Should your highest mount speed apply to all toons?

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

Okay real talk.

The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.

They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?

Linaleah · December 2017

yes. I mean best case scenario is that you still pay the same amount, you just don't wait for it. essentially the way mount training books work, but with gold. which is why its unlikely to happen. and I can tell you right now, after leveling 8 characters the old fashioned way with number 9 in progress. this is one of THE top reason why I'm unlikely to level another alt (and as a consequence unlikely to buy more character slots) slow speeds suck. having less bag space - sucks. and it takes too darn long to get it up to par.

nnargun · December 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Okay real talk.

The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.

They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?

I will because otherwise my new PVP char is barely playable in Cyrodiil. I don't like it but I'm also not willing to wait 4 months. Crown sale comes handy.

Tavore1138 · December 2017

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

Linaleah · December 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

code65536 · December 2017

I create a bunch of characters. Don't level them. They just sit at level 5 or whatever, parked at the stable. By the time I go to actually level them months later, their mounts are trained.

Unfortunately, that requires that I make a character before I actually want to play that character. Which is fine--I've done that for most of mine. But I also have a few characters that were impulse creations, and those are a pain to play.

nnargun · December 2017

code65536 wrote: »

I create a bunch of characters. Don't level them. They just sit at level 5 or whatever, parked at the stable. By the time I go to actually level them months later, their mounts are trained.

Unfortunately, that requires that I make a character before I actually want to play that character. Which is fine--I've done that for most of mine. But I also have a few characters that were impulse creations, and those are a pain to play.

Very good idea. I will do that from now on. Thanks!

Tavore1138 · December 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

So, you know, don’t?

I have 10 toons, 5 are at CP, maybe 6 have top speed, maybe 3 have to everything for riding. I feel no obligation to go and do dailies on all of them every day or max/min my trait research realisation curves. I play a game as and when I choose with each toon different doing its own thing... this isn’t a job or some game where you can ‘win’, the prize is the pleasure of playing and there is very little in this game that is locked behind a horse upgrade.

Tavore1138 · December 2017

And to elaborate every shortcut, every ‘can’t this be account wide’ however seemingly trivial is ultimately less game to play.

nnargun · December 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

So, you know, don’t?

I have 10 toons, 5 are at CP, maybe 6 have top speed, maybe 3 have to everything for riding. I feel no obligation to go and do dailies on all of them every day or max/min my trait research realisation curves. I play a game as and when I choose with each toon different doing its own thing... this isn’t a job or some game where you can ‘win’, the prize is the pleasure of playing and there is very little in this game that is locked behind a horse upgrade.

Yeah for PVE it's just convenience. For PVP, however, speed and stamina are pretty vital.

Linaleah · December 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

So, you know, don’t?

I have 10 toons, 5 are at CP, maybe 6 have top speed, maybe 3 have to everything for riding. I feel no obligation to go and do dailies on all of them every day or max/min my trait research realisation curves. I play a game as and when I choose with each toon different doing its own thing... this isn’t a job or some game where you can ‘win’, the prize is the pleasure of playing and there is very little in this game that is locked behind a horse upgrade.

the pleasure of playing is not so pleasurable when my character is slow as molaces, gets knocked down if someone looks at them wrong and has 60 slots less worth of bagspace. like Code above - most of my characters set unplayed for MONTHS while I leveled their mounts. why? becasue when i tried playing them, i was not. having. fun. yes, it makes that much of a difference to me, especially after seeing how much nicer it is with fully upgraded mount.

I'm literally playing LESS game as long as my mount is not updated. quality over quantity, dude. there is nothing vurtuous about holding off fully upgrading mount for 6 months. there is a hell of a lot of a difference between being not having to wait for a fully upgraded mount for 6 month (or shelling out RL cash to speed up the process) and having say.. full cadwell's gold unlocked for account after doing it on one characters. logging in once a day to pay 250 gold to a vendor is NOT content. quests are content. dungeons are content. pvp, shard collecting, etc is counting. mount is just... a bother.

its nice and all that its not important to YOU. I am NOT you.

and to reiterate. I'm fine with paying gold. i'm just really really tired of waiting to pay that gold. which means fewer alts and as a consequence? less playing the game.

nihirisutou · December 2017

Make mounts a transferable item instead so you could share your mounts between Alts.

