Hollery wrote: »

Yes this again. Get rid of Negate and bubble as they don't have counter play in their current form. I'm totally ok with the concept of guards healing a player but bubble and negate is too much. It makes a skilled magicka player useless often times.

False.

• Guards don't heal players
• CC immunity works on the eclipse bubble
• you can use purge or mist form to clear the eclipse bubble
• Negate does have counterplay. It's not like it's attached to a magblade spamming lotus fan and fear on you, so just move out of it.

The current guard bubble is a huge improvement over previous patches.

Its duration is way shorter, and the reflect is at least mostly fixed (I haven't tested everything, nor do I honestly intend to). It's now reflecting Poison Injection and snipe, but not Concealed or Soul Harvest or Incap. It's still annoying, but it's much more equal across stamina and magicka than before.

Well, yes. Negate and Eclipse are particularly nasty for magicka players on resources. Its still possible to solo them (at least on the CP campaigns with a magsorc and a magDK, I have never tried on a No CP campaign or with magblades or magplars.)

Use your AoE skills preferably so the eclipse doesn't reflect anything back at you. I generally run into the tower and kill the guard and mage that follow me in. Go up and kill the tower mage. Then, go out and bomb the flag with lots of AoEs, maybe an ulti if you don't want to save it for players. Move out of any negates, but since you killed the tower mage you won't get too many. Do stay on top of your self-heals, but that's a given for any player.

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

They're easily countered. The only issue with pvp guards is some have an odd disorient that doesn't seem like any player skills.

Stuns and CC immunity is broken in general, so the guard versions are even more annoying.

idk wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Yes this again. Get rid of Negate and bubble as they don't have counter play in their current form. I'm totally ok with the concept of guards healing a player but bubble and negate is too much. It makes a skilled magicka player useless often times.

False.

• Guards don't heal players
• CC immunity works on the eclipse bubble
• you can use purge or mist form to clear the eclipse bubble
• Negate does have counterplay. It's not like it's attached to a magblade spamming lotus fan and fear on you, so just move out of it.

I'm not saying they do, I'm saying that would be preferable. Not everyone is a vampire and you shouldn't have to be a vampire to get the bubble off of you. Guards have the old version of bubble, not the present one

You did state they do not have a counter play and part of what Drummer stated is the counter play. In ahat it did not require being a vampire.

He did leave out breaking free does eliminate the bubble as well, which grants the CC immunity he mentioned. Break free is an ability everyone has all the time.

There was a period where I was really struggling to break free properly of the Eclipse bubble. Something to do with buggy stuns and CCs. While that was happening, I found that if I stopped doing whatever the bubble would reflect back on me and just self-healed for a bit, the bubble would wear off quickly and I could go on with the resource take. So even if you can't break free for whatever reason, getting Eclipsed shouldn't be something that is stopping your resource capture.

If it is, i recommend slowing down your take. Pay attention to your health, pay attention to what the Eclipse is reflecting back on you (My magDK and stam sorc can kill themselves with certain skills if I'm not paying attention), refresh your AOEs and ground-based skills which aren't impacted by the Eclipse. Sometimes, too much speed means you push yourself too much into the danger zone in an effort to bring down the NPCs more quickly when a slower, steadier approach would actually be easier.

I'm honestly glad that glitch with all guards, healing, using Magicka like guards using negate from none Magicka guards. All npc's including resource co-workers where using negate among other things. I remember everyone wasn't happy what the guards are doing. That they are not supposed to do. Luckily ZOS did fix that glitch though, after a while. But I don’t mind negate, 3 negates (Mostly 2) I do really mind. Stam Players have it easy.

zyk wrote: »

When I began PVPing around 1.3, it was normal for pug raids wipe to keep guards. I think this remained true until around 1.6, but I do not recall. Cyrodiil NPCs were much tougher than they are now. Even back in 2.1, I recall players would die to NPCs and that a large majority of players, seemingly, couldn't solo a resource.

If anything, I find guards are too easy in Cyrodiil.

With that said, Negate can be an unfair condition for magicka builds when fighting other players at objectives.

Agreed. If I can solo a resource.... yup too easy.

Hollery wrote: »

Yes this again. Get rid of Negate and bubble as they don't have counter play in their current form. I'm totally ok with the concept of guards healing a player but bubble and negate is too much. It makes a skilled magicka player useless often times.

Yes agreed , there is no stamina equivalent so it's a bit unfair, I'm all players having these abilities but not guards