Everybody is switching to console ( for eso )

Colecovision · December 2017

Gamepad is the poormans arcade stick when it comes to SF and MK.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2017

I often wonder if people get so het up/defensive about their fridge freezers/toasters with their neighbours as they do over these pieces of electrical equipment. It's almost as if your console or PC is an extension of your self worth. It's all bizarre af.

I can see why really young kids go ott about who has the best toys, the best dad and so on, as they have age as an excuse.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

I used to play on a X-Box. Then TES3: Morrowind GOY came out for PC and never looked back. That was 2004...

NA/PC population is doing great and I also have many new guildies who moved from consoles.
FYI... Steam is NOT a good gauge as it represents a small % of ESO player base. ESO wasn't even available on Steam till way after launch.
We also have to note that MMORPG's are fairly new to consoles. Every one grew up as a kid with consoles, but they were single player games. Comparing playing GTA to ESO is Apples and Oranges.

Keyboard vs, Controller.....Personal Preference...
I find using a controller slow and limiting. But then again I use this.....

I can weapon swap/dodge roll by moving mouse wheel left or right, and my key board has 78 presets, so yup, PC and K&M all the way for me....
Huzzah!

Lexxypwns · December 2017

There’s a whole lot less cheating on console.

When someone sustains a 3 minute fight against an assassins guile build using resource poisons back bar and they’re running under 2k regen and getting their heavy attacks blocked I just come back to xbox

nnargun · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I used to play on a X-Box. Then TES3: Morrowind GOY came out for PC and never looked back. That was 2004...

NA/PC population is doing great and I also have many new guildies who moved from consoles.
FYI... Steam is NOT a good gauge as it represents a small % of ESO player base. ESO wasn't even available on Steam till way after launch.
We also have to note that MMORPG's are fairly new to consoles. Every one grew up as a kid with consoles, but they were single player games. Comparing playing GTA to ESO is Apples and Oranges.

Keyboard vs, Controller.....Personal Preference...
I find using a controller slow and limiting. But then again I use this.....

I can weapon swap/dodge roll by moving mouse wheel left or right, and my key board has 78 presets, so yup, PC and K&M all the way for me....
Huzzah!

That gear looks pretty great actually. Definitely would give it a shot over my elite controller. But then again I wanna chill on my couch in front of my massive tv and not at my desk. ESO allows me to do this. FPS for instance don't.

Durham · December 2017

Umm I love my add ons... pop is not dying on PC it's healthy ...

MilwaukeeScott · December 2017

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

nnargun · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

Absolute numbers are not but trends should be.

Tactical32 · December 2017

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'm sure not. I never could get the hang of waving around a controller.

Why would you wave a controller around? Rage? Just easier to gorilla smash a keyboard?

Tactical32 · December 2017

CiliPadi wrote: »

Stay on PC. Lag so bad on the consoles.

If you're ISP is garbage, yes. Lol.

Otherwise, it's fine.

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Tactical32 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'm sure not. I never could get the hang of waving around a controller.

Why would you wave a controller around? Rage? Just easier to gorilla smash a keyboard?

Because I'm an old lady who cannot master the proper way to use one?

Because I used "humour" which apparently was missed and taken seriously?

Because I already answered this?

And in 50+ years of using a keyboard, I've never even had the urge to "gorilla smash" one.

The_Brosteen · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

Absolute numbers are not but trends should be.

Keyword is should. Does not mean that it is.

Although it definitely is likely.

Mangybeard · December 2017

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

No, it doesn't account for a variety of variables so it's not accurate. I'm not arguing math I'm arguing flawed logic. If you don't understand what makes a statistic accurate you shouldn't act like you do.

newtinmpls · December 2017

Foobiscuit11 wrote: »

even though it might seem less ergonomic to some, I've gotten around the controls being all over the place by having a Razr Naga mouse. Everything I need to do in combat is bound to one of the buttons on the side, so my left hand is for movement and the right hand is for combat.