Resfeber · December 2017

Feric51 wrote: »

I've stated in other, similar threads that I think that each mount's speed/stam/bag should be account bound, however each different mount should have to be trained independently.

Example - Brown Sorrel Horse (BSH) is at 60/60/60 on character 1, all other characters should be able to access BSH and have it be fully trained. However, if you elect to purchase a Rainbow Brite Guar (RBG), you will now have to train it up for 180 days to get the same effect. Theoretically since the mounts are account bound, you're just accessing the same mount at your account stable (different rider - same mount), but why should a completely different mount be fully trained just because a certain rider sits on top?

That's my opinion anyway.

This is a great idea. This meets in the middle of "well we still have to train a fair amount of horses" and "Lets make this convenient for alts". I don't even pay attention to my riding skill on alts anymore, but this would make me do it. It adds value to the older horses I trained hard but rarely ride anymore and yet gives me motivation to train a new mount I'd like to ride regularly. I much rather work toward a few choice steeds that all my characters use.

I don't rp in ESO but I think it's also an RP benefit that I'd have old lady Res pass her prized steed or guar down to her nephew and other friends.

It also seems to hurt the least so long as we get to pick a mount that our current character's riding skills go on. Conceptually at least.

EvilAutoTech · December 2017

I'm fine with the time gate but at least let me pay the stable master up front. Here's my 45K gold. Done. Every time I log that toon in, it has an increased riding skill. It could be in order listed. Just a thought.

nnargun · December 2017

Resfeber wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

I've stated in other, similar threads that I think that each mount's speed/stam/bag should be account bound, however each different mount should have to be trained independently.

Example - Brown Sorrel Horse (BSH) is at 60/60/60 on character 1, all other characters should be able to access BSH and have it be fully trained. However, if you elect to purchase a Rainbow Brite Guar (RBG), you will now have to train it up for 180 days to get the same effect. Theoretically since the mounts are account bound, you're just accessing the same mount at your account stable (different rider - same mount), but why should a completely different mount be fully trained just because a certain rider sits on top?

That's my opinion anyway.

This is a great idea. This meets in the middle of "well we still have to train a fair amount of horses" and "Lets make this convenient for alts". I don't even pay attention to my riding skill on alts anymore, but this would make me do it. It adds value to the older horses I trained hard but rarely ride anymore and yet gives me motivation to train a new mount I'd like to ride regularly. I much rather work toward a few choice steeds that all my characters use.

I don't rp in ESO but I think it's also an RP benefit that I'd have old lady Res pass her prized steed or guar down to her nephew and other friends.

It also seems to hurt the least so long as we get to pick a mount that our current character's riding skills go on. Conceptually at least.

This will never happen though. How likely will people be to buy that new limited mount if they have to train it from scratch? Less likely than now at least. Much less probably. After all a new mount is just cosmetic change. And who wants to wait until 6 months after purchase to use the new fancy mount?
The problem is that the current concept is good easy money for ZOS. Noone will turn ESO the back because of the obligation to train on every new char. Instead many will buy the lessons imo.

wolf486 · December 2017

No, but I'd be ok if they allowed 2 upgrades a day for ESO+ members

nnargun · December 2017

wolf486 wrote: »

No, but I'd be ok if they allowed 2 upgrades a day for ESO+ members

Lol. Do you work for ZOS?

kargen27 · December 2017

Feric51 wrote: »

I've stated in other, similar threads that I think that each mount's speed/stam/bag should be account bound, however each different mount should have to be trained independently.

Example - Brown Sorrel Horse (BSH) is at 60/60/60 on character 1, all other characters should be able to access BSH and have it be fully trained. However, if you elect to purchase a Rainbow Brite Guar (RBG), you will now have to train it up for 180 days to get the same effect. Theoretically since the mounts are account bound, you're just accessing the same mount at your account stable (different rider - same mount), but why should a completely different mount be fully trained just because a certain rider sits on top?

That's my opinion anyway.

Because you are training the rider and not the mount? You put a person that has never ridden a horse on top of even the most well trained horse there is and chances are that rider is going to fall before the horse gets anywhere near top speed. So if we are using logic both the rider and the horse need to be trained. So maybe split it so the rider and the horse each need thirty days of training?

