there is but I read a recent post showing 80%+ reduction is possible in many ways, ).

As I said on a few other topics blocking mechanics should be changed in a number of ways. First make the recovery ticks kick in again immediately after releasing block. Second, decrease base block cost greatly, but add an increasing cost for blocking consecutive hits within a time window, pretty much like the defunct wrath passive worked, but in reverse. Change defensive stance in a way that decreases the cooldown for stacking cost and/or cost added. This way it will be balanced for PvP since slotting that means you can't slot a DPS skill.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Its [snip] on PvE tanks again. They already forced the meta change from 4 sturdy to all sturdy. If you are running block cost Jewelry you deserve to be able to block that much, you're giving up on alot of potential damage or potential regen.

as a tank in PvE you dont deal damage and your stam regen is pointless since regen is cut to 0 while blocking. Is amazing how most of the PvE players that you see complaining about changes don't even understand basic game mechanic.

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ccfeeling wrote: »

Its freaking hard to be a NB tank in BF HM, resource management is poor against dk and Warden unless i have some shards , so in the coming patch, i have to drop block a few sec?in BF?
Please correct me if im wrong.
Actually NB tank cannot be a perma block tank, we cant even do it, leeching has nerfed on the ground, but this is my main char, so i havnt give up but zos please respect NB tank, we may shine in pvp (some builds) but we are just soso in pve, im really getting tired with the nerfing.

Agreed. I'm finally getting back into tanking too.. just in time for this.

It's not even the incoming damage that worries me, it's the stuns. Having major evasion is great and all, and NB tanks can do fabulously in dungeons with large groups of weak enemies, but content with more than two heavy-hitters at the same time is becoming disproportionately difficult: Bloodroot for sure, but also normal trials like Sanctum Ophidia, with those 3 troll + "trash" pulls, or MoL with the ogres + dro-m'athra. There's no time to drop block for a light attack on my connection, even if I block cancel, and despite my ice staff back bar & tripots I'm running out of resources too often.

I miss homestead, even if my stam dps was meh I still had so much more fun while I was tanking.

ManDraKE wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Its [snip] on PvE tanks again. They already forced the meta change from 4 sturdy to all sturdy. If you are running block cost Jewelry you deserve to be able to block that much, you're giving up on alot of potential damage or potential regen.

as a tank in PvE you dont deal damage and your stam regen is pointless since regen is cut to 0 while blocking. Is amazing how most of the PvE players that you see complaining about changes don't even understand basic game mechanic.

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@ManDraKE Wow did you miss the mark, no one cares if PvE tanks can permablock, the crying is because PvP average players can’t kill blocking builds.

I also never said stamina regen, I just said regen. Most tanks wouldn’t mind a little extra mag regen, but most tanks manage that well enough. It’s amazing how often people run their mouths on threads when they don’t actually grasp the topic. Hey it’s even been me before too.

code65536 wrote: »

They're not directly increasing the cost. They're changing the formulas behind cost reduction. The end result is that even with a 20% reduction in the base block cost, people who run cost reduction jewelry (which is pretty much every PvE tank) will see a substantial increase in cost. Of up to 4x. And this is after figuring in the 20% base cost reduction.

For people who don't use block cost jewelry, they will see lower costs.

Interesting, so this will be a nerf for the extreme tank builds in PVP like Escorpiao Noturno and Hattori Hanzo who don't do hardly any damage... and everybody else who just uses some sturdy pieces will be able to block a bit longer.

I guess we will have to wait to try these changes on PTS. Personally I don't see how anyone had any problem with those kind of niche builds. They serve a purpose in AvA and are certainly sacrificing damage to be able to do that.