Me too....now if only the left mouse button would quit wearing out so fast....

nnargun · December 2017

Mangybeard wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

No, it doesn't account for a variety of variables so it's not accurate. I'm not arguing math I'm arguing flawed logic. If you don't understand what makes a statistic accurate you shouldn't act like you do.

I think both of you don't have too much clue about "accurate" statistics. Demanding the entirety of the statistical population will negate the need for statistics. Steam charts are what we have to work with and they actually present a pretty big sample size. I don't see very many good reasons to believe that this sample behaves much differently than the entirety. Of course there are variables such as preferences of a certain type of player. For instance it could be that the steam user in general is rather a casual player than a hardcore/elite/whatever you wanna call it player and thus reacts less strong to big nerfs and such while they react stronger to things like new roleplaying/questing content. I don't think it plays too big of a role though and can't be proven anyways. Another thing could be steam specific player loss because they did something to upset the community or whatever. This should affect overall steam numbers though and not only ESO. So it would be distinguishable.
As long as there is no reason to believe that the steam user acts much differently than the non steam user the numbers should give a pretty good idea about player fluctuation. I wouldn't exactly call it accurate statistics because that would require non biased samples of a certain size but certainly a very good indicator for what's going on with the play base.

missjackieb14_ESO · December 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Is it me or are new players storming in from pc due to population dying there.

Is anybody planning on switching to console or is it just a few guilds doing it ? Also how is the population atm compared to console if you know

Yes, it is just you. After getting a gaming laptop, I sold all my consoles on eBay and never looked back (other than getting a Nintendo 3DS). Ew, why on earth would I want to go back to sub-par graphics?

Mangybeard · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

No, it doesn't account for a variety of variables so it's not accurate. I'm not arguing math I'm arguing flawed logic. If you don't understand what makes a statistic accurate you shouldn't act like you do.

I think both of you don't have too much clue about "accurate" statistics. Demanding the entirety of the statistical population will negate the need for statistics. Steam charts are what we have to work with and they actually present a pretty big sample size. I don't see very many good reasons to believe that this sample behaves much differently than the entirety. Of course there are variables such as preferences of a certain type of player. For instance it could be that the steam user in general is rather a casual player than a hardcore/elite/whatever you wanna call it player and thus reacts less strong to big nerfs and such while they react stronger to things like new roleplaying/questing content. I don't think it plays too big of a role though and can't be proven anyways. Another thing could be steam specific player loss because they did something to upset the community or whatever. This should affect overall steam numbers though and not only ESO. So it would be distinguishable.
As long as there is no reason to believe that the steam user acts much differently than the non steam user the numbers should give a pretty good idea about player fluctuation. I wouldn't exactly call it accurate statistics because that would require non biased samples of a certain size but certainly a very good indicator for what's going on with the play base.

That's reasonable but I simply doubt Steam is the go-to medium for ESO, it has it's own launcher and many people won't want to take the extra step in going through steam when they can just use the ESO launcher itself.

I agree Steam can be used to analyze trends, but actual player count requires more information for an informed opinion. For example; it's entirely possible steam could show 30k current players when the number is really 100k, the next week steam could show 20k players and that doesn't necessarily mean the whole has dropped by 30%. There could be 90k total that day, or 50k. It's not reliable.

Steam users are their own group and you can't just use them to make assumptions about the entire community. Statistics based on correlation are always flawed.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

No, it doesn't account for a variety of variables so it's not accurate. I'm not arguing math I'm arguing flawed logic. If you don't understand what makes a statistic accurate you shouldn't act like you do.

I think both of you don't have too much clue about "accurate" statistics. Demanding the entirety of the statistical population will negate the need for statistics. Steam charts are what we have to work with and they actually present a pretty big sample size. I don't see very many good reasons to believe that this sample behaves much differently than the entirety. Of course there are variables such as preferences of a certain type of player. For instance it could be that the steam user in general is rather a casual player than a hardcore/elite/whatever you wanna call it player and thus reacts less strong to big nerfs and such while they react stronger to things like new roleplaying/questing content. I don't think it plays too big of a role though and can't be proven anyways. Another thing could be steam specific player loss because they did something to upset the community or whatever. This should affect overall steam numbers though and not only ESO. So it would be distinguishable.
As long as there is no reason to believe that the steam user acts much differently than the non steam user the numbers should give a pretty good idea about player fluctuation. I wouldn't exactly call it accurate statistics because that would require non biased samples of a certain size but certainly a very good indicator for what's going on with the play base.