And you want to see a revolt try telling PvP'rs that limited time mount they just purchased isn't going to be ready for four months. To late to change the rules now. Having to train each mount would greatly cut into the amount of new mounts players would be willing to purchase.

wolf486 · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

wolf486 wrote: »

No, but I'd be ok if they allowed 2 upgrades a day for ESO+ members

Lol. Do you work for ZOS?

No, I just have no issue if they want to add small things to entice people into subbing

nnargun · December 2017

wolf486 wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

wolf486 wrote: »

No, but I'd be ok if they allowed 2 upgrades a day for ESO+ members

Lol. Do you work for ZOS?

No, I just have no issue if they want to add small things to entice people into subbing

How many "small" things until it's completely ridiculous to play without sub? I am a subscriber but I think what we get is pretty substantial already. The craftbag alome is worth it imo. No need to push that even further. If at all it should be granted to everybody.

speedy4 · December 2017

Would be nice if they were maxed in Cyrodiil as keeping up with high level players with maxed out mounts can be quite the challenge.

jssriot · December 2017

speedy4 wrote: »

Would be nice if they were maxed in Cyrodiil as keeping up with high level players with maxed out mounts can be quite the challenge.

I wouldn't mind a Cyro-only bonus for slower horses as that would improve game experience as this benefits the whole group. But otherwise, riding skills are conveniences and not necessary for gameplay. I don't see any need to change the current system just because people are lazy and whiny.

TheShadowScout · December 2017

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Should your highest mount speed, stamina, and storage apply to all toons?

Should your highest fighters/mages/undaunted/thieves/DB guild rank apply to all toons?
Should your highest skill advancement apply to all toons?
Should your highest crafting research apply to all toons?
Should your highest skyshard collection apply to all toons?
Should your highest alliance rank apply to all toons?
Should your highest quest completion log apply to all toons?
Should your highest level apply to all toons?
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No.
Oh, divines, NO!
...
Stop asking for even more account wide stuff!
We already got more then any other MMORPG I ever played with champion system, guild membership and bank!

And especially stop asking for something when it is that big a can of worms, with them selling crown riding lessons...

JamieAubrey · December 2017

F Yes 1 million times over

Will it ? NO F CHANCE, As long as Riding lessons are bring in money this aint going to change

Sheezabeast · December 2017

I don't agree with making it account wide, but I'm not against them lowering it from 60 to 30 so it goes by quicker.

Kiara · December 2017

It will stay this way... I say it as a person who has many underleveled alts in this game. And while it's annoying to level up horses on every alt, it won't change because ZOS implemented crown lessons. No matter what we vote or think (and this topic comes out frequently for a long time now) nothing will be done in this matter- it's their money we talk about after all

ADarklore · December 2017

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Most players will say YES... but ZOS never will... they make too much money from people buying upgrades from the Crown Store.

Yamakaziing · December 2017

I would just like to point out that I voted for 5% increase each day. I don't log in every day. So that means I'll have to spend money on mount lessons. Which doesn't bother me because I make enough to spare.. however... that's 10 Alts I have to do it for. That is 160 bucks per toon. For 13 alts that's like purchasing a new computer to me. That's more money than I'm willing to spend on a video game I already pay monthly to play and spend 150$+ per toon. after a long hard days work I'd like to make a new toon and quest fast with it. Zos can reduce the amount of time it takes to lvl up mount stats at least or 1000 crowns should double your lessons at 20 not just 10.

They can make the xtra money they don't receive from mount lessons somewhere else. and don't get me started on crown crates.. that crap is bogus. But that's for another thread. I'd like to buy my flame mount now. I don't want to spend $1000 for just a slight chance of getting enough crown gems to buy the mount.

Zos trying to bleed you dry of your hard earned money. Sorry zos.... but if I'm buying all those crowns spending thousands on your buggy game, I want more for my time and buck. Simple as that.

quote me on this and tell me your thoughts.

Insandros · December 2017

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Yeah, all your CP's are........ so why not your mount stuff ?!

You're totaly right.... they should allow CP to be effective only when your toon reaches 50, before that, no CPs :P

Yamakaziing · December 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

let mount speed be the same for all toons. But stamina and storage should remain the same. How about that?