But we have to remember, ESO was 3 months old before it was available on Steam (July 2014). So you have the WHOLE launch community who don't / didn't use Steam. Myself included, so IMO, the Steam Statistics is not a complete or accurate source.

MilwaukeeScott · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

So the actual numbers could be quite larger. At least +1

nnargun · December 2017

Mangybeard wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

Steam charts are not an accurate representation. Why use steam or any drm if you don't have to?

You're grasping to prove a point that doesn't matter. Nice work.

ESO Database is a true and accurate account of active players.

Steam Charts is a true and accurate account of active players.

The numbers are accurate.

Argue with the math if you will.

No, it doesn't account for a variety of variables so it's not accurate. I'm not arguing math I'm arguing flawed logic. If you don't understand what makes a statistic accurate you shouldn't act like you do.

I think both of you don't have too much clue about "accurate" statistics. Demanding the entirety of the statistical population will negate the need for statistics. Steam charts are what we have to work with and they actually present a pretty big sample size. I don't see very many good reasons to believe that this sample behaves much differently than the entirety. Of course there are variables such as preferences of a certain type of player. For instance it could be that the steam user in general is rather a casual player than a hardcore/elite/whatever you wanna call it player and thus reacts less strong to big nerfs and such while they react stronger to things like new roleplaying/questing content. I don't think it plays too big of a role though and can't be proven anyways. Another thing could be steam specific player loss because they did something to upset the community or whatever. This should affect overall steam numbers though and not only ESO. So it would be distinguishable.
As long as there is no reason to believe that the steam user acts much differently than the non steam user the numbers should give a pretty good idea about player fluctuation. I wouldn't exactly call it accurate statistics because that would require non biased samples of a certain size but certainly a very good indicator for what's going on with the play base.

That's reasonable but I simply doubt Steam is the go-to medium for ESO, it has it's own launcher and many people won't want to take the extra step in going through steam when they can just use the ESO launcher itself.

I think most people who regularly use steam will also do so with ESO. It's kinda nice to have all your games, achievements, play times, and so on condensed there. People who merely use steam for steam only titles, like myself, probably rather won't use steam. But that's not the point. The point is that people who do use steam probably act about the same as people who don't use steam. It doesn't matter if it's the go-to medium or not unless it attracts a certain type of player.
The only really good reason I can think of why steam numbers might be biased is that the games there are rather expensive. People are more likely to by a cheap copy to test non-steam. And those people obviously also quit more often/quicker. But then I also heard games can be transferred from non-steam to steam. Not sure.

MissBizz · December 2017

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

So the actual numbers could be quite larger. At least +1

+Many...

I could rattle off at minimum 20 guildmates that purchased the game before it was even on steam.... And surely don't use esodatabase. Just from memory.

I often see it advised on the Reddit to not buy the game via steam, as there has been issues in the past.

@nnargun in order to actually make your account a steam account.. you need to buy another copy of the game (steam copy).

[Edit] oh yeah! Uhm. PC NA is doing fine. Don't see any mass exodus to console. If people have friends on a platform of course they're likely to change over, or if they prefer one platform over the other.

nnargun · December 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.

I uninstalled my ESO Data Base last year.
I never use Steam.
I am a active player.
I am a true and accurate number that is not in any of these.
No, those numbers are not accurate...

So the actual numbers could be quite larger. At least +1

@nnargun in order to actually make your account a steam account.. you need to buy another copy of the game (steam copy).

I'd actually expect a rather large bias then. Was a good discussion though

Edit: The more I think about it the less important I find the bias. It only promotes more sales on non-steam, but as I said before it doesn't really matter if it's 1:5 or 1:10 steam to non-steam sales as long as the sample size is big enough. And the players who buy a copy to test and then stop playing soon after don't really concern us as we never play with them anyways. They don't really affect the game.

f047ys3v3n · December 2017

Honestly, if I didn't loath the clunky controller and wasn't dead set against grinding CP again I would switch to the console. It is my understanding that cheat engine does not live there and it has become that big an issue on PC.

I agree with many others that account transfer should be possible. In order to prevent arbitrage trade (the reason they do not allow it is bots make everything much cheaper on PC) ZOS could but a timer on how often you can switch your account and also put a tarrif on your stuff every time you switch.

If they are going to use PC mostly as a test server and spend little resources on the problems unique to that medium (cheat engine and boting) I think they owe it to folks to give them an out whenever they want one on good terms.

Bryanonymous · December 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Honestly, if I didn't loath the clunky controller and wasn't dead set against grinding CP again I would switch to the console. It is my understanding that cheat engine does not live there and it has become that big an issue on PC.

I agree with many others that account transfer should be possible. In order to prevent arbitrage trade (the reason they do not allow it is bots make everything much cheaper on PC) ZOS could but a timer on how often you can switch your account and also put a tarrif on your stuff every time you switch.

If they are going to use PC mostly as a test server and spend little resources on the problems unique to that medium (cheat engine and boting) I think they owe it to folks to give them an out whenever they want one on good terms.

What are players using cheat engine to do exactly? I’m just curious how they are able to evade a ban.

nnargun · December 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Honestly, if I didn't loath the clunky controller and wasn't dead set against grinding CP again I would switch to the console. It is my understanding that cheat engine does not live there and it has become that big an issue on PC.

I agree with many others that account transfer should be possible. In order to prevent arbitrage trade (the reason they do not allow it is bots make everything much cheaper on PC) ZOS could but a timer on how often you can switch your account and also put a tarrif on your stuff every time you switch.

If they are going to use PC mostly as a test server and spend little resources on the problems unique to that medium (cheat engine and boting) I think they owe it to folks to give them an out whenever they want one on good terms.

I suppose you have never personally experienced the unbearable performance on console? It was bad enough for me to quit the game and start over fresh on PC a few months later.

SnubbS · December 2017

Xbox NA definitely the most populated. (I have an account on PC, and a 200~ on PS4) But overall the game is doing down. My PC acc is only 300ish cp, and has nothing really useful on it besides some outdated vma drops. I'd definitely love it if I could have my Xbox NA, 1100cp account. (with my 14 Max characters, a G.O. and other highish pvp ranks and all the gear and gold I could ever need) on PC. The gameplay is smoother, the lag is—there's lag, but a lot of the time what PC players call lag is what we'd call "Normal." You don't crash as much—everything is just better on than it is on Console apart from sheer population numbers.

You also get Miats—Miats is incredible—and other fun, useful and informative add-ons. Minimap, Big crown, logs. PC Eso is like driving a new Mercedes, and console ESO is like an 89' Civic that breaks down all the time.

That's probably a lot to do with there not being much competition for ESO on the console market. Will have to see what BDO does to it overall on console.

On second thought, every other PC player I talk to on PC complains about Cheat Engine. I'd rather fight nothing but Cheat Engine unkillable MagSorcs than hear one moron complain and try to start witch hunts against people. At least the people who complain about cheating on console get mocked/bullied into oblivion.

eso_lags · December 2017

If you are a pvp player, do not come to console. Do yourself a favor.

krachall · December 2017

ROFL! PC population dying?? Bwhahahaha. The pc servers are so crowded I’d suggest they split the server and make 2.

I’m currently going back and finishing all the delves for the pathfinder achievement and have yet to enter a delve with a living mob. Even the older zones and obscure delves in the remote corners are swarming with players.

Motherball · December 2017

Yeah most people enjoy paying another subscription on top of a subscription which requires an internet subscription.